My fav moment -- its so brutal yet totally underplayed.
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My fav moment -- its so brutal yet totally underplayed.
jye4ever
Broke and happy
You're right, the underplayed part is what made it perfect.
I have to say, for the most part I really enjoyed this, but I'm pretty easygoing when it comes to movies. My only real nitpick is I still have no idea why blindguy was in it. The movie stands quite well if you take him out, and loses nothing. Apart from pulling a vital lever, which could have been done by any random heroic sacrifice dude. Overall, it fleshed out the bones of the rebellion, and made it more multi-facted. They weren't total cosmic good guys, like all wars, there was a fair bit of brutality and cold-bloodedness, and also fear about going up against an insanely well armed force.
I thought the Peter Cushing was very well done. We haven't quite crested the uncanny valley yet, but there were a couple of moments when I forgot PC's been dead for 22 years. And I loved hearing "you may fire when ready" once again. Always my favourite line in all the SW films. Just so chillingly calm as he's about to destroy a whole frigging planet. Like he's ordering breakfast. "Eggs over easy".
Vader... damn. Nice to see the swordplay like it was done in ANH. Slow, methodical, and deadly. None of this jumping around acrobatic crap.
The big space battle... damn, I caught myself smiling like an excited 10 year old. Worth the price of admission alone.
It's pretty obvious that Gareth Edwards is a fan of the franchise, and not only that, he was respectful towards it, with all the cheesy 70s graphics, and push buttons everywhere. Overall, I think he should be pretty proud of what he's done.
Should be no surprise, MM is a phenomenal actor, as are most of the main cast. Ben mendelsohn's been around mostly in Australia for years, and has an impressive body of work. I recommend him in Animal Kingdom.
Nah, it's because the PT is for the most part phenomenally poor.
I thought the Peter Cushing was very well done. We haven't quite crested the uncanny valley yet, but there were a couple of moments when I forgot PC's been dead for 22 years. And I loved hearing "you may fire when ready" once again. Always my favourite line in all the SW films. Just so chillingly calm as he's about to destroy a whole frigging planet. Like he's ordering breakfast. "Eggs over easy".
Vader... damn. Nice to see the swordplay like it was done in ANH. Slow, methodical, and deadly. None of this jumping around acrobatic crap.
The big space battle... damn, I caught myself smiling like an excited 10 year old. Worth the price of admission alone.
It's pretty obvious that Gareth Edwards is a fan of the franchise, and not only that, he was respectful towards it, with all the cheesy 70s graphics, and push buttons everywhere. Overall, I think he should be pretty proud of what he's done.
Should be no surprise, MM is a phenomenal actor, as are most of the main cast. Ben mendelsohn's been around mostly in Australia for years, and has an impressive body of work. I recommend him in Animal Kingdom.
Nah, it's because the PT is for the most part phenomenally poor.
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Nope.
PT bashing is a massive internet bandwagon that didn't exist ten years ago.
I watched all the prequels opening night. People cheered constantly throughout all of them. This "I hate the prequels" rhetoric is a product of contemporary internet bandwagoning (as is the "TFA is a remake of ANH and therefore sucks" crap and the "ROTJ was terrible" bollocks).
The prequels are far from perfect but the opinion in question here is nonsense.
Here's another nonsensical bandwagon opinion: the notion that RO is a better film than TFA. But that's the internet for you. A film where the third act was completely rewritten, who's characters are incredibly forgettable, with a musical score that is the definition of bland - is deemed better than one featuring Kylo Ren, Rey, BB-8, Han Solo's death, Anakin's saber and old man Luke Skywalker on Skellig Michael scored to perfection by John Williams.
The internet is the Dark Side of The Force.
GasparZizou
Super Freak
Well right now I don't care who /Lucas/ or who /Disney/ here, happy holidays everybody, this is a nice place to hang around and you're all bros.
I'm not drunk or anything btw.
I'm not drunk or anything btw.
The Clown Prince of Crime
Super Freak
Nah, The Phantom Menace was a huge disappointment and the result was obvious when Attack of the Clones came out, not just critically but financially. TPM made $983..more or less, close to a billion and AOTC $640 world wide, behind films like Spider-Man, Harry Potter and LOTR. People spoke with their money that year. When those films came out the internet wasn't what it is today with so many forums and outlets for people to post their opinions, but it didn't mean people liked those prequels.
Then there's the hype that blinds people into thinking they just watched the greatest thing ever, but then in retrospect, they're more objective and see it for what it is. Before TFA came out I said it was going to get great reviews and that people would call it the best SW film since ESB, but that in a few years, in retrospect, that opinion would change. I didn't anticipate for it to happen so fast to be honest
But it's slowly happening, because the film isn't great...just average, imo...well in a lot of people's opinion.
They're unnecessary, and completely so. You didn't need the whole backstory of Vader. You had enough. You knew he was once a good man, via Obi-Wan telling Luke about his father. You even had a tantalising hint that maybe it was more complicated than you might think thanks to ghost Obi talking to Luke in ESB. You didn't need to see him as a kid or a horny young man, and you didn't need to see Boba Fett at all. Sometimes less is more, which is what made ANH and ESB so good. Good story, plus GL was limited, by budget or in the case of ESB, a great and opinionated director. When he has no limits placed on him, thanks to CGI and the success of the OT, you get oodles of unnecessary crap like farting banthas and squeaking flying robots getting in the way and Jar Jar Binks. Not to mention things like Han walking over Jabba's tail. So much unnecessary. Plus Han shooting first. That he shot first was awesome. He was a dangerous and somewhat immoral badass who was morally ambiguous, which was subsequently watered down. No, wrong, it was pissed on.
Don't get me wrong though, the expanded special effects in the SE were by and large just what the film needed. Great eye candy, like the MF taking off from Tatooine, and the Death Star explosion. Hell yeah! There was just so much that was unnecessary.
I'm not on any bandwagon, whilst I watched them all in theaters, I thought at the time the PT was unnecessary and overly complicated (oooh, trade sanctions, how terribly engrossing). We simply didn't need them. In actual fact, it detracted from the story. We don't need to see Vader as a child, nor did we need to see the political maneuvering of Palpatine. They're just superfluous to everything. Maybe, had they come first, and we'd had a chance to get invested in the characters, and been shocked by Anakins turning, it would have been different, but it isn't, and TBH, the lack of anything in the neighbourhood of chemistry btw Anakin and Padme kills that idea anyway.
I enjoyed ROTJ, but I always thought the ewoks should have had canine teeth, and maybe be a little more wolf-like. A small adjustment, but then I could have truly believed they could be the nasty little hunters that fought the Empire with a certain amount of success (not to mention being less toy sale cutey).
Oh, and a very big bug bear. Darth Maul... what a waste of a character. The only truly interesting thing in Ep 1.
Look at it this way. In the movie Carlito's Way, you don't need to see all the bad Carlito ever did. All you need to know is that he was bad, and is trying to walk into the light, and be a good person. To know everything I feel in some way would cheapen it, and that's how I feel about the PT. I don't need to know the ins and outs of Anakin's life. All I ever needed to know was that he was once a good man, and Obi-Wan's friend (which incidentally just didn't come across in the PT).
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Centurion
Super Freak
You also have to take into account how long it's been since anyone got ANYTHING Star Wars in the theaters.
In 1999, it took 16 years after ROTJ before we all got a chance to delve back into the Saga. Fans were clamoring and desperate for another Star Wars movie and when Lucasfilm announced that they would be doing an Ep. I, instead of an Ep. VII, people went bonkers! This was the chance to see how it all started. We were all going to see this one no matter the cost.
However, once that initial hunger was fulfilled, we realize...
...poor acting, horrible lines, midichlorians, Jar Jar, animatronics Yoda on crack (before he was CG'ed), Padme speaking in a man's voice (was this a requirement if you're the Queen of Naboo? LOL!), Taxation Federation, Separatists, Congress, etc, etc. The Phantom Menace just blows. No one really complained back then because this was all we had!
Let's fast forward now to present day. Interestingly enough, it's been 16 years since TPM and I don't ever hear of anyone actually wanting to rewatch the movie. Whereas, with the OT, people are still enjoying those over and over, regardless of how old they are.
The PT (but more specifically, TPM) did not age well. This movie will not stand the test of time. It's easily forgotten and for good reason.
Well right now I don't care who /Lucas/ or who /Disney/ here, happy holidays everybody, this is a nice place to hang around and you're all bros.
I'm not drunk or anything btw.
Delicious
When TPM came out I was twelve, and even though I had low selfesteem, wanted to think what everyone else thought and had no critical thinking skills I still knew that TPM was a very bad movie from every angle, no matter what anyone else said.
Or maybe it jumpstarted me into the man I am today due to it being a bad movie? Am I endebted to TPM?
Or maybe it jumpstarted me into the man I am today due to it being a bad movie? Am I endebted to TPM?
paulcarson
Disenchanted
No, the prequels could have been much better. I discount the prequels when I'm watching these movies and will never watch Jedi again. It just seemed to me to be a poor resolution to a film series at the time. The ewoks and a poor space battle pretty much killed it for me.
jye4ever
Broke and happy
Yeah I agree ROTJ space battle is even worse than the one from TPM.
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You mean the ROTJ space battle that has arguably only now been bettered by Rogue One 33 years later? That space battle?
Then there's the hype that blinds people into thinking they just watched the greatest thing ever, but then in retrospect, they're more objective and see it for what it is.
Before TFA came out I said it was going to get great reviews and that people would call it the best SW film since ESB, but that in a few years, in retrospect, that opinion would change. I didn't anticipate for it to happen so fast to be honest
This...first part at least....
I do not think that TFA will every suffer the fall from grace that PT did. It is really not that bad of a film. Yup highly reminiscent of ANH but Disney had to play is safe with certain aspects. I think actually, it will be a film that will hold even more water after seeing the next two. We should see it as a character introduction and set up film> its hard to appreciate individual films in a trilogy... without seeing them in context.
All the bitching about Kylo will be undone with we see him progress in the next films. What we will see is his tantrums, turn into full evil controlled rage mode. We are seeing a progression of evil with him. It what SHOULD have been done with Anakin...rather then just 2 quick scenes and suddenly he's progressed from saving people to killing children.
I really think they are going toward showing Kylo as mentally ill, perhaps the using the force does this to certain people...corrupts them mentally...
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jye4ever
Broke and happy
You mean the ROTJ space battle that has arguably only now been bettered by Rogue One 33 years later? That space battle?
lolololol
Yup
that space battle.
100% right
TPM being bad made it easy to lose faith immediately.
Since TFA wasn't a bad movie there is no reason to be pessimistic about E8/9.
You actually made that one? I assumed you'd just found it somewhere.
It's a good 'un. Obviously, I had to save it. 
jye4ever
Broke and happy
Well I watched the PT this weekend.
I can't believe i'm going to say this but I was actually entertained by the wackiness of ROTS just because McDiarmid elevates any scene he's in.
Ummm...what else what else....
Anakin's pre Vader costume and hair style are bad ass.
Ummm...
Yeah those 2 things. Also during the opera scene Palpatine looked right at Anakin when he said that Darth Plagueis figured out a way to create life, was he implying that Plagueis created Anakin?
AOTC Portman is smoking hot!
TPM....painful even with the Maul battle.
Maul's 10 second balcony scene with Palpatine is awesome.
At last we will reveal this crappy movie to the public.
I can't believe i'm going to say this but I was actually entertained by the wackiness of ROTS just because McDiarmid elevates any scene he's in.
Ummm...what else what else....
Anakin's pre Vader costume and hair style are bad ass.
Ummm...
Yeah those 2 things. Also during the opera scene Palpatine looked right at Anakin when he said that Darth Plagueis figured out a way to create life, was he implying that Plagueis created Anakin?
AOTC Portman is smoking hot!
TPM....painful even with the Maul battle.
Maul's 10 second balcony scene with Palpatine is awesome.
At last we will reveal this crappy movie to the public.
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