Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*

[jye4ever]

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Damn there is no arguing out of the case DiFabio just made, fold it up boys.

 

[DiFabio]

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To be fair, Vader looks like a weird hunchback in his first scene in Rogue One. Looks like Quasimodo in football gear. I'd go as far as saying Hayden looked better in the suit at the end of ROTS (until they had him stumble and tell "nooooooo").

He's awesome looking at the end though hacking up the rebels, but lets face it, the lights are off and it the focus is on lightsabers and strangling fools. Coulda been a CGI Vader for all I know.

 

[SithThundercracker]

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To be fair, Vader looks like a weird hunchback in his first scene in Rogue One. Looks like Quasimodo in football gear.

I concur. Everything was wrong in that scene...not sure if the costume was crap or just assembled (very) badly.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

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Look at him tapping his fingers onto his chest like a goof and ceasing his actions because "it's what the Emperor commands".

So all anyone has to do is say the Emperor's ok with it and they can own Vader

"Hey Egghead, bring me some coffee before you take a bath in your little test tube thingy!"

*begins to choke*

"It's th..the emp..error's command!"

Vader - "Ok..." ; _ ;

In all seriousness though, I've never seen that deleted scene. I wonder how much of Vader's mannerisms were Prowse's idea and how much was it the director's telling him what to do? Even in that scene, he feels like Vader, even if he's just waiting and tapping his fingers on his chest. Also, I wonder if his line delivery in any way influenced JEJ?

 

[a-dev]

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I like Luke and the Emperor, I think the Throne Room is one of the best scenes in the movie!

But Vader (along with Harrison Ford, the ewoks, the Leia is my sister revelation, the lighting and shot composition), sucks. A-dev, I know you've mentioned problems with his redemption and how he's pretty unredeemable and I agree. It's not because of his actions in the prequels though. Just disregarding them, Vader is a piece of crap. No, not because of ANH or Empire, but because of Jedi. He could have defected on Endor if his son, his blood, meant that much to him. But he doesn't. He brings Luke up to the Emperor and is completely fine with his son killing him and taking his place as the Emperor's **** boy. Even goads Luke by suggesting his sister take his place if he doesn't turn.

The whole "I sense good in you" thing is lame. What "good" is there in him? Vader clearly believes in the Force, the Dark Side and the Empire and is convinced that is the right path. Vader doesn't consider himself a bad guy, it's clear in ANH and even Rogue One. He's not enthusiastic about the Death Star, he's not about destroying millions of lives and respects the Force just as much as Yoda or the blind dude in Rogue One. He even considers overthrowing the Emperor. Then by Jedi, all of the that is thrown out of the window and suddenly he's just a slave. "There's no hope for me Luke", "Obi-Wan once thought as you do Luke", "you don't know the power of the dark side Luke, I have to obey my master". He never makes a compelling argument why Luke should turn, he just acts like a victim who has no choice. It's pretty bad. He's "redeemed" because suddenly he decides to make the most obvious choice he should have done earlier? I don't think so. Once you take into account betraying his friends, killing all the Jedi, children, torturing Leia, torturing Han, beating his son to a pulp and lobbing off his hand, etc. he shouldn't get to become a cheesy, grinning Force ghost.

Even in Episode III he isn't that pathetic. Palpatine is a means to an end and he even considers overthrowing him before he fights Obi-Wan.

Great posts which warrant an in depth reply that I cannot give at this time. Meditate on this I will.

 

[DiFabio]

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I think we've all been there.

Around the holidays sometimes I'm just chilling and don't have any clothes or pants on, then company comes over without calling and I have to throw everything on. Sometimes my pants are on backwards, sometimes my shirt is only halfway on, sometimes my **** is hanging out. You just never know!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

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[a-dev]

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I think we've all been there.

Around the holidays sometimes I'm just chilling and don't have any clothes or pants on, then company comes over without calling and I have to throw everything on. Sometimes my pants are on backwards, sometimes my shirt is only halfway on, sometimes my **** is hanging out. You just never know!

I bet Vader had just gotten into that bacta bath. No wonder he was in the mood for choking Krennic.

 

[jye4ever]

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Great posts which warrant an in depth reply that I cannot give at this time. Meditate on this I will.

This was me

 

[DiFabio]

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Not to mention Vader doesn't have any arms or legs. Probably takes a couple of hours to get ready considering he destroyed all his helper droids in Episode III and he has a decrepit, old man servant who is probably riddled with arthritis.

Then again, I doubt he gets too many guests over at his house. Poor guy. I wonder what he does when his butler isn't around and UPS, Fed Ex, or Pizza Hutt rings the door bell.

 

[a-dev]

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Good as his posts were I'm not willing to write off ROTJ Vader just yet. I'm sure there's a rationale I could think of but I can only afford short posts at the moment. Trying to compose a long one would make me want to force choke everyone and throw them against walls until they died.

 

[Rorywan]

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Why did bail organs look 10 years older but Obi wan turned into ancient Alec Guinness?

 

[a-dev]

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Why did bail organs look 10 years older but Obi wan turned into ancient Alec Guinness?

Yep. And young(er) Han is going to be a completely different actor who somehow morphs into Harrison Ford in ANH. I've still got a very bad feeling about that film....

 

[abake]

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Hope you kidding. That skinny dwarf was already ridiculous in ROTS.

Nah, Hayden got the Vader moves nailed.
This dude had no idea what the hell he was doing.

 

[DiFabio]

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Why did bail organs look 10 years older but Obi wan turned into ancient Alec Guinness?

That's a story . . . for another time. We'll find out in Disney's Kenobi: A Star Wars Story.

I think Obi-Wan probably spent too much time at the cantina, not to mention living on a desert planet for two decades. Not many people know this, but Luke was only 9 years old at the time of ANH! He aged like milk.


Speaking of milk,






Yikes.


Jar Jar was right when he said the Tatoonie sun does murder to mesa yousas skin.

 

[DiFabio]

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Good as his posts were I'm not willing to write off ROTJ Vader just yet. I'm sure there's a rationale I could think of but I can only afford short posts at the moment. Trying to compose a long one would make me want to force choke everyone and throw them against walls until they died.

You will try . . .

 

[abake]

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I agree. 2 things I would have changed/added to round things out.

1. Since Leia was a member of the imperial senate, I would have shown her in that arena and receiving a message about the battle taking place. She then hops on her ship and flies by the perimeter of the battle, has the plans "beamed aboard" and takes off. Several other things would have to change, like c3po and r2 as well as Antillies, but I think it would have worked better. Vader could still have been in it at the end, just he would have been making his way to the bridge to stop the transmission.

2. I would have fleshed out the flashback scene of Galen's early years in the Empire. Have him directly or secretively learn of the true purpose of the station. Perhaps during drunken banter, one of the high ranking officers lets it slip, then the camera zooms in on Galen's "Oh crap what have I done" face. After all, in the beginning all the scientists thought they were building a mining machine that drilled into a planet surface (taken from the Tarkin novel). As is the movie just shows everyone knowingly and willingly building a planet killing weapon. This would also explain why Galen had a change of heart and left in the first place. Why even start the project if you know what the outcome is?

Agreed on this.
It would've been more compelling to see how this confident, ambitious young scientist realizes that the Empire he works for is evil. I mean, his daughter has a Stormtrooper doll! This is Tom Cruise in Valkyrie material.
But maybe that could be stuff for another movie.

 

[a-dev]

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You will try . . .

We know how that fight ended!

 

[Kamandi]

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How is Luke 9 years old?

 

[SithThundercracker]

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Aging gap was Lucas mistake, not these guys'.