Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*

[rivera2171]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

In a day and age when information is tailored to an individuals ideology, so that little can penetrate their own personal belief bubble, is it any wonder that people become hostile when presented with different opinions in their entertainment? People have grown more and more resistant to any contrary point of view and become so incensed at the slightest challenge. We are in an age of stilted intellectualism, we have unprecedented access to information, yet brains are turning to mush. People deny science when it contradicts what they wish to believe, because our egos have been massaged to the point that we have the temperament of little children. When was the last time in history society was like this? Reminds me of the struggles that faced Aristotle, Copernicus and Galileo.

So if people are hostile to science with contrarian views, of course their baby brains will be upset when faced with art that isnt tailored to their particular opinions. What happened to seeking out intellectual and ideological challenges in order to grow? Society makes me sick. I pray the day never comes when our art is also tailored to fit each individuals narrow viewpoint.

Wow, nice work! That is professor grade stuff right there.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

In a day and age when information is tailored to an individuals ideology, so that little can penetrate their own personal belief bubble, is it any wonder that people become hostile when presented with different opinions in their entertainment? People have grown more and more resistant to any contrary point of view and become so incensed at the slightest challenge. We are in an age of stilted intellectualism, we have unprecedented access to information, yet brains are turning to mush. People deny science when it contradicts what they wish to believe, because our egos have been massaged to the point that we have the temperament of little children. When was the last time in history society was like this? Reminds me of the struggles that faced Aristotle, Copernicus and Galileo.

So if people are hostile to science with contrarian views, of course their baby brains will be upset when faced with art that isnt tailored to their particular opinions. What happened to seeking out intellectual and ideological challenges in order to grow? Society makes me sick. I pray the day never comes when our art is also tailored to fit each individuals narrow viewpoint.

I like this post!

 

[DiFabio]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

So if people are hostile to science with contrarian views, of course their baby brains will be upset when faced with art that isnt tailored to their particular opinions. What happened to seeking out intellectual and ideological challenges in order to grow? Society makes me sick. I pray the day never comes when our art is also tailored to fit each individuals narrow viewpoint.

Well they're not going to find enlightenment or challenge themselves intellectually by going to see the same Disney propaganda piece that is created by people who are in the business of subverting the masses with messages on how they should feel and think.

I think it's refreshing that people are actually questioning the integrity of this stuff and seeing it for what it is. You know, instead of just going with it like a bunch of sheep. Which group is more enlightened, the faction of fans that just want to shut people up so they can unabashedly love everything about a product (not excluding the action figures, posters, clothes and memorabilia they have been indoctrinated into buying year after year along with the movie itself) or the ones that see and ponder what's going on behind the screen and question it? Kinda hard not to assume that the former group isn't the one with baby brains when they act oblivious to what's going on while screaming, "just let me have my fun!!! XD" They completely ignore the intentions of the movie as long as they get their lightsaber battles, dog fights and pew pew battles, which you can easily get out of any of the 7 Star Wars movies or the hundreds of Star Wars video games.

What artistic and challenging messages have these movies presented that hasn't been done in the past decade? From politics to entertainment people have been hit over the head that the white man is evil and women are the strongest leaders that your token "brown" people should rally behind. Both sides get it already. Force Awakens and Rogue One have given us a strong, brave, female character that leads her multi-cultural friends and companions against the evil, white supremacist organization known as the Empire/First Order. Episode 8 will be more of the same, and, judging by the Han Solo movie (they just cast Emilia Clarke, the third English actress to be a lead character in Star Wars), we'll be getting it again and again and again for years to come.

These two latest Star Wars movies aren't challenging anything, not when their ideas are the status quo (for now).










And they'll never hire writers or artists that go against these views, because again, they're a huge organization that has a conglamorate on all entertainment.

 

[pixletwin]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

Bravo. Very well said. Timely said, too.

 

[pixletwin]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

You slipped your post in there while I was posting, you sly dog.

 

[DiFabio]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

You slipped your post in there while I was posting, you sly dog.

Also, is it just my phone or are the emojis on here not showing up for anyone else?

 

[GasparZizou]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

What DiFabio said.

In a day and age when information is tailored to an individuals ideology, so that little can penetrate their own personal belief bubble, is it any wonder that people become hostile when presented with different opinions in their entertainment? People have grown more and more resistant to any contrary point of view and become so incensed at the slightest challenge. We are in an age of stilted intellectualism, we have unprecedented access to information, yet brains are turning to mush. People deny science when it contradicts what they wish to believe, because our egos have been massaged to the point that we have the temperament of little children. When was the last time in history society was like this? Reminds me of the struggles that faced Aristotle, Copernicus and Galileo.

So if people are hostile to science with contrarian views, of course their baby brains will be upset when faced with art that isnt tailored to their particular opinions. What happened to seeking out intellectual and ideological challenges in order to grow? Society makes me sick. I pray the day never comes when our art is also tailored to fit each individuals narrow viewpoint.

But this is incorrect.

It's not about being "challenged" with "different opinions" what people dislike about these agendas, because they aren't being challenged, these movies are not trying to teach you anything nor to plant a seed of curiosity for you to expand your mind, it's none of that.

For starters, these movies take as banners these socio political issues to create buzz for the movie, controversy is good, now, and then, they don't actually DISCUSS these topics in the movie, it's always a case of the Gurlbusters, a revenge fantasy to whoever these SJW idealize as their enemy; whoever disagrees with them. It's an echo chamber, not a dialogue with these people.

Now if this was it, and the movies didn't suffer for it, there wouldn't be a problem, but it is well known that using these channels to spread their message usually ends wit the the channel being used as "propaganda" (I use the word lightly), instead of ART, and then we have movies like Gurlbusters.

If you're gonna argue that people react in hostility to challenge or to pop culture trying to teach them something, movies like Gurlbusters or Rogue One are not the case, there are far better examples like BvS, the Matrix sequels, or Interstellar.

It's not that get we offended as Jye implies, it's that we know when this ******** is injected into movies, movies suffer.

Again, there's a reason why nobody hates Ripley or Sarah Connor.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

What artistic and challenging messages have these movies presented that hasn't been done in the past decade? From politics to entertainment people have been hit over the head that the white man is evil and women are the strongest leaders that your token "brown" people should rally behind. Both sides get it already. Force Awakens and Rogue One have given us a strong, brave, female character that leads her multi-cultural friends and companions against the evil, white supremacist organization known as the Empire/First Order. Episode 8 will be more of the same, and, judging by the Han Solo movie (they just cast Emilia Clarke, the third English actress to be a lead character in Star Wars), we'll be getting it again and again and again for years to come.

These two latest Star Wars movies aren't challenging anything, not when their ideas are the status quo (for now).

They are just copying Hunger Games. The SW villains were always Nazi rip-offs, but Hunger Games took that concept and added a "strong" female lead who leads a multicultural cast against the evil white Nazis. Now Disney is using that premise.

 

[GasparZizou]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

Even the hunger games did it better.

At least in the first 2 movies. Haven't seen the other 2.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

Even the hunger games did it better.

At least in the first 2 movies. Haven't seen the other 2.

I guess, it's the original

Some people on SSF said I was wrong when I said Disney was going to copy Hunger games with TFA and the upcoming SW films. I'm glad the agenda is out in the open now.

 

[GasparZizou]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

I guess, it's the original

Some people on SSF said I was wrong when I said Disney was going to copy Hunger games with TFA and the upcoming SW films. I'm glad the agenda is out in the open now.

Well you were right we all have our moments of Nostradamus.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

Raiders has a strong white woman who punches white and brown men lol.

 

[cerealkeller]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

I get to a point where I just stop worrying or caring about whatever social lecturing pandering punishment agenda engineering the movie is being made with and I just make the simple decision to either see it or not and then go ahead and judge the movie for what it is if I do see it.

Probably all of my favorite movies were created with either left or right leaning ideologies and i'm glad that I didn't refuse to experience them because I didn't agree with their agenda.

Movies are not created in an emotionless vacuum, it is inevitable that the living beings creating them are going to project their personalities and agendas into them.

Yes i'm aware that this movie is leaning heavy left into SJW territory with its pro feminism-pro immigration anti evil white men agenda but whatever i'm still going opening night with an open mind to experience not only a new SW movie but also a new type of SW movie ontop of that, how can I not go see that, it's history being made within the established universe.

I'm not going to allow politics to control who I am as a person, my skin is way too thick to be offended by every little opinion or lecture from either side of the arguments.

Just because the country is split 50/50 does it mean I need to limit my life experiences to just 50%.

Sorry for the long quote but this!!!! Well said and exactly how I feel. I can ignore agendas because as long as I enjoy the movie I am fine with it. Any art is created by people with political views and that is fine. As long as the story is good and the characters are well realized I'm pretty forgiving



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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

Well you were right we all have our moments of Nostradamus.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

Raiders has a strong white woman who punches white and brown men lol.

Raiders fails the Bechdel test

 

[GasparZizou]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

As long as the story is good and the characters are well realized

If only!

 

[rushmore223]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

Well they're not going to find enlightenment or challenge themselves intellectually by going to see the same Disney propaganda piece that is created by people who are in the business of subverting the masses with messages on how they should feel and think.

I think it's refreshing that people are actually questioning the integrity of this stuff and seeing it for what it is. You know, instead of just going with it like a bunch of sheep. Which group is more enlightened, the faction of fans that just want to shut people up so they can unabashedly love everything about a product (not excluding the action figures, posters, clothes and memorabilia they have been indoctrinated into buying year after year along with the movie itself) or the ones that see and ponder what's going on behind the screen and question it? Kinda hard not to assume that the former group isn't the one with baby brains when they act oblivious to what's going on while screaming, "just let me have my fun!!! XD" They completely ignore the intentions of the movie as long as they get their lightsaber battles, dog fights and pew pew battles, which you can easily get out of any of the 7 Star Wars movies or the hundreds of Star Wars video games.

What artistic and challenging messages have these movies presented that hasn't been done in the past decade? From politics to entertainment people have been hit over the head that the white man is evil and women are the strongest leaders that your token "brown" people should rally behind. Both sides get it already. Force Awakens and Rogue One have given us a strong, brave, female character that leads her multi-cultural friends and companions against the evil, white supremacist organization known as the Empire/First Order. Episode 8 will be more of the same, and, judging by the Han Solo movie (they just cast Emilia Clarke, the third English actress to be a lead character in Star Wars), we'll be getting it again and again and again for years to come.

These two latest Star Wars movies aren't challenging anything, not when their ideas are the status quo (for now).


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And they'll never hire writers or artists that go against these views, because again, they're a huge organization that has a conglamorate on all entertainment.

I don't have time to respond to everything, cause I'm heading out for the day, but I'll just say this...

I'm not saying star wars is necessarily high art, I'm talking in more general terms. And of course, questioning things is always good, in my opinion at least. But getting upset because a political view in a fairy tale is different than your own is absurd and closed minded. I never boycotted Scwarzennegger films because his views and those on display in some of his movies were contrary to my own, and it would be silly to do so, at the Endor the day it's ntertainment.

If Star Wars isn't your thing, that's fine, but it's a waste of time to get upset over a perceived message. A message that I think is being focused on in hindsight to take advantage of the current political climate. This movie was written some time ago, before most even thought a certain person was even a legitimate political player.

Whether you think this is Propaganda (it isn't, but the promotion might be) or not, Propaganda is actually considered an art form, the Art of Persuasion.

Sorry I can't discuss further, I have to join the other sheep and get ome Christmas shopping done.

 

[DiFabio]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

at the Endor the day it's entertainment.

Sorry I can't discuss further, I have to join the other sheep and get ome Christmas shopping done.

Have fun! Star Wars action figures and roleplaying toys are buy one get one 20% off Saturday and Sunday only!

 

[Darkseed]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

I get to a point where I just stop worrying or caring about whatever social lecturing pandering punishment agenda engineering the movie is being made with and I just make the simple decision to either see it or not and then go ahead and judge the movie for what it is if I do see it.

Probably all of my favorite movies were created with either left or right leaning ideologies and i'm glad that I didn't refuse to experience them because I didn't agree with their agenda.

Movies are not created in an emotionless vacuum, it is inevitable that the living beings creating them are going to project their personalities and agendas into them.

Yes i'm aware that this movie is leaning heavy left into SJW territory with its pro feminism-pro immigration anti evil white men agenda but whatever i'm still going opening night with an open mind to experience not only a new SW movie but also a new type of SW movie ontop of that, how can I not go see that, it's history being made within the established universe.

I'm not going to allow politics to control who I am as a person, my skin is way too thick to be offended by every little opinion or lecture from either side of the arguments.

Just because the country is split 50/50 does it mean I need to limit my life experiences to just 50%.

I agree with this guy. Clearly understand what is being "pushed" in the movie(s) but it doesn't matter. My passions lie elsewhere than an agenda being pushed by Hollywierd or Disney. Without concern or care about their agenda, I can view this as a movie not propaganda. I'll judge it on the same criteria as a film not a message being delivered.

 

[GasparZizou]

Re: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16)

But getting upset because a political view in a fairy tale is different than your own is absurd and closed minded.

If Star Wars isn't your thing, that's fine, but it's a waste of time to get upset over a perceived message. A message that I think is being focused on in hindsight to take advantage of the current political climate. This movie was written some time ago,

Whether you think this is Propaganda (it isn't, but the promotion might be)

It's like DiFabio didn't say anything

Propaganda is actually considered an art form, the Art of Persuasion.

This is true, if only there was anything artistic about this.

I agree with this guy. Clearly understand what is being "pushed" in the movie(s) but it doesn't matter. My passions lie elsewhere than an agenda being pushed by Hollywierd or Disney.

This is a stance I can respect, along with Jye's.