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[woodsy]

Won't be imaginary if you pair him with another PF to make a cool dio

That is true, but while some of the previous PF's do fit together nicely, none were deliberately meant to be displayed in "pairings". If you do want a mace-swinging Sauron there is the option of the dio. At approx. 1/10 scale it isn't quite the "statement piece" the PF is going to be, but is is very nice all the same.

 

[fuzzylojiks]

That is true, but while some of the previous PF's do fit together nicely, none were deliberately meant to be displayed in "pairings". If you do want a mace-swinging Sauron there is the option of the dio. At approx. 1/10 scale it isn't quite the "statement piece" the PF is going to be, but is is very nice all the same.

I'm sorry but the GtG, Legolas, Aragorn look great together and I'm sure they thought of us displaying them together like that. There is nothing wrong with creating a 1/4 dio of your own even SS stated that.

And while on the subject of things that "sicken" us, here's what sickens me. Guys who have a knowledge/understanding, and background in art you could fit in a thimble [with room to spare] insisting on dazzling the rest of us with their invaluable insights. Like I said before, everyone has the right to an opinion, but seriously, why would anyone want to share an opinion on a subject they know nothing about? Those doing so come off as looking lazy, stupid, or both....and why would anyone want to confirm for the rest of us, that which we have only suspected previously?

Dude, Jerry already said that there is room for change from his concept to the PF. Not that it really matters but I do have a background in art, anatomy and medicine, and critique of art is always good as long as it's not rude and I welcome it on mine. Besides we're talking about the PF not the art, which is wonderful.

No one is lazy, stupid of foolish for putting forth their opinion as long as it's in a constructive polite manner. We're all brought here by our love for LOTR and thus feel very passionate about it.

 

[woodsy]

I'm sorry but the GtG, Legolas, Aragorn look great together and I'm sure they thought of us displaying them together like that. There is nothing wrong with creating a 1/4 dio of your own even SS stated that.

No, there's nothing wrong with creating your own dio. and yes many look great together, but I highly doubt SS intended GTG and Legolas to be paired with Aragorn. I think the Moria-themed base of Gandalf and Legolas, as opposed to the Amon Hen base of Aragorn should pretty well lay that theory to rest. I think the fact Aragorn is wearing his Lothlorian cloak whereas Legolas is not is also a pretty good indicator that these statues are based on completed different scenes in the movie.

Dude, Jerry already said that there is room for change from his concept to the PF. Not that it really matters but I do have a background in art, anatomy and medicine, and critique of art is always good as long as it's not rude and I welcome it on mine. Besides we're talking about the PF not the art, which is wonderful.

No one is lazy, stupid of foolish for putting forth their opinion as long as it's in a constructive polite manner. We're all brought here by our love for LOTR and thus feel very passionate about it.

If it doesn't really matter, then why ask in the 1st place? But yes, I do have a pretty solid background in art. And while I do not have a background in human physiology Wrath does [as part of his occupation] and he has already confirmed the accuracy of Jerry's pose and that's good enough for me. I am hardly in a position to dispute him and doing so would only make me look foolish.....and that's something I personally try to avoid wherever possible.

 

[fuzzylojiks]

No, there's nothing wrong with creating your own dio. and yes many look great together, but I highly doubt SS intended GTG and Legolas to be paired with Aragorn. I think the Moria-themed base of Gandalf and Legolas, as opposed to the Amon Hen base of Aragorn should pretty well lay that theory to rest. I think the fact Aragorn is wearing his Lothlorian cloak whereas Legolas is not is also a pretty good indicator that these statues are based on completed different scenes in the movie.

You can really pair anything that you want up. Thus the fun of mix and matching and they look great together. : )

If it doesn't really matter, then why ask in the 1st place? But yes, I do have a pretty solid background in art. And while I do not have a background in human physiology Wrath does [as part of his occupation] and he has already confirmed the accuracy of Jerry's pose and that's good enough for me. I am hardly in a position to dispute him and doing so would only make me look foolish.....and that's something I personally try to avoid wherever possible.

There is nothing mechanically or anatomically wrong with his pose, just a matter of preference. It's not a dispute, you are taking it the wrong way, it's simply a preference of the PF (not the art) in a different pose. There is no dispute in this merely people stating their preferences bro. No one can possibly look foolish for stating their views politely. Respectfully Woodsy, the words you use are so combative, 'foolish, stupid, lazy, whining', I don't think anyone is trying to do any of that so pls stop using the insults

 

[Seaward]

I think the fact that all of these pieces can display really nicely alongside one another in so many combinations is pretty sweet. While I might see the bases and recognize Amon Hen, Moria, Lothlorien and more, but my wife sees Legolas and Aragorn, and wants to see Gimli on the same shelf! The combinations can be endless, and I have seen some cool displays that have Aragorn teed up against Lurtz, or Frodo and Gandalf together.

Sauron with or without pieces directly set with him will be an amazing centerpiece!!!

 

[fuzzylojiks]

I think the fact that all of these pieces can display really nicely alongside one another in so many combinations is pretty sweet. While I might see the bases and recognize Amon Hen, Moria, Lothlorien and more, but my wife sees Legolas and Aragorn, and wants to see Gimli on the same shelf! The combinations can be endless, and I have seen some cool displays that have Aragorn teed up against Lurtz, or Frodo and Gandalf together.

Sauron with or without pieces directly set with him will be an amazing centerpiece!!!

Exactly, they all look great on the same shelf!

 

[FrodoEyes]

Woodsy, no offense here, but your posts are coming across as very 'i have a background in art therefore i know more than you and my opinion matters more than yours.'

Yes, you have a background. Well done. Then surely you know 'art' is very subjective and is all about personal taste. Hell, someone made a sculpture of their messy bedroom, called it art and got it a display and world-wide fame!

I also agree with this:
'Respectfully Woodsy, the words you use are so combative, 'foolish, stupid, lazy, whining'
You can be just as bad and provocative as others you deem to have the same problem.

 

[cstojano]

Careful you may all get the official IGNORE button.

 

[Centurion]

I think the fact that all of these pieces can display really nicely alongside one another in so many combinations is pretty sweet. While I might see the bases and recognize Amon Hen, Moria, Lothlorien and more, but my wife sees Legolas and Aragorn, and wants to see Gimli on the same shelf! The combinations can be endless, and I have seen some cool displays that have Aragorn teed up against Lurtz, or Frodo and Gandalf together.

Sauron with or without pieces directly set with him will be an amazing centerpiece!!!

Agreed all around.

 

[DaveMac]

Does Sauron need a mace at all?

He could even be holding a Palantir with which he did far more damage!


Just a thought

 

[Geb]

Sauron with a Palantir...how about THAT for an EXCLUSIVE??

 

[DaveMac]

Sauron with a Palantir...how about THAT for an EXCLUSIVE??

No reason why not given his Lordship is still in the early stages of development ....(or is he? ). It wouldn't have to 'light up' either for me, just have a dark globe with a small Minas Tirith inside it

 

[fuzzylojiks]

Sauron with a Palantir...how about THAT for an EXCLUSIVE??

Sounds cool.

 

[Seaward]

A swap out Palantir would be neat, but I guess I would like Sauron as is. I don't know that I would switch out much, but a possible alternative could be the sword that is used by Sauron in the deleted scenes from ROTK EE.

I've stuck with the non-exclusives to save a couple of bucks, but the only one that I wish I picked up is the Moria Orc, as the change in helmet is so radically different. I like the other exlcusives too, but this one was almost like getting a different character. Same with the Gollum/Smeagol swap out.

 

[Centurion]

The Palantir sounds cool, but I would never choose that over his mace if we could have only 1 item.
Just like others have said, a swappable accessory would be nice.

 

[woodsy]

Woodsy, no offense here, but your posts are coming across as very 'i have a background in art therefore i know more than you and my opinion matters more than yours.'

Yes, you have a background. Well done. Then surely you know 'art' is very subjective and is all about personal taste. Hell, someone made a sculpture of their messy bedroom, called it art and got it a display and world-wide fame!

I also agree with this:
'Respectfully Woodsy, the words you use are so combative, 'foolish, stupid, lazy, whining'
You can be just as bad and provocative as others you deem to have the same problem.

No offense FE, but I think you're smart enough to figure out I was specifically asked if I had a background, and simply aswered the question. And I also think you're smart enough to know that an opinion based on knowledge, no matter what the subject, is more valuable than one based on ignorance.
Now you know full well I have always said art is subjective and based on personal preferences, which is why I never slam any forms of art, even those I do not particularly care for ie abstract art. I do not have the slightest problem with someone preferring the PF pose being different than Jerry's art, but when people start referring to aspects of Jerry's pose as being "weak and feminine" without stating why they feel that way, or without stating how that issue can be addressed....those comments have gone well beyond "constructive criticism" and they result in the poster appearing lazy and/or dumb.....sorry. It is one thing to say "there's something about the left leg I just don't like", it is quite another to say it looks "feminine and weak" because now you are making it personal. Just like when someone has the nerve to question Jerry's integrity by saying "you have to take everything he says with a grain of salt"........really? Is that anyone's ideal of 'constructive"? Is that the kind of "quality opinion" we really need around here?

Am I being combative?....absolutely! You've been around here longer than I have......you tell me how the nonsense of the last 10-12 pages of this thread ends. If your answer is something along the lines that it results in yet another artist deciding it's no longer worth the effort of participating with forum members around here....you would be CORRECT! No offense FE, but very few of the numerous artists that used to participate on this forum still do, and while you may not think as highly of Jerry's work [he didn't participate in the movies afterall ] as some of us, I think everyone can agree on the fact this forum is a better place with him, than without.
And please, if someone was to levy these types of comments at a Weta artist on a certain other forum.....you and a small army of other's would be all over the guy.....and my "combative comments" would look like a "stroll in the park" compared to what you and other's would be saying......just sayin'

 

[Seaward]

I also wonder how much of the base might be included or the detritus from the field as displayed in Jerry's artwork. Maybe the regular could come with second age numenorean and elven debris, and an exlcusive could have more antiquated armor. I just love the frontward facing pose, and I am looking to seeing the detail in 1/4 scale!

 

[fuzzylojiks]

Just report the posts that go too far, don't need to stoop to their level. So far I haven't seen many. As far as I've seen most of the posts have been respectful of Jerry's artwork.

 

[Centurion]

So far just members being very opinionated about JV's artwork.
Nothing wrong here.

 

[Adoptedscot]

Just report the posts that go too far, don't need to stoop to their level. So far I haven't seen many. As far as I've seen most of the posts have been respectful of Jerry's artwork.

The good thing about Ringers is they are (for the most part) a little more respectful to each other if being critical, unlike other sections of the forum.
So there's rarely altercations but if they happen and things goes too far just report and move on, then one of us can come in, catch up and kick butt where necessary

As for this PF, it is gonna be emmence and I can't wait for the reveal.
I don't collect bad guys but I have the SSW Statue (everyone's gotta have THE Lord of the Ring) so I hope this piece is as jaw dropping as we are all hoping it will be.

As always Jerry, stunning work and thanks for adding your comments and artistic process I have no doubt the print (which is awesome) will only enhance this PF when displaying .
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