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[woodsy]

BINGO!

Exactly. Sauron is about all that is left alive within 100 square miles. The scene is a quiet one, with only the hiss of escaping vapors and the deep rumble of Mt. Doom many miles away. The silence of the dead is "deafening", and Sauron's body language reflects the dark mood of the piece.
A change-out upraised right arm ( within this context ) would be out of place and would appear forced. If a change-out was provided, it would have to be subtle, but probably not worth doing cost-wise.
Now a change-out light-up ring arm with it's own battery power source would be very cool, and would perhaps be the best reason the make a change-out arm with a slightly different pose, but again, would drive up the price, but would be incredibly cool!

JV

Ok, let's try this one last time shall we?

A]. The 'one ring' prominently featured pose has been done before, and rather well I might add.

B]. There is a background story behind this painting [as there is with all paintings], and as Jerry has already clearly stated....the 'one ring' featured prominently, or Sauron exhibiting some kind of menacing pose wouldn't make any sense to the overall composition of his artwork. The advantage of being an artist is that it gives one the 'artistic licence' to create and portray a character in a manner they see fit, in accordance to their vision.

We, as the viewer can either agree with the artists interpretation, or disagree....and the choices are rather simply. If you agree with Jerry's vision and the execution of his artwork, then buy it. And the same holds true for the eventual PF.If you don't or cannot appreciate what Jerry has done, then save your money. But if anyone thinks SS is going to dramatically alter the pose of the PF at this time I'd say you are sadly mistaken.......if they didn't alter the pose of the GTG maquette, one which has featured significantly more 'pose' complaints, they aren't going to do it with this one.

 

[The Josh]

I think that the stage in the design/sculpting process where it would be most possible to make changes based on fan feedback is unfortunately the time when the fans haven't seen it yet and might not even know it exists. By the time it's ready to show to customers, it's very far along in the design process and any changes made based on feedback/response will be minor and cosmetic if they happen at all. This is not the time to brainstorm new posing/display options--that happened months ago behind closed doors.

We get photos after months and even years of development, and they aren't going to undo all of that work because of our varying comments. We might get a tweak, maybe, but not major revision that late in the game. I know we'd love to have input much earlier in the design process, but in the vast majority of cases, that's just not going to happen.

So I guess my point is that we shouldn't feel like Sideshow is ignoring us--it's just typically too late to make some of the changes we demand by the time we (sometimes a vocal minority) start demanding them. Sauron is not going to get a new pose at this stage. But I happen to like what we're getting and I believe this thing will be insane in person.

 

[willocrew]

Really? I must have missed the memo giving you full authority to decide what is an approprite or natural pose for Sauron. Maybe you can provide for the rest of a list of your qualifications in the fields of art, computer 3D imaging, and kinesiology.....until then I'll stick with the opinions of those actually in the position of making informed decisions, or at the very least those who know what they're talking about.

Yep you do that. My comments are for the ears of the sideshow artists how covertly grace these boards. My comments were never meant for you

 

[fuzzylojiks]

Ok, let's try this one last time shall we?

A]. The 'one ring' prominently featured pose has been done before, and rather well I might add.

B]. There is a background story behind this painting [as there is with all paintings], and as Jerry has already clearly stated....the 'one ring' featured prominently, or Sauron exhibiting some kind of menacing pose wouldn't make any sense to the overall composition of his artwork. The advantage of being an artist is that it gives one the 'artistic licence' to create and portray a character in a manner they see fit, in accordance to their vision.

We, as the viewer can either agree with the artists interpretation, or disagree....and the choices are rather simply. If you agree with Jerry's vision and the execution of his artwork, then buy it. And the same holds true for the eventual PF.If you don't or cannot appreciate what Jerry has done, then save your money. But if anyone thinks SS is going to dramatically alter the pose of the PF at this time I'd say you are sadly mistaken.......if they didn't alter the pose of the GTG maquette, one which has featured significantly more 'pose' complaints, they aren't going to do it with this one.

Well that's very true, and it's our artistic choices that give us the right as customers to make our voices heard as well. You can disagree or agree, and artists can hear our voices or not.

In the end, you are chiming in with your own opinion, and that's the most important thing about sharing on a message board.

All we can do is try, make our opinions heard and hope the artists listen. There is no reason to shoot down opinions about this piece positive or negative.

 

[FlyAndFight]

I always thought that the Sideshow Freaks board was a forum for collectors to discuss collectibles. I can't understand why some people feel the need to comment on another's "opinion" in a negative or condescending manner, as long as the original opinion was not insulting or derogatory in nature.

Many have posted that Jerry's artwork is fantastic (which I agree with) but that they would have preferred a different pose for the Premium Format figure, particularly with the bent leg. I was one of the first to comment on that detail as well. Is it wrong to make such a comment on a collectibles forum?? Regardless if SS can or even wants to make a change to the PF design, it should be possible for fans and collectors to discuss the design of the piece and what they would have preferred to see.

The painting is a completely different "piece" to the PF. They may be related in terms of composition but belongs in it's own and different thread (which it has). As for the PF of Sauron, I too would have preferred a more "classical" (for lack of a better term) pose. I've already described it earlier in the thread so won't go into details here.

If one has to revert to the "Like it- buy it / don't like it- don't buy it" defense, then they are just missing the whole point of a collectibles forum. That can be used in every single thread and would stifle any and all conversations regarding the pieces.

As for me, I'm still awaiting the official photos of the PF, but based on the supposed pose, and SS's previous poses with the Morgul Lord and Gandalf the White, I'll be passing on this piece as well, unfortunately.

 

[cstojano]

I always thought that the Sideshow Freaks board was a forum for collectors to discuss collectibles. I can't understand why some people feel the need to comment on another's "opinion" in a negative or condescending manner, as long as the original opinion was not insulting or derogatory in nature.

Many have posted that Jerry's artwork is fantastic (which I agree with) but that they would have preferred a different pose for the Premium Format figure, particularly with the bent leg. I was one of the first to comment on that detail as well. Is it wrong to make such a comment on a collectibles forum?? Regardless if SS can or even wants to make a change to the PF design, it should be possible for fans and collectors to discuss the design of the piece and what they would have preferred to see.

The painting is a completely different "piece" to the PF. They may be related in terms of composition but belongs in it's own and different thread (which it has). As for the PF of Sauron, I too would have preferred a more "classical" (for lack of a better term) pose. I've already described it earlier in the thread so won't go into details here.

If one has to revert to the "Like it- buy it / don't like it- don't buy it" defense, then they are just missing the whole point of a collectibles forum. That can be used in every single thread and would stifle any and all conversations regarding the pieces.

As for me, I'm still awaiting the official photos of the PF, but based on the supposed pose, and SS's previous poses with the Morgul Lord and Gandalf the White, I'll be passing on this piece as well, unfortunately.

I agree will all these points. The question is why? Why go with an awkward pose Sideshow? What does it do for you? This applies to GTW and ML PFs as well. The Gandalf maquette I sort of get as its part of the line to have action poses I suppose. JV mentioned context. How much context will the collector have for Sauron walking sideways downhill when the 3 foot tall statue is sitting in an Ikea case in someone's man cave. Again I'm not knocking the art but I don't see why SS takes the risks like this???

 

[fuzzylojiks]

Plus, Sauron PF is supposed to be able to displayed with the rest of the PFs hopefully with some continuity, and non of them are really walking downhill.

 

[The Josh]

I always thought that the Sideshow Freaks board was a forum for collectors to discuss collectibles. I can't understand why some people feel the need to comment on another's "opinion" in a negative or condescending manner, as long as the original opinion was not insulting or derogatory in nature.

There's nothing wrong with saying why you think someones opinion is wrong. Thats part of the discussion as long as it can stay constructive. If having someone tell you they think you're pov is off the mark bothers you it may be time to go live in a cave.

Plus, Sauron PF is supposed to be able to displayed with the rest of the PFs hopefully with some continuity, and non of them are really walking downhill.

Actually the black orc of Mordor is running downhill, Frodo is walking down steps, the berserker has one of his legs on a rock, GTG is coming down steps, etc.

Actually most of them are dealing with some kind of steps or angled hill.


I guess for me I think when you see this in 3D and I don't think it will be an exact dup the pose will look even better than it does in the print.

 

[Seaward]

Plus, Sauron PF is supposed to be able to displayed with the rest of the PFs hopefully with some continuity, and non of them are really walking downhill.

Frodo and Gandalf are examples of characters with an incline walking down steps though. I think those poses worked well, and I think Sauron will too. you can decide what you like about the artwork we have seen, and it may influence the sculpt to a significant degree, but I would wait to decide what you think about the actual sculpt until you see it. No need to get out of sorts over something that is only speculation at this point. It feels like we know more given the artwork sneak peek, but it may not be a one-for-one translation, the slope may not appear as it seems on the base, or the pose may surprise you when seen in three dimensions.

Who knows what the future holds for the statue this early in the game. It is good to voice your opinion though and let your preference be heard, but I would caution against too much speculation. It would be nice to think that some of our suggestions and opinions reach Sideshow and their development team, but I feel like it is better to just hang out and discuss cool LOTR stuff and our likes and dislikes with a pretty awesome group of people.

I forgot how awesome that SSW statue is, and it is hard to top that in any way, but I really prefer the idea that the artwork portrays Sauron directly from the front, and might make for an easier display. I can't wait to see more on this figure (or any new premium format news!)

 

[fuzzylojiks]

Actually the black orc of Mordor is running downhill, Frodo is walking down steps, the berserker has one of his legs on a rock, GTG is coming down steps, etc.

Actually most of them are dealing with some kind of steps or angled hill.

I guess for me I think when you see this in 3D and I don't think it will be an exact dup the pose will look even better than it does in the print.

Interesting, I was thinking of forming a dio versus Gandalf, Aragorn and Legolas but none of them are on an incline.

 

[The Josh]

Interesting, I was thinking of forming a dio versus Gandalf, Aragorn and Legolas but none of them are on an incline.

At first I was think you were right most of them would be on mostly flat but then I went through SS product pages for them and it flipped. Now, probably most of them are slight at most but they're not flat ground.

 

[Seaward]

It would be interesting to see Leggy, Gandalf and Aragon displayed "against" Sauron!

Display options are going to be so varied with this in the pipeline and the proposed ringwraith as well as a possible (probable?) completed Fellowship! Who or what gets to be the center of attention for a collection that would have all this cool stuff in it?

 

[The Josh]

Display options with a 2.5-3ft Sauron are gonna be fun to watch. As of now he'll be my only LOTR PF. Someday I'll go back and get Aragorn and get GTG. Plus a I'll probably get say a Gimli, Boromir, Theoden, and Eomer.

 

[Centurion]

This Sauron PF is gonna make me scour around for a Morgul Lord.

 

[Seaward]

Display options with a 2.5-3ft Sauron are gonna be fun to watch. As of now he'll be my only LOTR PF. Someday I'll go back and get Aragorn and get GTG. Plus a I'll probably get say a Gimli, Boromir, Theoden, and Eomer.

I've been a completist, but for a collector like yourself that is a little more more selective, would you display the statue and the artwork together? I think the different ways to go are going to make for some really interesting displays, and knowing people here, some really creative solutions to the oversized nature of this piece!!

 

[The Josh]

I've been a completist, but for a collector like yourself that is a little more more selective, would you display the statue and the artwork together? I think the different ways to go are going to make for some really interesting displays, and knowing people here, some really creative solutions to the oversized nature of this piece!!

I would like to display them together. Assuming that when things get worked out for my living situation I can. Plus I have other Jerry V LOTR prints I need to get framed and hung up.

 

[Entropy]

Like it loathe it Sideshow has a long track record of off balance poses. Clumsy and awkward to some, dynamic to others.

But personal pose & composition preferences aside, Jerry's work is outstanding, gorgeous and powerful as usual. I look forward to seeing how Sauron translates to 3D and discussing an actual statue rather than conjecture.

 

[paul white]

i will put the sauron at about $500 to $600
so you know its coming start saving and dont be dissapointed

 

[FlyAndFight]

There's nothing wrong with saying why you think someones opinion is wrong. Thats part of the discussion as long as it can stay constructive. If having someone tell you they think you're pov is off the mark bothers you it may be time to go live in a cave.

Huh???

Did you not understand what I wrote? Here, let me post it again and emphasize the part that you apparently missed:

Originally Posted by FlyAndFight

I always thought that the Sideshow Freaks board was a forum for collectors to discuss collectibles. I can't understand why some people feel the need to comment on another's "opinion" in a negative or condescending manner, as long as the original opinion was not insulting or derogatory in nature.

 

[The Josh]

We said the same thing I just read it wrong. I apologize for my mistake.