Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*

[Wor-Gar]

Too many words. Always a sign of a weak argument.

So if Vader's "toying" with Ben, why does Vader force Ben backwards and out into FULL VIEW of the Falcon, the ship he's hoping the rest of the rebels will imminently use to get away? Isn't it more likely - just so "toying" Vader doesn't get yet another Genius Award - that it's an actual hard-fought duel (that inadvertently leads into full view of the Falcon) and killing Ben quickly would be a smart idea? And given the way the duel ends, with Ben's smile and sacrifice, isn't it more conceivable that the thematic intention was Ben toying with Vader, and not the other way around?

I don't even understand this mumbo-jumbo Argu-talk you spew like so much fairy dust.

All I know is that at the top of the 'Death Star section' of the movie, Vader says: "She still may be of some use to us". And then at the end, after the escape, Tarkin asks Vader: "Are they away?" As if he expected it. Vader responds and Tarkin says: "This had better work". Suggesting it was all part of Vader's plan... to use Leia's rescue as a way to follow her back home.

Simple. Yes. Stupid. Yes. But a plan in a cartoon all the same. Therefore, Vader wanted, and needed, the princess to escape. No one else matters... except maybe a pilot.

 

[TaliBane]

Too many words. Always a sign of a weak argument.


I don't even understand this mumbo-jumbo Argu-talk you spew like so much fairy dust.

All I know is that at the top of the 'Death Star section' of the movie, Vader says: "She still may be of some use to us". And then at the end, after the escape, Tarkin asks Vader: "Are they away?" As if he expected it. Vader responds and Tarkin says: "This had better work". Suggesting it was all part of Vader's plan... to use Leia's rescue as a way to follow her back home.

Simple. Yes. Stupid. Yes. But a plan in a cartoon all the same. Therefore, Vader wanted, and needed, the princess to escape. No one else matters... except maybe a pilot.

And this relates to Vader "toying" with Ben vs. actually battling him.... HOW?

You stumble in here, mocking and mumbo-jumboing... and you don't even know what the main point of discussion is. Always a sign of a strong argument.

Seriously - you got your Yunsil Leia dress, so you can unclench your little fists now, TMZ.

Too many words. Always a sign of a weak argument.

I'll try to use smaller words too.


Oh, and look what I found under "Top Tactics for when you've lost the Argu-talk":

(1) "It's just a movie - jeeesh!"
(2) "Get a life, nerd - you got time to type this?"
(3) "Too... many... words..."

Bingo.

Like so much Stardust, right?

 

[TaliBane]

And this relates to Vader "toying" with Ben vs. actually battling him.... HOW?

You stumble in here, mocking and mumbo-jumboing... and you don't even know what the main point of discussion is. Always a sign of a strong argument.

Seriously - you got your Yunsil Leia dress, so you can unclench your little fists now, TMZ.





I'll try to use smaller words too.


Oh, and look what I found under "Top Tactics for when you've lost the Argu-talk":

(1) "It's just a movie - jeeesh!"
(2) "Get a life, nerd - you got time to type this?"
(3) "Too... many... words..."

Bingo.

Like so much Stardust, right?

Oh... just some more Classic Talibane self-congratulatory hemming and hawing.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Did you just pat yourself on your own back for your yesterday's post? And then proudly admit it? I know -- correction: we all know -- you have quite the ego, but jesus....


Sorry, dude, perhaps I did stumble into mid-argument, but I was originally responding to a point you made about Vader (post #8089) ... it may not have been your main argument (whether Vader is toying with Ben or not) but that doesn't make my point less valid (that Vader was not in fact letting Leia escape with the plans a second time)... and I can only guess you didn't like my point because of the venomous retort... and length of that retort. But my point is not less valid because it doesn't address whatever your main argument was. Your indignation of my getting involved with your argument with Khev was clearly at issue based on your response, so I apologize for crashing your party on a discussion board.

And now your newest comeback (subtlety using my faux joke-word) is to call me a nerd and "its only a movie"... but you yourself will spend pages of discussion on same silly points? I just don't get how your world works sometimes. It seems very convenient for only you. Like your constant criticisms of minute figure details, but then some of your own figures that you're good with are completely crude (i.e. slave Leia).

You should spend less energy being so combative. I'm combative, but I don't relish it like you do. And I never pat myself on my back for it. It's actually no fun to write these kinds of posts (at least not for me).


And to my great regret, this post got much longer than I had hoped it would.

I know this is only going to inspire yet another page-length retort of self-indulgent "clever" insults disguised as "friendly" banter because you add a laughing emoji.

 

[devilof76]

Sigh...I miss the days when I gave a damn about TaliBane's gratuitous bilge.

 

[karamazov80]

Cause modern day action movie fan service > continuity of movies. I'm sure folks will explain it away in various ways, but it just doesn't really make sense to me either.

Whoop, there it is. Degrees of difference between that and spaz Yoda.

 

[devilof76]

He was in a hallway. All he had to do was slash.

 

[pixletwin]

Yeah. I don't see a great disparity to Vader's fighting style between RO and the OT.

Much ado about nada.

 

[devilof76]

Also, the scene was ****ing awesome.

 

[Khev]

Much ado about nada.

Yep. For 37 years we've been fine with one movie having Han say "don't worry I know a few maneuvers, we'll lose 'em" and then flying in a straight line to evade Star Destroyers and then the very next film saying "well we can still outmaneuver them" and having the Falcon making a dramatic 90 degree turn in mid air, multiple barrel rolls, etc., but Vader flicks his wrist a few times in RO and suddenly it's modern day fan service that breaks continuity? Okay...

I recently watched RO plus the entire OT. The Vader that seemed to stick out the most as being different than the other versions was his neutered ROTJ incarnation. RO/SW/ESB was pretty darn seamless.

 

[a-dev]

Yep. For 37 years we've been fine with one movie having Han say "don't worry I know a few maneuvers, we'll lose 'em" and then flying in a straight line to evade Star Destroyers and then the very next film saying "well we can still outmaneuver them" and having the Falcon making a dramatic 90 degree turn in mid air, multiple barrel rolls, etc., but Vader flicks his wrist a few times in RO and suddenly it's modern day fan service that breaks continuity? Okay...

 

[jye4ever]

That is funny.

Sure there is a huge physical visual difference of his fighting style from RO to his slow and stiff OT style but the way I look at it Vader's standing as cinemas greatest villain is now finally fully formed and complete and nothing more is needed.

He was always a bad ass standing still in the OT but always missing that one brutal show of his physical fighting force while in his suit.

He's not missing that anymore.

The circle is now complete, continuity be damned.

 

[karamazov80]

I admit to being biased, because I think the whole ending to Rogue One was blatant, and excessive fan service. In particular, the CG Leia was a terrible, terrible note to end that film on. It taints the Vader appearance retroactively. The Vader thing was just a nostalgia-driven sugar rush. About 2% of the audience seeing that film didn't know what happened next, so the movie going out of its way to connect those dots so carefully was totally unnecessary. But I know I'm in the minority here, and I'm glad that so many others haven't been totally worn out on the neo-nostalgia-tainment that we're bombarded with constantly. It's a good feeling when it works, though for me. . .



Gimme something creative and fresh, movie studios!!!

 

[jye4ever]

Nah I hear ya, it makes sense....Vader kicking ass then showing young Leia was all rather obnoxious wasn't it....














































kara is being snobby for no good reason.

 

[karamazov80]

The only thing they forgot to do was add a fully CG Han and Chewy running across Boba Fett and having a 30 minute CG shoot-out the good guys barely escape from, which ends with Han saying, "Chewy, we've gotta lay low for awhile. Hey, is that Tatooine? Perfect. I just hope we don't see Greedo! *both laugh together and fly towards the planet as the movie ends like a Ninja Turtles cartoon episode*"

 

[jye4ever]

Followed by a super zoom in from space of Luke looking up at the battle and of Obi-Wan's hut highlighted with a circle and arrow.

 

[Khev]

karamazov is just mad that Leia's eyes didn't glow yellow after she took the plans.

 

[DiFabio]

Still arguing about the legitimacy of Disney's Star Trek movies. Sad!

Nobody cares about the Rogue Five prequel movie anymore, it's all about Episode 8 baby.

 

[karamazov80]

Still arguing about the legitimacy of Disney's Star Trek movies. Sad!

Nobody cares about the Rogue Five prequel movie anymore, it's all about Episode 8 baby.

I think this is true, and highlights the fairly disposable nature of these things. Even if a movie makes a billion in the theaters, in 10 years it will be lost in the shuffle of the hundreds of other nostalgia-driven geek movies of this time period, and our kids may only vaguely be aware of them.

 

[jye4ever]

Was I any different when the 80's taught me?