PS4 OR Xbox One?

[GasparZizou]

Microsoft could be giving us a glimpse of the future, where software companies dictate system-wide policy to the chagrin of consumers. But just because that might happen doesn't make what Sony appears to be doing now any less appealing relative to Microsoft. Customers having more options and more freedom is simply going to be better than having less of those things, holding everything else constant.

Personally I don't think we're far off from all software moving away from physical discs, at which point (assuming the appropriate security is in place for these files) Microsoft's perspective of sharing games would seem much less controversial, and the internet connectivity issue should become a moot point. But we aren't there yet.

I don't think MS PoV about sharing games should ever stop being controversial, Steam i.e. it's all digital, yet, you don't lose freedom over your property.

I completely agree on the always online issue, we're getting there, but it also shouldn't be mandatory.

 

[user 1190]

Microsoft is putting up a good face on this whole, 'we aint worried' approach, but if/when the sales of Xbox One tank, they'll rethink strategy quickly

classic case of consumers voting with their wallets, and most aint buying what MS is selling at the moment.

Voting with wallets? How many PS4 have actually been sold? Guess what that number might shock you it's exactly the same as Xbox one.

Right no one is voting with there wallet, they are voting with the Internet and guess what that's worth nothing really.

 

[EXOTICLEX]

I voted with my wallet. And you don't have any idea what you are talking about. I traded in my 360 today at gamestop towards a Ps4 and they said I was the 4th person to do that today and that their PO #s for the PS4 are dwarfing the XBOX one.

 

[user 1190]

They keep sticking in hints that things might change in the future, giving themselves a way out.

And it's funny people assume Sony is doing the opposite as a last minute decision just to stick it to MS. Sony knew the DRM stuff would damage sales and be very unpopular with many people especially outside the US, and they couldn't afford to fall behind again. MS knows too, but they're counting on fans of Live to save them. Sony may flip in the future, but I'd rather focus on how people are being screwed over in the present.

I find it amusing that people think Sony was so anti DRM. So quickly we forget they were out patenting DRM software.

 

[user 1190]

I voted with my wallet. And you don't have any idea what you are talking about. I traded in my 360 today at gamestop towards a Ps4 and they said I was the 4th person to do that today and that their PO #s for the PS4 are dwarfing the XBOX one.

Wow so own a Ps4 wow that's amazing. You have a preorder and and credit for stuff uh traded it. Your wallet has done NOTHING until you actually are possession of it.

 

[GasparZizou]

Sony didn't apply such patents.

In a time when companies register everything from patents to the craziest web domains, that means nothing.

Srsly, defending DRM.

 

[Duck]

I find it amusing that people think Sony was so anti DRM. So quickly we forget they were out patenting DRM software.

I have no problem with DRM. I really don't. I have a **** ton of games on my steam and guess what steam is DRM. The problem I have is the fact that they are requiring internet to even play single player games. I don't even need internet for my PC to play singleplayer games on Steam. Its a bunch of bull**** and I really have no idea why anyone is actually defending it.

Wow so own a Ps4 wow that's amazing. You have a preorder and and credit for stuff uh traded it. Your wallet has done NOTHING until you actually are possession of it.

Man are you seriously that upset that the PS4 is the more popular console this time around? I mean holy **** anyone who mentions anything about the Ps4 you are all over it with a ****ty attitude. Get the **** over it. Ok I agree none of these have sold anything, but the preorders show that the Ps4 is doing better than the xbox. Plenty of Gamestops have confirmed that the Ps4 preorders are doing way better than the xbox. So even though they physically haven't been sold people are still out their putting 100 dollars down at gamestop so they can have one at launch. Mine is already paid for with the credit I had from their.

 

[user 1190]

Sony didn't apply such patents.

In a time when companies register everything from patents to the craziest web domains, that means nothing.

Srsly, defending DRM.

Guess what DRM only enforces what you have been legally agreeing to for years. So yeah I really don't have a problem with that.

 

[Mogli]

I find it amusing that people think Sony was so anti DRM. So quickly we forget they were out patenting DRM software.

In the case of the PS4, they were anti DRM, especially compared to MS. They knew it was a bad idea because it would hurt sales. You make it sound like the important thing is that Sony's morals deep down are just as bad as MS, and that is irrelevant, what matters are the policies they actually put in place.

 

[user 1190]

I have no problem with DRM. I really don't. I have a **** ton of games on my steam and guess what steam is DRM. The problem I have is the fact that they are requiring internet to even play single player games. I don't even need internet for my PC to play singleplayer games on Steam. Its a bunch of bull**** and I really have no idea why anyone is actually defending it.

I don't have stream and never seen how it works, so I ask you this question, can you take the game you got from stream and give it to someone else and let them play it on anther PC. My guess is no.

So that's where things differ and the need for the Internet check to enforce the DRM. There is no physical media to easily allow a game to change hands. I have said before if Microsoft had gone to a all digital delivery system I doubt the Internet check would be needed but then people would ***** about that instead.

 

[Mogli]

I don't think MS PoV about sharing games should ever stop being controversial, Steam i.e. it's all digital, yet, you don't lose freedom over your property.

I completely agree on the always online issue, we're getting there, but it also shouldn't be mandatory.

Yeah and I think Steam's model is fine so far, at least for PC. And they never require me to check into the Internet, I played games just fine when my connection was lost for days once. Just more proof MS is pushing things farther than they need to go, especially since many console owners avoid PC gaming because of the DRM.

 

[Mogli]

Microsoft could be giving us a glimpse of the future, where software companies dictate system-wide policy to the chagrin of consumers. But just because that might happen doesn't make what Sony appears to be doing now any less appealing relative to Microsoft. Customers having more options and more freedom is simply going to be better than having less of those things, holding everything else constant.

Personally I don't think we're far off from all software moving away from physical discs, at which point (assuming the appropriate security is in place for these files) Microsoft's perspective of sharing games would seem much less controversial, and the internet connectivity issue should become a moot point. But we aren't there yet.

I agree that in the future always on may not be much of an issue for many, but it would still seem wrong to have it be mandatory. I really do see your point though.

And I don't think MS should be banned from doing what they want or anything crazy like that, since we just have the simple choice of buying another console, but the way MS fans take that personally is confusing.

And I agree that giving a consumer many choices is great, after all when someone has too much control over one part of a market with no competition, they tend to make crappy products.

 

[Duck]

I don't have stream and never seen how it works, so I ask you this question, can you take the game you got from stream and give it to someone else and let them play it on anther PC. My guess is no.

So that's where things differ and the need for the Internet check to enforce the DRM. There is no physical media to easily allow a game to change hands. I have said before if Microsoft had gone to a all digital delivery system I doubt the Internet check would be needed but then people would ***** about that instead.

No you can't give your games to other people and thats fine, because Steam runs stupid insane deals that I have yet to pay full price for a PC game besides Blizzard games. So I have no problem with not being able to share my games and neither do most PC gamers. I have a few 30 dollar games, but the rest have all been 5-10 on sale games. You aren't paying full price for most PC games, but console games will still be at 40-50 dollars after a good while. The problem is consoles have always been known to be able to just plug in and play. That is why they are so much more popular when it comes to gaming and why people are *****ing so bad about the constant requirement of internet. People don't want to worry about oh **** I don't have internet so I can't sit here and play my single player only game. The difference? PC gamers I guarantee you have internet whereas console gamers aren't always that lucky. They are cutting a lot of people out of gaming because of the whole internet check.

Saw this article earlier today https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnga...-4-launch-edition-already-sold-out-at-amazon/

 

[Solarsailor]

So you think the internet check ins are made to advance infrastructure? Or do you admit it's because they want to restrict how we play and trade our games and try to counter piracy? And since you're not military, I'm confused why you think it being a non issue for you is relevant, because its a big issue to them in terms of gaming. If you're not the one being affected, obviously you're not included in the argument that MS is shutting people out for DRM.

Yes of course? Reading quotes from George Lucas/Steven Spielberg the prediction is for movie's to keep going up and up in price until it becomes a novelty. Why? Because of mass piracy and dwindling numbers. You're telling me all those guy's with PC's are all red roses? No piracy or hacking going on?! It's not just that either. If this is the way they see the technology going, who's to stop them? Just don't buy it if you don't want it. If you're not doing anything wrong there's nothing to worry about right?

I only brought up the military because you used it like some kind of slander against MS. I respect the military fully and the lives the save. Do I care that they can't play an X-box at dinner time? How stupid does that sound really. Why is it even a "thing". I can't play my X-box on my mine site on my 2 weeks shift, does that mean I should make a stand against MS too? It's a completely retarded and irrelevant subject.

You think maybe you can answer this yourself instead of letting someone else do it for you?

I'm not even sure what this means to be honest. I've made my points clear. I'm still not even siding with PS4 or MS either. I'm presenting the evidence and how it effects me.

Right now the DRM is not a big deal for me personally. If you can afford an XB1 there's a hella good chance you've got the internet.

 

[Duck]

Yes of course? Reading quotes from George Lucas/Steven Spielberg the prediction is for movie's to keep going up and up in price until it becomes a novelty. Why? Because of mass piracy and dwindling numbers. You're telling me all those guy's with PC's are all red roses? No piracy or hacking going on?! It's not just that either. If this is the way they see the technology going, who's to stop them? Just don't buy it if you don't want it.

I only brought up the military because you used it like some kind of slander against MS. I respect the military fully and the lives the save. Do I care that they can't play an X-box at dinner time? How stupid does that sound really. Why is it even a "thing". I can't play my X-box on my mine site on my 2 weeks shift, does that mean I should make a stand against MS too? It's a completely retarded and irrelevant subject.



I'm not even sure what this means to be honest. I've made my points clear. I'm still not even siding with either PS4 or MS either. I'm presenting the evidence and how it effects me.

Right now the DRM is not a big deal for me personally. If you can afford an XB1 there's a hella good chance you've got the internet.

Has to be one of the ****tiest answers I have ever heard. So only poor people don't have internet right?

 

[Snake Plissken]

Has to be one of the ****tiest answers I have ever heard. So only poor people don't have internet right?

Even people with the means may still have ****ty internet. Breaking it down to an income level is very snobbish. The argument is how idiotic it was to chose to have the internet check in. I don't have an internet issue, but after someone drops 500$ on a system they shouldn't still have to go through Microsoft to use the system daily.

 

[Solarsailor]

Has to be one of the ****tiest answers I have ever heard. So only poor people don't have internet right?

So get a PS4 then !!!! Why can't you people understand that this is what Microsoft are planning? They are trying to move the industry forward. You're not seeing the bigger picture. I'm open minded and you guy's are thinking of the next nit pick.

It's like a hivemind. Never was there more of a hiveminded mentality to something than the XB1 it seems.

Everything is "Oh the military" ...."Oh the poor people" Like the Playstation 4 is some kind of savior to humanity.

They are trying to build something better than just a gaming machine. It may fail spectacularly but at least they are thinking outside the box.

I bet your beloved Steam had problems. This is brand new tech , what's wrong with giving it a chance? How many people would buy a PC without the internet......?

 

[GasparZizou]

Guess what DRM only enforces what you have been legally agreeing to for years. So yeah I really don't have a problem with that.

*Sigh, ok, let me rephrase that and be more specific, since you're obviously incapable of reading in context:

"Srsly, defending Xbox one's DRM"

 

[GasparZizou]

Yeah and I think Steam's model is fine so far, at least for PC. And they never require me to check into the Internet, I played games just fine when my connection was lost for days once. Just more proof MS is pushing things farther than they need to go, especially since many console owners avoid PC gaming because of the DRM.

Exactly, and more importantly, when you don't check in for over 24hrs, your PC doesn't turn into a $500 paper weight.

 

[Duck]

So get a PS4 then !!!! Why can't you people understand that this is what Microsoft are planning? They are trying to move the industry forward. You're not seeing the bigger picture. I'm open minded and you guy's are thinking of the next nit pick.

It's like a hivemind. Never was there more of a hiveminded mentality to something than the XB1 it seems.

Everything is "Oh the military" ...."Oh the poor people" Like the Playstation 4 is some kind of savior to humanity.

They are trying to build something better than just a gaming machine. It may fail spectacularly but at least they are thinking outside the box.

I bet you're beloved Steam had problems. This is brand new tech , what's wrong with giving it a chance? How many people would buy a PC without the internet......?

I like how you just completely skip over the fact that you pretty much said only poor people don't have internet. Are you against the military or something?