Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*

[jye4ever]

We're you not a if fan jye? My memory sucks.

Nope, after only the first viewing I knew it was a better SW movie than TFA. The ending was spectacular and the slow parts got better with repeat viewings.

 

[xipotec]

Reasons why TPM can never be better than TFA.

I built him to help out Mom.
Midichlorians
Meesaaa Jar Jar Binks
Taxation
Slaemo
Space is cold
You must contact me
Much fear in you
Now this is pod racing
Train the boy

Respects all around for all opinions, but this is just a sample of super cringe worthy moments .......

TFA does have a sterile clean feel to it.....but I can watch it every time without cringing and feeling sorry and embarrassed for GL.


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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Reasons why TPM can never be better than TFA.

I built him to help out Mom.
Midichlorians
Meesaaa Jar Jar Binks
Taxation
Slaemo
Space is cold
You must contact me
Much fear in you
Now this is pod racing
Train the boy

Respects all around for all opinions, but this is just a sample of super cringe worthy moments .......

It's bold, and stylistically designed to be that way.

TFA does have a sterile clean feel to it.....but I can watch it every time without cringing and feeling sorry and embarrassed for GL

Give it time.

 

[karamazov80]

Reasons why TPM can never be better than TFA.

I built him to help out Mom.
Midichlorians
Meesaaa Jar Jar Binks
Taxation
Slaemo
Space is cold
You must contact me
Much fear in you
Now this is pod racing
Train the boy

Respects all around for all opinions, but this is just a sample of super cringe worthy moments .......

TFA does have a sterile clean feel to it.....but I can watch it every time without cringing and feeling sorry and embarrassed for GL.


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No doubt. I would say the same for rogue one (being vastly superior to phantom menace). In fact, the only things I really liked about phantom were the opening scene with obi won and Neeson and, to a lesser extent, the maul fight. I said the same with force awakens, but I'll take relatively lazy/derivative, but well written/acted/directed movies like the ones we're getting now over more novel, but badly made films like the Lucas Prequels every time.

Having said that, I haven't watched Tfa in over a year, and am in no rush to see ro again anytime soon.

 

[jye4ever]

I find TFA charming enough to warrant repeat viewings at far more frequesnt intervals than at kara's homestead lol.

Uncle kara I want to watch TFA!

Sorry kid but you're stuck with History of Violence, and I need your academic thesis on that movie before your mom picks you up.

 

[Khev]

I'll take relatively lazy/derivative, but well written/acted/directed movies like the ones we're getting now over more novel...films like the Lucas Prequels

TFA and RO didn't go so stupidly out into left field as to present us with a "Jar Jar Binks" but having the wherewithal to not make such a colossal blunder does not equal "lazy and derivative." Because in actuality a "novel" approach to SW is not using one of the heroes from ANH as a main or supporting character for once. Or daring to change the entire genre from what has been presented before (something not done with any sequel in any franchise since ALIENS.) A novel approach is being the first SW movie to not feature a lightsaber duel, a Force sensitive lead character, or have any of the main protagonists survive.

When a filmmaker takes a beloved franchise and then drags it through the mud in a way I've never seen before I don't give them credit for being original, nor do I dismiss a sequel that is actually more original than The Empire Strikes Back for being too derivative.

 

[JAWS]

The Force Awakens is miles better than Rogue One.

Well I think we can agree to disagree on that one.

Nope, after only the first viewing I knew it was a better SW movie than TFA. The ending was spectacular and the slow parts got better with repeat viewings.

Slow parts were so much better the second time... The film flew by and the action got better also.

Reasons why TPM can never be better than TFA.

I built him to help out Mom.
Midichlorians
Meesaaa Jar Jar Binks
Taxation
Slaemo
Space is cold
You must contact me
Much fear in you
Now this is pod racing
Train the boy

Respects all around for all opinions, but this is just a sample of super cringe worthy moments .......

TFA does have a sterile clean feel to it.....but I can watch it every time without cringing and feeling sorry and embarrassed for GL.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I am not going to try and defend TPM as a better movie then TFA... It's just I find it more of a SW movie then TFA... Some of that may have to do with my age and my memory of all the hype around TPM.

I have seen TPM a lot... I do find it practically unwatchable due to the boring bits. But I have seen it probably 10 times..

I have seen TFA 3 times and I just don't feel a need to return to it. That is strange for me when it comes to a SW film. Even the ones I really don't care for (AOTC and ROTS) I have seen numerous times.

TFA for me lacks imagination in its visual style and of course story. It feels small and has a made for TV feel that just bores me to death. It also has some cringe worthy moments for me also but in all honesty I learned to ignore cringe worthy moments after ROTJ.

As for the cringe worthy moments you listed for TPM... Some of those things don't bother me at all. But I HATE Boss Nas and find the Gungan battle to be just awful. Jar Jar has grown on me... Mostly because he was done well in the Cone Wars series and I found him funy there but yeah he sucks also in TPM... I really cringe with "exsqueez me" and when he jump into the pond. The acting is wooden except for Liam and the plot is stupid.

But Man I love MAUL and the Emperor and find them two of the best villains in the series. The Emperor was just a hologram but I found this performance by him to be the best.

But like I said it's not that I think TPM is good. I just like parts and moments in it. TFA is a better made film but it lacks any stand out parts and moments for me so its why they both get 6 out of 10. If you switched the action from both of those films and gave TFA a bit more imagination I would give that an 8 out of 10 and give TPM a 1 out of 10.

 

[JAWS]

TFA and RO didn't go so stupidly out into left field as to present us with a "Jar Jar Binks" but having the wherewithal to not make such a colossal blunder does not equal "lazy and derivative." Because in actuality a "novel" approach to SW is not using one of the heroes from ANH as a main or supporting character for once. Or daring to change the entire genre from what has been presented before (something not done with any sequel in any franchise since ALIENS.) A novel approach is being the first SW movie to not feature a lightsaber duel, a Force sensitive lead character, or have any of the main protagonists survive.

When a filmmaker takes a beloved franchise and then drags it through the mud in a way I've never seen before I don't give them credit for being original, nor do I dismiss a sequel that is actually more original than The Empire Strikes Back for being too derivative.

I agree with this on all points with Rouge one....

But I do think TFA is Lazy and derivative.

 

[Khev]

I agree with this on all points with Rouge one....

But I do think TFA is Lazy and derivative.

ROGUE One JAWS. ROGUE One. Let's keep Moulin Rouge out of this. But yeah, pretty much all of my examples above are in direct reference to RO as opposed to TFA.

TFA did give us some brand new things (defecting Stormtrooper, a junk planet, Rey/BB-8/Kylo, rathtars, etc.) but I understand the complaint that it plays like a bit of an "OT's greatest hits" film. But even with that being said some people like to lift up George Lucas simply going off the rails as if it's this paramount achievement in originality at the expense of all that TFA accomplished.

 

[jye4ever]

Khev I actually would be more forgiving of the greatest hits vibe had the set pieces been more thrilling.

I go to these movies to be awed and thrilled, that's all really.

At least TFA (and obviously RO) delivered solid foundations of basic filmmaking so i'm happy to be only complaining about the lack of thrills in TFA.

RO 3rd act is my SW TWS and CW, going to make E8/9 have to work harder now.

 

[a-dev]

Can we change the thread title to the correct spelling please? It's really starting to bug me.

Seriously though, I think I generally agree with what JAWS is saying. I rewatched TFA recently (my third viewing) and honestly it was only 'OK'. Whether I'd put TPM above it I'm less sure about although I do think that's the best the prequels had to offer.

 

[jye4ever]

Rogue One Thread Title Change Request: An A-Dev Story.

 

[Wor-Gar]

A lost but Force sensitive teen on a barren desert planet is swept up into clash with the forces of evil when he/she finds a lost droid with valuable information on the "Empire's" newest super-weapon; he/she boards the Millennium Falcon with an elder mentor who is doomed to die at the hands of the villain but not before passing on some great wisdom, and a weapon, to the young hero who is then set on the path for a great confrontation with Evil.

OK, so am I talking about ANH or TFA...?

 

[jye4ever]

Hmmm, that kind of reminds me of Die Hard....no wait....The Exorcist....no no wait I got it....reminds me of Bad Boys 2....yeah Bad Boys 2.

 

[jye4ever]

A lost but Force sensitive teen on a barren desert planet is swept up into clash with the forces of evil when he/she finds a lost droid with valuable information on the "Empire's" newest super-weapon; he/she boards the Millennium Falcon with an elder mentor who is doomed to die at the hands of the villain but not before passing on some great wisdom, and a weapon, to the young hero who is then set on the path for a great confrontation with Evil.

OK, so am I talking about ANH or TFA...?

If Luke had been Rey in ANH he would've force grabbed dead Obi-Wan's lightsaber and proceeded to open up a can of whoop ass on slow poke Vader lol.

 

[Khev]

A lost but Force sensitive teen on a barren desert planet is swept up into clash with the forces of evil when he/she finds a lost droid with valuable information on the "Empire's" newest super-weapon; he/she boards the Millennium Falcon with an elder mentor who is doomed to die at the hands of the villain but not before passing on some great wisdom, and a weapon, to the young hero who is then set on the path for a great confrontation with Evil.

OK, so am I talking about ANH or TFA...?

ANH of course (BB-8 didn't contain data on the bad guys' super-weapon.)

See how different those two movies are?

 

[Khev]

RO 3rd act is my SW TWS and CW, going to make E8/9 have to work harder now.

Amen. RO finally gave us a Russo-esque upgrade in action the likes of which we haven't seen since the upgrades from SW -> ESB -> ROTJ. And I agree that not even TFA gave us such an upgrade because as awesome as the Jakku Falcon chase was it just didn't have the scale of Hoth or ROTJ space batle. Rogue One finally gave us a battle of that scale but with modern visuals and thrills.

Like you said the saga really has its work cut out for it to ever top RO's final act.

 

[a-dev]

Rogue One Thread Title Change Request: An A-Dev Story.

If Luke had been Rey in ANH he would've force grabbed dead Obi-Wan's lightsaber and proceeded to open up a can of whoop ass on slow poke Vader lol.

And yes, quite possibly

At the risk of dredging up the big debate again - there's some points to be made about Kylo himself not being fully trained and his being injured - fair enough about the latter but the former point is undermined by the fact we saw this guy do things we'd never seen a jedi do before - stopping a blaster bolt and holding it stationary in the air while he went about his business, reading people's minds (Vader had to use an interrogation droid, there was no mention of him trying to force-read Leia's mind) - it seems unlikely this guy could be beaten by someone who has no training. His injury is the only valid component to the argument IMO.

 

[Khev]

it seems unlikely this guy could be beaten by someone who has no training. His injury is the only valid component to the argument IMO.

What about Snoke's instruction to bring her in alive?

 

[a-dev]

What about Snoke's instruction to bring her in alive?

Maybe that gave him a further handicap. But why didn't he knock her unconscious with a wave of his hand like he did earlier in the film...also an unprecedented jedi ability I might add