One might say in manner somewhat similar to another film released in 1977...
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*
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One might say in manner somewhat similar to another film released in 1977...
GasparZizou
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Everything sounded great until those initial reshoot rumors, which apparently ended up to be true.
So I doubt the studio will give Gareth any more freedom than they gave in this one before taking it away.
I really want to see that alternate version.
What makes you think the original Star Wars was a mess while filming?
I think Lucas had a very clear vision while filming -- a vision no one else got or understood until it was released. Gareth seems to be grabbing shots that just look cool with no idea what to use it for, picking artwork because George likes it, and have "Grab It hour" which is a real waste of shoot time.
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jye4ever
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Well I really can't speak on Empire of Dreams as I never read it, nor can I speak on filming as I wasn't there either... but what was promoted upon Star Wars' 1977 release and for decades after was that George had a very clear vision on what he wanted on the original Star Wars. A vision very few people, if any, 'got'. Although merchandize did taint him by "Jedi", I think Star Wars and Empire remain testament to Lucas' vision.
I don't see any evidence of that coming from press on Gareth. He seems more like a fan lost. I admire his contributions... but he is not the 'man behind the film' like Lucas was originally.
I don't see any evidence of that coming from press on Gareth. He seems more like a fan lost. I admire his contributions... but he is not the 'man behind the film' like Lucas was originally.
I wasn't comparing Gareth to Lucas.
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You were comparing Star Wars to Rogue One filmmaking process, yes? And then threw in Empire of Dreams as evidence that Star Wars was a mess when filming?
I was stating that I understood Lucas, as a prime driver, to have more of a handle on the set then his opposite number on Rogue One, director Gareth.
With such little money, I remember Lucas as being a master organizer to be able to get so much on screen for so little back then. In fact, its that economy of waste that Spielberg wanted to gain when he did Raiders after 1941.
But you already know all this.
Perhaps I missed your point.
jye4ever
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Ahhh but that's not fair on Edwards.
No director today is really the man behind the film, they are all hired guns to get into the trench and bring the studios vision to life.
Remember that Lucas was not an LA guy, he physically remained out of sight from the studios because he hated that system.
He literally had no choice but to be the man behind the film especially one as crazy as SW.
I'm sorry to say but even your Nolan and Villeneuve are not men behind their films, they're just as much studio puppets as Gareth is.
I agree the age of auteurs is over. In films, music, everything. Everything is 'produced', much like it was in the 50's.
That said, Cameron still commands his films. His final stand could be my last hope.
That said, Cameron still commands his films. His final stand could be my last hope.
jye4ever
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But that's also ok I guess, I mean you enjoyed yourself with RO, right?
I know I did.
I'm not going to get all caught up on the bts drama, I also love how these mythical superior alternate cuts materialize as if the studio decided on keeping the better version of the movie all for themselves lol
Lets take a look at these other good movies:
Alternate The Good the Bad and the Ugly, released but not needed.
Alternate The Exorcist, released but not needed.
Alternate Aliens, released but not needed.
Alternate T2, released but not needed.
Alternate OT....yikes.
Hell we definately didn't need that alternate Avatar lol
I hope we get the superior Raiders of the Lost Ark one day.
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Rogue One director explains why one of the best trailer moments wasn’t in the movie
https://www.polygon.com/2017/1/6/14195898/rogue-one-star-wars-trailer-jyn-erson
This is the dumbest explanation I've ever heard. What a crock.
"Hurr durr, we just took these super expensive cameras and shots for fun cuz art guiz." What nonsense. It's like they're covering up the fact that things changed. I want his explanation on why Saw Gerrera was completely changed for the final film beyond "uhh, Forest Whitaker looked cool on that day of filming without his wig, hehehe".
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jye4ever
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You see, the studios are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
We complain when studios have a tight corporate grip.
And now we're complaining when by the sound of it the studio allowed him to go free with the shooting.
SW was a huge success in spite of Lucas. That was my only point. You read way more into it, I think, than I had implied.
No, I loved RO. Best Star Wars since ESB.
But I'm critical of Gareth and the process. They ended up with a good movie despite themselves, all of them. Let's see them repeat this bizarre experiment.
And when I say good movie, I really mean a good Star Wars -- and the bar isn't that high anymore. RO is not really a good movie: I didn't connect with the characters, don't want to collect any, and the movie has its structural issues. But that last hour is just so insane and fun -- for Star Wars -- that it saves an OK movie and launches it into greatness because it gives us so many things we've wanted to see for so long. Time will tell if it wears off now that Disney knows what we want.
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Jye, go to sleep.
Oh yeah, right how silly of me. Just like WB did with David Ayer for Suicide Squad!
SW was a huge success in spite of Lucas. That was my only point. You read way more into it, I think, than I had implied.
I certainly did then.
But look at his legacy. To say STAR WARS, in 1977, was a success "despite Lucas" seems... like bitter judgment. He truly had everything to do with its original success. If not, the true genius would have stepped forward easily. It wasn't Kurtz (and I was sorry to see him leave). It was Dykstra (who tried many times to repeat the success of his effects). And it sure wasn't Fox.
You can't say "well if you can't place the crown of SW genius on Lucas, than what one person can you place it on?"SW was a success, not because of one "genius" (as you put it). That was a PR (and legal) myth. The bones were Lucas' creation, sure. But the life which was breathed into that movie was the result of editors, designers, actors, etc... Hundreds of people who all took his ideas and ran with them. People have this annoying habit of thinking of Lucas as this brilliant figure who managed to create this universe and then became lost as he got older.
The more actual control Lucas ever gained always resulted in SW becoming something lesser.
Lucas has always been lost. It is the people around him who made the difference. Lucas never understood his creation, I would submit, because it wasn't his creation. It was a shared experience. One that became a worldwide zeitgeist in spite of him.
jye4ever
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Hey LOTR not fair lol.
Those were books that demanded longer cuts for them to breath which were never going to be initially allowed theatrically for profit reasons.
Even then many still prefer the theatrical over the extended.
Plus their plan all along was for the audience to eventually experience the longer cuts at home but only after they released the theatricals first.
Who knows maybe Disney might go with an extended RO for home release and we will get to see that very superior alternate version lol.
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