Maul coming back was a stupid idea. I loved him as a character but he was definitely better off with a more mysterious background and persona. He's not nearly as interesting in the clone wars cartoon--I actually liked his brother better in animated form. Hanging with pirates and death watch and bounty hunters just seemed below him. Seeing him plead...no beg....for his life so cowardly was the cherry on top. It just did not seem like the character at all from the TPM.
Vader had a backstory as described by obi wan that sounded more flattering than it was. He glossed over all the selfish decisions, tantrums and power-trips and feelings of entitlement that Anakin displayed in Episode 2 and 3 especially. Throw that in with an actor who forced every piece of crappy dialogue with awkward camera presence--Vader suddenly looked way weaker than before imo. Way more manipulated. The OT made me feel Vader was a prized possession of the emperor who was wise as they come (just on the wrong side) and transformed into this powerful unstoppable jedi killer. But the PT made it clear that he got played like a fool pretty much his entire jedi career and after not being able to handle his hissyfits he got his ass handed to him and instead find out Vader is actually a handicap for the emperor. He had potential to be the greatest force user and duelist...and he ends up as the SW equivalent to the sith special olympics.
The clone wars cartoons (both of them) show a truly worthy pre-Vader Anakin. But it shouldn't have to rely on that. The movies either dropped the ball or were meant to make Vader seem far more human and quite short of the legend. The OT he's the man but the PT definitely knocked him down a few levels.
I mean even at his most evil, DB'ery, he's not even bad ass. He's supposed to hunt all these jedi and exterminate the order. What does he do in actuality? The clones take out the jedi and Vader kills little children (aside from sucker slicing mace). The one jedi he actually faces he loses 3 out of 4 limbs and ends up a "what if" in the potential department.
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Maul coming back was fine, nothing stupid about it. Him hanging with bounty hunters and pirates, do you expect him to sit alone in a corner the whole time? What do you expect him to do?
Now calling Vader "special olympics." He never looked weak during the PT, I am not sure where your "logic" is coming from. He was a boy. Then a teenager. He grew during the clone wars as one of the top five greatest Jedi and in Episode 3 takes down hundreds of Jedi and Dooku. He is not weak at all. You must not understand the story or wait, let me guess, only a movie watcher, never delve into any other source material. He battles Jedi in the temple, it is just not really shown, in the comics he hunts them down when he turned into the Vader we all know. He takes out nine in one fight and survives. He is the furthest thing from weak.
Palpatine should have killed Padme and manipulated it to look like the Jedi had done it. THAT would have been an obvious way to push Anakin over to the Dark Side and have him go after the Jedi with a vengeance.
As for Maul....I still think it would have been epic had he been turned into General Grievous (if you HAD to bring him back, that is).
I like these ideas. Would be interesting to see them play out.
Padmé's death scene is so stupid!
And Maul should have escaped Naboo after killing Qui-gon and they should have used him in the other PT films.
Wow, that would have been so anti climatic. He kills Qui-Gon why Obi Wan watches and then runs away?
Yup...maul is great for the imagination. But once they take that from you he's not as great of a character. I loved not knowing his backstory and about his relationship with Sidious. I liked not knowing the full extent of his power and wondering how the galaxy would have changed so much if Maul just finished Kenobi while he had him dangling.
He was the phantom afterall. But money talks. And maul's face is too iconic to stay dead.
I do think he could have been used more in the PT to good effect but it would have to be sparingly and intense when he showed up. The stakes had to be high. He should have killed a council member or two in episode 2 or something. So that when he finally meets his end, even if it is lame as ****, it would have high stakes feelings for the viewer when he arrived. That's better than insert new cool villain that will die a convenient horrible death in time to keep the story rolling for the next film flow they have.
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As I said before, would be interesting to see how it would have played out if Maul was alive. I still say Grievous could stay though, Palpatine is the Master, Maul the apprentice, Grievous the General, it could have all worked out.
Sounds like we will be getting Boba Fett's daughter played by Felicity Jones in Rogue One. Yup, the longer this franchise goes on the more it destroys the coolness of its mythos and characters with pointless backstories that we didn't need to see nor know about and all of the mystery and imagination that made them so appealing is lost and tarnished.
Well considering there were countless and countless books from the 80s, I am not sure what you mean. By your own logic, it was ruined way back then to, because of all the extra material, did you forget about those? Announcing more movie does not ruin Star Wars. It is a galaxy worth exploring.
All of this with regard to the new Han Solo movie. Nobody needs to see the Kessel run, don't care how he met Lando, don't want to see him drop Jabba's cargo. Nothing kills a character like exposition and the spelling out of every aspect of mystery.
Always thought Maul should have been the PT's Vader. The PT had Anakin Skywalker but no Vader-like overarching villain. Just a bunch of throw-away villains per movie.
We know nothing about the Han Solo, so why assume anything?
Not taking about you, but it will be real cute everyone annoyed with all these new movies still buying the figures.
When I was younger, I actually liked the PT... I was almost 18 when ROTS came out. As I grew older I disliked it more and more for all the reasons being stated. Maul was there for no other reason to be a cool looking villain that advances the plot.
Returning to Vader, the PT absolutely diminished him. I imagined Anakin as being similar to Richard Rahl, for anyone that's read the Sword of Truth series. As commanding and authoritative as Vader, but charismatic. A natural leader, the complete opposite of his persona as Vader, using fear and intimidation to rule. He struck down opposition with an iron fist, the muscle of the Empire... I always thought the exchange between Vader and Lando in ESB summed him up perfectly "I am altering the deal, pray I don't alter it any further." He answered only to Palpatine himself. The PT pretty much ruined this image... Anakin was a chump, whiny and moody. He wasn't the might of the Empire, "hunting down" the Jedi. As someone else said he killed children and was defeated by his former master as the clones took out most of the Jedi.
I already explained this, Vader is not weak and the PT does not diminish him, that is stupid to think.
I watch the clone wars cartoon on Netflix from time to time since my gf has a five year old who is a SW superfan in the making. I think they did wonderful with Anakin, Obi Wan, Dooku, Mace, Ashoka, Plo Koon , Kit Fisto. I thoroughly enjoyed Asajj Ventress before she went rogue as well as Savage Opress before Maul showed up. I realized then that it really didn't matter how Maul returned...nothing would satisfy the wonder that my imagination ran with back when TPM came out. Same with Boba Fett coming on the show.
If I watch TPM and then Maul on the clone wars it doesn't even feel like the same character. The film version was perfect. You felt like he was an ultra badass villain when those hangar doors opened and he confronted the entire group with no shed of fear or hesitation. He didn't need to throw in with pirates or crime families. I don't think the film version of Maul would have even conspired against Sidious until he truly mastered dark side power.
As cool as the fight scene between him and Pre Vizla was for Mandalore, it doesn't even look like how Maul fights. He was like every other thug in the cartoon just with a super powerful force using big brother.
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Well, he only got chopped in half yet you expect him to still be able to keep his fighting style? Seriously? His torso and legs are metal.
With Disney owning the property now, it's going to be milked for all it's worth. How often did we hear there'd be no Episode 7-9 and once it hits Disney, boom. Not only are we getting a new main trilogy, but now solo spin off movies at well. There's always been the EU with books and comics, but at least in Lucas' hands it seemed like TV/film would be confined to the 6 movies and Clone Wars because that's the only event not covered in any movie that is referenced in the movies, and I get feeling an urge to show those stories.
I just feel like shows like Rebels, the new trilogy and the spin off movies feel more like the studio can't come up with fresh new properties so they're looking to existing, lucrative ones to find more ways to make money off of.
I feel like the things being addressed in these new series aren't questions that have really been burning with fans for a long time. Many fans speculated for a long time about the Clone Wars, it was party of the mystery behind Luke's dad. I personally never felt a need for Episode 7-9, I'm intrigued by what I've seen, but I don't feel a need to have any story told anymore, everything I'd want to know about the characters and this world was deal with in 1-6. I always wanted the back story of the prequels, but for me it's all wrapped by the close of Jedi. I don't care where Han or Boba Fett came from or how the Rebel Alliance started, it's a pretty clear situation that doesn't need elaboration.
That said, I still want my new Maul figure.
Apparently Lucas was indeed working on a new trilogy before Disney called, so....
It's just that MY interpretation of Kenobi's throwaway line about the Clone Wars in Episode IV sparked a hell of a lot more imagination and fantasy with Jedi fighting Dark Jedi dopplegangers and betrayal rather than the juvenile tripe of stormtrooper clones fighting dumb battledroids. Some things are better left to the imagination than served up on a silver platter and having it spoiled.
Key word... Clone. What do expect when he says the clone wars?
Also, Disney and Netflix are in talks for four live action Star Wars TV Shows. More and more content is a good thing.
