Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*

[jye4ever]

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

 

[Khev]

Here's the full article with Rogue One's editors. Fascinating, FASCINATING read:

https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/rogue-o...-standalone-reshoots-exclusive-110124381.html

Sounds like all parties involved had an utterly relentless drive to simply make a great movie.

For those who don't read the full article he are some interesting highlights:

1. Jyn walking into the Rebel base in handcuffs was originally to be her first scene as an adult in the movie. As such a lot of her character building was dialogue driven ("I rebel") but when they decided they could make her intro better by showing her reaction to getting "rescued" they didn't need her stating she was a badass, it was better to have her simply listening quietly since the audience already knew a little bit about her.

Other ripple effects were created by adding the Bodhi and Cassian intros that caused them to film additional moments for subsequent scenes to organically tie them all together.

2. The original rough cut was only 10 minutes longer than the final cut and the 10 minutes weren't lost because they wanted to reduce the running time, they were just unnecessary scenes that were discarded as they tweaked the narrative.

3. All three editors said that the alternate scenes in the finale were interesting to see from a novelty standpoint but they don't think anyone would watch Jyn running on the beach with the plans or approaching the TIE Fighter and then wish that that was the version they used.

4. The actor who played Gold Leader (Y-Wing pilot from ANH) is still alive and recorded new dialogue for his scenes above Scarif!

This quote says it all:

Interviewer: The last hour of that movie, certainly once the Rebel fleet arrives, the intercuts go from the vault to the fleet above to the Rebels on the beach, there is almost an infinite number of ways you can actually choose which scene to go to next.

John Gilroy: But we were only interested in the right way. We were interested in the right way and that’s what we went for.

 

[pixletwin]

Honestly that "I rebel" scene in the trailer made me cringe a little. I am glad that was excised.

That was a great read. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Crazy to edit a faux movie for timing. Makes no sense. He used the vault closing in Wargames for timing? But this is Star Wars -- a giant door can whisk closed in half a second.

 

[Khev]

Honestly that "I rebel" scene in the trailer made me cringe a little. I am glad that was excised.

Agreed.

That was a great read. Thanks for sharing.

No problem.

Crazy to edit a faux movie for timing. Makes no sense.

It's been done since the very beginning.

He used the vault closing in Wargames for timing? But this is Star Wars -- a giant door can whisk closed in half a second.

Doors close at all different speeds in Star Wars allowing any given filmmaker to have ample precedent for whatever fits the scene.

 

[Wor-Gar]

It's been done since the very beginning.

Doors close at all different speeds in Star Wars allowing any given filmmaker to have ample precedent for whatever fits the scene.

Seems like a real tedious effort. I understand using this technique when you're trying to emulate something specific in a sequence -- as was the case with the ref you posted. But to mock up an entire movie? Why not just storyboard and 'act' out your timing? I mean, it took him what, 3 months to pull from a ton of movies and then edit. And then they didn't even use it.

The process to make Rogue One seems like a very odd one indeed after reading that. Seems like they were all making it up as it went along. I wonder if there was a guiding force -- Kathleen? Gareth? Anyone? No wonder it required reshoots.

 

[Khev]

I wonder if there was a guiding force -- Kathleen? Gareth? Anyone? No wonder it required reshoots.

Seems like the process was a Gareth thing based on what the one editor said who previously worked with him on "Monsters." I'm sure TFA's two *billion* dollars had something to do with it too though. Disney probably said, "what you've edited the entire finale and have completed visual effects but now think you can do it all better? Here's another $50 million, go right ahead."

 

[Wor-Gar]

I fear we're going to hear many "stories" for a very long time about how Rogue One was made and what was originally intended. Not sure if we'll ever know exactly what they started with and what exactly happened.

The nice thing is, like you mentioned, Disney is still at the point of throwing whatever cash Star Wars needs to be big again. That will wane in time and budget formulas will become the norm.

 

[Khev]

The nice thing is, like you mentioned, Disney is still at the point of throwing whatever cash Star Wars needs to be big again. That will wane in time and budget formulas will become the norm.

Yep I imagine so and then the massive sets and location shoots will give way to budget friendly green screen and SW will start to morph into GotG. And if they start replacing the John Boyegas and Diego Lunas with eight-figure salary powerhouses like Bale, RDJ, Depp, etc., then the remaining budgets will be squeezed just that much tighter.

But we'll always have Rogue One!

 

[Wor-Gar]

But we'll always have Rogue One!

True! A wonderful little gem that somehow came together through committee.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Here's the full article with Rogue One's editors. Fascinating, FASCINATING read:

https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/rogue-o...-standalone-reshoots-exclusive-110124381.html

Sounds like all parties involved had an utterly relentless drive to simply make a great movie.

Good read, thanks for sharing.

 

[jye4ever]

That Gareth dude sounds like he's super talented.

 

[Khev]

Good read, thanks for sharing.

Sure!

That Gareth dude sounds like he's super talented.

Yes I'll be watching his career with great interest.

 

[jye4ever]

That Gilroy dude in the interview made it all sound like he came to the rescue.

Why yes Disney called me last minute in June to come fix it all lol.

I get it though, any project that large and costly requires multiple eyes from different angles so that when one set of eyes gets lost in the details the others can look at the bigger picture.

You can't be a Trank and get all feeble and offended.

Gareth is just like whatever, I did my part as required and others did theirs.

At the end of the day it still says directed by Gareth Edwards regardless who fixed what.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Yes I'll be watching his career with great interest.

That you, Palpatine?

 

[Khev]

That Gilroy dude in the interview made it all sound like he came to the rescue.

Why yes Disney called me last minute in June to come fix it all lol.

I get it though, any project that large and costly requires multiple eyes from different angles so that when one set of eyes gets lost in the details the others can look at the bigger picture.

Yes and the fact that LFL brought in an editor who'd worked with Gareth before tells me that they weren't trying to steal the picture away from him but were rather just trying to give him all the help he needed. Similar to them granting Abrams' request to move TFA from May 2015 to December to give him more time (which paid massive dividends to them in the end.)

You can't be a Trank and get all feeble and offended.

I'm sure that publicly he'll maintain the BS that "I never wanted to work on a big production anyway" but man, it's got to suck for him to see RO and know that that's a sandbox he could have been playing in if he wasn't such an idiot.

Gareth is just like whatever, I did my part as required and others did theirs.

At the end of the day it still says directed by Gareth Edwards regardless who fixed what.

Yep and he comes across as more professional than not just Trank but Whedon as well.

 

[Khev]

That you, Palpatine?

"Is it possible to make a movie this awesome?"

"Not if you're Trank..."

 

[jye4ever]

lolololololoololololololol

 

[DiFabio]

What makes you guys so sure that the original Rogue One wasn't a better film? You can't just go by interviews. Who knows how it originally played out. Just because you looooooved the final product doesn't mean it's superior to what was originally intended.

This kind of stuff fascinates me. I love seeing how things almost went down during movie production.