Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*

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Good reads Wor-Gar and crows.

They could have gone off the rails with Saw Gerrera but he was used sparingly enough and with just enough restraint that allowed me to find his irrational behavior to be very entertaining. :lol
 
The beginning was needed to explain what happened to her dad. It could have been more detailed in a flashback later in the movie but i didnt have a problem the scene itself. Maybe it could have been placed in a different place in the movie. But it was needed.

The scene itself was fine, and necessary. But setting the ship down that far away from Galen's homestead did nothing but stretch out the scene to escalate the dramatic tension - which it didn't for me, because it was so clearly done for no other purpose. That's what I mean when I called it cheesy.

As for the characters, there was plenty of room for more interesting exposition - but the exposition we got was threadbare. And each character was introduced with, "Hi, I'm so-and-so and I do such-and-such" and then, with the exception of Cassian (and of course Galen and Jyn)... nothin'. The difference between this narrative and Aliens or Predator is that in those movies, the side characters were clearly fodder for a malevolent antagonist, and when they died we didn't really need to care about them so much other than what they said about how bad the alien or predator was. The chemistry between all the players in Rogue One made up for it to a large part though, the performances were great - when they died we cared because of their clear friendships and respect. But that came through the casting and performances rather than the writing.

That third act though might be my most favourite of all the Star Wars set-pieces - it's hard to beat the first-time impact that the initial Death Star assault had on me as a kid, but this is right up there.
 
Saw gerrera reminded me of pure 80s fantasy cheesiness
Like something out of Krull or conan the barbarian or beast master or something. It weirdly fits lol :lol
Reminded me a little of masters of the universe or something. His look and his voice reminded me of watching those fantasy movies in the 80s
 
The scene itself was fine, and necessary. But setting the ship down that far away from Galen's homestead did nothing but stretch out the scene to escalate the dramatic tension - which it didn't for me, because it was so clearly done for no other purpose. That's what I mean when I called it cheesy.

As for the characters, there was plenty of room for more interesting exposition - but the exposition we got was threadbare. And each character was introduced with, "Hi, I'm so-and-so and I do such-and-such" and then, with the exception of Cassian (and of course Galen and Jyn)... nothin'. The difference between this narrative and Aliens or Predator is that in those movies, the side characters were clearly fodder for a malevolent antagonist, and when they died we didn't really need to care about them so much other than what they said about how bad the alien or predator was. The chemistry between all the players in Rogue One made up for it to a large part though, the performances were great - when they died we cared because of their clear friendships and respect. But that came through the casting and performances rather than the writing.

That third act though might be my most favourite of all the Star Wars set-pieces - it's hard to beat the first-time impact that the initial Death Star assault had on me as a kid, but this is right up there.

I know the guys in predator and aliens were fodder for the villain but they were iconic enough to become memorable.

I feel the same here. The characters were memorable to me even though they just die
 
I know the guys in predator and aliens were fodder for the villain but they were iconic enough to become memorable.

I feel the same here. The characters were memorable to me even though they just die

The Alien and Predator characters were definitely memorable - I just didn't care when they died. Except for Bishop Mk2, who was non-military. The Rogue One crew don't just die like fodder characters though - they give up their lives for a perceived greater good. They have various fighting skills, but apart from Cassian they're not professional soldiers or military. Their sacrifice is more poignant because of this (to me anyway).

What I'm trying to say is that their casting and performances were crucial to our caring about them, whereas the writing didn't do them any favours.
 
Yeah i can see that. The pilot guy could be forgettable but for me he wasnt because of his mission with the message and his worry of trying to get the cable plugged.

I felt really sad when he succeeded just to get blown up. His death made me sad. He was maybe one of the least developed yet i cared when he died, i. Dont know why i just liked everyone so much
 
The beginning was needed to explain what happened to her dad. It could have been more detailed in a flashback later in the movie but i didnt have a problem the scene itself. Maybe it could have been placed in a different place in the movie. But it was needed.

Tentacle scene could be weird but it was very short. I take the tentacle scene in here over the tentacle scene in force awakens any day. At least they made it very short.
It was so short it doesnt hurt the movie.

I didnt feel the characters were as thin as everyone says. We met them at the same time she did. We were introduced to them same as her. I think it works. We are folllowing her story and we meet them and then the story continue.

I mean how much backstory or development did the marines had in aliens? Or even the crew of the first alien?
How much development did the team had in predator?

They were pretty cool in this movie. I really really loved the asian guy and his friend the most. I liked their friendship. I loved how they were there for each other at the end.

The way everyone goes out is very epic. It kinda gave me chills. It was very intense to see each one go out. I loved that each person had a mission that needed to be done regardless if theumy died or not.
I liked everyone. Cant say i disliked any of them. They could have given them a llittle more of a backstory but it wasnt needed.

The only bad thing of the movie that i disliked was the music. But the visuals and the action makkes up for it big time

I hated the weird remake of the star wars main score. It felt like watching a bootleg version of star wars :lol

I also hated the bells some songs had. Some songs were ok but then weird bells would be added to them... sounded weird as hell

Saw gerrera reminded me of pure 80s fantasy cheesiness
Like something out of Krull or conan the barbarian or beast master or something. It weirdly fits lol :lol
Reminded me a little of masters of the universe or something. His look and his voice reminded me of watching those fantasy movies in the 80s

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Yeah i can see that. The pilot guy could be forgettable but for me he wasnt because of his mission with the message and his worry of trying to get the cable plugged.

I felt really sad when he succeeded just to get blown up. His death made me sad. He was maybe one of the least developed yet i cared when he died, i. Dont know why i just liked everyone so much

I liked Rook too. Likeable is a good word for the Rogue One characters, each in their own way. I thought Krennic was solid too as the evil dude, but attracting some sympathy as Tarkin's patsy.
 
Its funny to compare Rook's near-madness panic performance as a deserter versus Finn's more jokey, 'I'm-outta-here' performance as a deserter.

I imagine the more panicked performance is likely more true.
 
RO really does illuminate just how light and comedic most of TFA was from beginning to end. Imagine if Galen had said the "who talks first" line to Krennic or if Krennic said that to Vader.

I don't mind different movies having different tones and in the context of TFA the comedy worked but I much prefer the vibe that permeated throughout Rogue One.
 
RO really does illuminate just how light and comedic most of TFA was from beginning to end. Imagine if Galen had said the "who talks first" line to Krennic or if Krennic said that to Vader.

I don't mind different movies having different tones and in the context of TFA the comedy worked but I much prefer the vibe that permeated throughout Rogue One.

Yeah, the dark tone is suitable considering the ending.

But it certain takes any 'punch' out of TFA. TFA is like RO lite.
 
RO really does illuminate just how light and comedic most of TFA was from beginning to end. Imagine if Galen had said the "who talks first" line to Krennic or if Krennic said that to Vader.

I don't mind different movies having different tones and in the context of TFA the comedy worked but I much prefer the vibe that permeated throughout Rogue One.

While I agree wholeheartedly, I think the "Episodes" should remain "fun". Like TFA, not saying they can't go into darker territory like Ep 8 sounds like it is, but as far as the comedy goes I was fine with what we got in TFA.

RO is a different beast entirely, it's a serious event in the SW saga, and should be treated as such. RO succeeds where the PT fails and that's why. Sure, RO had comedy in it but not too much, it took itself seriously but not too seriously. (like the PT).

I think disney should seriously reboot episodes 1-3. Just do it. You'd only piss off about 10% of the fan base.

Hell, just make them "star wars stories" with old Luke telling Rey the history of the Galaxy, in his own way.

Imagine a decent prequel trilogy that clears out the PT, while retelling it in a much more darker and mature tone, like RO. We could actually see Vader not be a prissy jock, and Obi kicking ass. We could have an entire movie dedicated to the CW era (the best part of the PT, and George skipped over all of it). We can see the Jedi at their all time prime, not just as robed monks who have light swords.
 
Yep.

"Beggar's Cannon: A Star Wars Story, Starring the kid who plays the new Peter Parker and featuring Dave Duchovny as a grizzled Womprat Hunter/Mentor."

CG Anton Yelchin as young Biggs Darklighter.
 
Ive said that years ago and i remember some of the guys here said a remake of the prequels wouldnt be possible because it would piss off everyone too much and that it would be too confusing. That it would mess up the storyline too much

Specially because force awakens and now rogue one were built with nods to the preques.
 
I think the best thing to do would just be to show a character like Rey or Luke seeing some of the past through the Force and having a vision showing just a minute or two of prequel events that overwrite the existing movies. Like show Anakin and Obi-Wan dueling near lava but as different actors and with different outfits on. Kind of how FOTR showed little snippets of events from The Hobbit with a different young Bilbo than what we got in the actual Hobbit trilogy. Obviously the Hobbit films came later than FOTR but for people who don't like them they can just accept young Ian Holms as the "real" Bilbo and ignore Freeman.
 
I dunno... Reboots would be loaded with baggage, more so than TFA, which was basically a "look, look, this isn't the PT" movie. Vader kicking ass in Rogue One was enough for me to forget his whiny Anakin roots. I think the franchise can deal with the PT mess in other ways.

Edit: for example what Khev said.
 
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