Resin vs. Cloth - THE POLL! Marvel only.

[woodsy]

I love, and collect, Premium Format in many different licences, but I do not collect them in Marvel. In Marvel it's comiquettes only.....guys in fabric tights just doesn't work for me.

 

[ComputerFly]

PF is bigger, looks better and also cost more. Cloth all the way.

I probably should have read the directions better because I was thinking resin vs. cloth as a rule and voted cloth because I LOVE the Star Wars PFs. The Red Skull and Doom PFs just wouldn't be the same if they were 100% sculpted and they look awsome with cloth integrated.

However, if I knew it was just Marvel/comic based, I would have voted resin. I think cloth for the spandex costumes do not always come out right.

It's okay Kib, you're not the only one that can't read, lol!

The poll isn't the important part. To make people think about it, that's what counts. Thing is, as Greatwall so eloquently showed, sometimes it doesn't work. "PFs are better because they are bigger, and cost more" lol (even though I said that the piece would be exactly the same, with or without cloth).

 

[jstep13]

Do the full size heroes/villans wear cloth or resin?

When it comes down to it, Im all for authenticity as much as possible. I like the idea of having the superheroes and villans shrunk down to quarter size. I really like the uniqueness and look of PFs more than comiquettes...for the most part (there's always exceptions). I just think they are visually more interesting.

IMO cloth all they way....

 

[Darklord Dave]

Do we really need to dredge this up again? We know there are certain backwards thinking people that prefer fully sculpted. But everyone knows the true connoisseur appreciates the reality of mixed media.

 

[ComputerFly]

I voted resin.

From what I've seen on the forums, cloth 'issues' seem to be one of the main concerns brought up as a reason not to like a piece.

People have complained about:

Spidey PF - seams, blue fabric and red resin, etc
Cap PF - camel toe, cloth not being dark enough, spots on fabric.
Green Goblin - mismatched fabric colors
Wolverine - seams and piping
etc...

I don't think Marvel pieces are well suited to fabric.

When Sideshow does movie (LotR, Star Wars, etc) characters, they can actually see what the end result should look like since there were actually REAL costumes created for the characters. Also, fabric works perfectly for movie characters because the costumes are more complex, multi-layered, multi-fabric arrangements, when compared to Marvel's supposedly skin tight suits.

It's the attempt to make a 'skin tight' outfit that kind of ruins the Marvel PF for me. Each time they attempt it, it ends up looking like stretched t-shirt material.

For anyone who purchased the Venom comiquette, could you imagine them reaching that level of incredible detail while trying to cover it in cloth? He would look like "The Gimp" from Pulp Fiction IMO.

I think the pieces are turning out 'lesser' than they could be. Sure, I'm as happy as the next guy to be getting 1/4 scale Marvel pieces. But after seeing some of the amazing sculpting work done by the Gore Group, I feel strongly that the cloth is limiting the sculptors and their ability to make the pieces we are paying top dollar for, their absolute best.

Let me give you an example. I'm not sure how many saw the Spidey Comiquette before the cloth was applied,

but I'm betting if this piece would have been fully sculpted, it would have been MUCH more widely accepted. The cloth covers up all of the great sculpted detail. In fact, I think it would have been a very difficult statue to top, as far as Spidey's go.

Same with Andy B's Hulk:

It's the same with Cap, Wolvie and Sabretooth. Those guys should be 'ripped', but the fabric covers it all up. Some might say "But Fly, the cloth is more realistic." That argument might work for movie fans, but it doesn't work for comic book fans. We don't want reality, we want the uber-detailed stuff we see in the books. Hot comic book artist aren't hot because they draw 'reality'. It's that over the top, insane detailing that draws comic fans by the droves.

Another problem with fabric is the color. When a factory is painting a statue, they can create whatever colors they like, and achieve the perfect shade for the character. With fabric, they are basically buying the closest match they can find. And, as mentioned in the Sabretooth thread, when a single piece of fabric has to 'change colors' (Cap's midsection, Sabre's leggings) the color is 'light' because the fabric is being stretched and the color is being separated, which in turn makes it look washed out.

Another might say "Fly, Sideshow makes both, why worry?" Well, they may or may not make a 1/4 scale comiquette version of each character they make in PF form. Another point is that I've noticed that sculptors, in general, try not to duplicate their work, or any other sculptors' work, in any form or fashion. I think it is basically a 'that's been done, I need to be original' type of thought process. I understand that. So, let's say you absolutely love the Cap PF. You think that the pose on that piece is the end all, be all of 'perfect' Cap, but you reeaaaaly dislike the cloth. Guess what, you're probably not going to see that same pose in the future comiquette.

I guess the point behind this rant is, I think Sideshow is leaving something on the table everytime they apply cloth to a Marvel piece. A) We don't get the full dynamics of what the piece could have been, and B) The pose they used is 'spent' meaning we possibly will have to settle for a lesser comiquette.

Again, my thoughts only apply to MARVEL pieces. I wouldn't trade some of my other PFs for anything sculpted. I do love fabric, but I feel it doesn't belong on Marvel statues.

 

[ComputerFly]

Do we really need to dredge this up again? We know there are certain backwards thinking people that prefer fully sculpted. But everyone knows the true connoisseur appreciates the reality of mixed media.

Sorry Dave, lemme get back to the status quo.... PASS FAIL PASS PASS EPIC WRITE THAT DOWN EXCL OR FAIL CACA SMALL IN THE PANTS

 

[Shai]

Do we really need to dredge this up again? We know there are certain backwards thinking people that prefer fully sculpted. But everyone knows the true connoisseur appreciates the reality of mixed media.

What an elitist thing to say...

 

[ecekat]

sculpted ftw!!!!

 

[karamazov80]

I like cloth where appropriate. Characters like Iron Man or Venom shouldn't have it, because they don't wear any "clothing," but I do like the look on figures like Cap, Red Skull, and Hulk personally.

 

[Hulksmashed]

If cloth is done right and used in the right areas of the statue it wins every time. Look at Hulk PF. Would he look better if his pants were sculpted??

 

[Hulksmashed]

Same with Andy B's Hulk:

Wow, strongly disagree on that one!!

 

[LoneWolf]

Sculpted

 

[The Mike]

Personally I think that Sideshow should always use Mixed Media. Its what sets them apart from the other licensees. People always assume that Premium Format equals Cloth but according to Sideshow's known definition it just equals "Mixed Media". I would have loved to have seen them use actual metal pieces on an Iron Man mixed with Polystone. To use something like liquid latex to coat over the Polystone to create an alien looking material for Venom. I actually don't mind the look of the cloth, seams and all...There are a ton of licensees that fully sculpt their pieces: Bowen, Diamond, Art Asylum did, Koto, the list goes on and on. Realistically if you want it sculpted from Sideshow you just want something that big is all. The Hulk, Thing, Captain America these are all works of art, I've seen custom 1:4 Hulks, I've seen a PF with sculpted pants added and while they look great they lose their uniqueness. There are ways to achieve the looks we want and still keep them mixed and remember that they are "Heroes in Tights" or "Heroes in Spandex" from the comic pages themselves. Honestly I hope they never change it.

 

[nash]

leave the cloth for dolls.

 

[Hulksmashed]

leave the cloth for dolls.

TONNER FOR THE WIN!!

 

[wolvie9]

Cloth is cool depending on the character

 

[Chapter 2099]

Sorry Dave, lemme get back to the status quo.... PASS FAIL PASS PASS EPIC WRITE THAT DOWN EXCL OR FAIL CACA SMALL IN THE PANTS

That about sums it up.

 

[DarkDaysinVegas]

I like both depending on the license.....but

With cloth you lose most, if not all of the shading.

So I vote "RESIN" especially when it comes to superheroes for sure.

Only 1/4 scale MARVEL comiquettes for me please.

 

[jbinny]

Sorry Dave, lemme get back to the status quo.... PASS FAIL PASS PASS EPIC WRITE THAT DOWN EXCL OR FAIL CACA SMALL IN THE PANTS

Holy ____... sad, but all too true.

 

[ecekat]

i was considering that a premium format is sculpted also...i like resin definately,but dont you agree that the premium format are more real than the comiquettes???