Sideshow ESB/ROTJ Darth Vader

[Wor-Gar]

Isn't that guy on the left a little short for a Dancetrooper?

 

[Darthrazz]

Disney could well be worse...

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uh oh.

 

[Rorywan]

The root of all the problems with every SW prequel can be summed up in two words: George Lucas.

You know those people you hear about who have problems with plastic surgery, getting ugly procedure after ugly procedure? That's called going George Lucas.

Burning books or defacing art? Pulling a George Lucas.

Defecating in the toilet tank? Yeah, it USED to be called an upper decker, now it's a George Lucas.

Jesus? really?

God, I find all this "George Lucas ***** my childhood" stuff dull. Apart from the OT (which was also hit and miss in parts if we're really honest) he gave us some cool new stuff in the PT, even if the films themselves were ultimately flawed. Darth Maul, Grievous, Obi & Jango, Obi, Qui-Gon & Maul which is still the best lightsaber battle. ..a decent young Obi, some of the best CG of its time and some kick *** new Williams music. He paid for this ****, himself ? Why not appreciate the good bits and ignore the crap ****? I know I do the same with ROTJ?! Either that or just ignore the PT entirely, it's not really that hard. Point is, NONE of this would exist without Lucas, the good or the bad. Pixar? ILM? Some of the greatest innovations in fantasy film making? Have some respect.

 

[LoveMinusZero]

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Jesus? really?

God, I find all this "George Lucas ***** my childhood" stuff dull. Apart from the OT (which was also hit and miss in parts if we're really honest) he gave us some cool new stuff in the PT, even if the films themselves were ultimately flawed. Darth Maul, Grievous, Obi & Jango, Obi, Qui-Gon & Maul which is still the best lightsaber battle. ..a decent young Obi, some of the best CG of its time and some kick *** new Williams music. He paid for this ****, himself ? Why not appreciate the good bits and ignore the crap ****? I know I do the same with ROTJ?! Either that or just ignore the PT entirely, it's not really that hard. Point is, NONE of this would exist without Lucas, the good or the bad. Pixar? ILM? Some of the greatest innovations in fantasy film making? Have some respect.

I don't believe he ***** my childhood, I believe just he diminished Star Wars and his own legacy. The argument that I should thank him for making garbage is just as tiresome as the one that he "***** my childhood". So is the one that the OT is just as flawed. The OT is nowhere near perfect, but if someone can't see the differences between the two, I feel they have fan blinders on, that they're just being wilfully delusional. The only redeeming things I see in the PT are the things Lucas had the least to do with, the art and design. The work of people like Doug Chiang etc. The "cool new stuff" you mentioned. Yes, Lucas guided the process and picked what he wanted, but it's the work of those people that we see on screen. The "world" or Star Wars. The story and characters are truly bad and completely lifeless. These films would be forgotten already if they weren't in Star Wars land.

Anyways, sorry for the rant, I don't want to get into a prequel fight and have the mods crack the whip.

 

[Rorywan]

I agree with your post. But that's the point I was making, it's all about balance. Lucas neither ***** our childhoods nor needs/deserves to be thanked for making the prequels. He just made some cheesy sci-fi movies in the universe he created. Piper is comparing him to a book burner? Honestly? The man had done more for the movie industry than practically any other. Read the Making Of books.



Personally I'm fond of the prequels because of the artistry, design and music (in parts) and some pretty nifty sequences here and there. No one told me I had to like them. And to me they will never tarnish the OT. Did Ghostbusters 2 ruin the first one? Nope. What about Alien 4, Jaws 3,4,5,6,7 etc etc.

Maybe JJ really is the chosen one and will bring balance to the Star Wars series.

 

[Dinosoar Daz]

I blame Lawrence Kasdan! If he hadn't turned Lucas down to script the prequels.........

Anyway, still waiting for my waitlist to convert

 

[LoveMinusZero]

We agree, for the most part. The art and design are the reasons I still enjoy the prequels. If I could only take out the main story and characters I'd be happy, lol.

I don't don't think Piper is literally comparing Lucas to book burners, he's just making a joke. I think everyone who posts here has had an experience(s) with Piper rubbing them the wrong way, I have too, but he's just joking about book burnings and toilets.

 

[LoveMinusZero]

I blame Lawrence Kasdan! If he hadn't turned Lucas down to script the prequels.........

Anyway, still waiting for my waitlist to convert

Did that happen? I don't think I've heard that before.

 

[Dinosoar Daz]

Did that happen? I don't think I've heard that before.

I'm sure I read somewhere that he was approached but it's may just have been a rumor.
My post was also meant to be a wee bit humorous but my internet delivery sucks

 

[JediSword]

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Jesus? really?

God, I find all this "George Lucas ***** my childhood" stuff dull. Apart from the OT (which was also hit and miss in parts if we're really honest) he gave us some cool new stuff in the PT, even if the films themselves were ultimately flawed. Darth Maul, Grievous, Obi & Jango, Obi, Qui-Gon & Maul which is still the best lightsaber battle. ..a decent young Obi, some of the best CG of its time and some kick *** new Williams music. He paid for this ****, himself ? Why not appreciate the good bits and ignore the crap ****? I know I do the same with ROTJ?! Either that or just ignore the PT entirely, it's not really that hard. Point is, NONE of this would exist without Lucas, the good or the bad. Pixar? ILM? Some of the greatest innovations in fantasy film making? Have some respect.

Yeah me and my wife marathon'd the original trilogy recently. Great. Started watching 1 and 2 and they aren't as bad as I remembered. Watching on a 60" screen helps maybe and in Blu ray. The pod race, thw lightsaber duel (one of the best duels next to the one in 3) and just getting to see more SW is a plus for me. Our plan is to finish Clone Wars then watch Episode 3. The duel in Ep3 was directed by Spielberg. And you're right, ep6 isnt the best either (Lucas directed it). What I see is that the ones Lucas directs generally suck. The scenes seem dull the acting is boring and the on-screen chemistry he builds seems ingenuine. Whatever cant wait for Ep7.

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[anwe]

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Jesus? really?

God, I find all this "George Lucas ***** my childhood" stuff dull. /snip]

Actually I think most of us that really dislike the PT were nowhere near our childhoods at the time TPM came out.

If anything he probably made it a bit better.

 

[Pixelpiper]

There's simply nothing redeeming about the PT. It's easy to put any overacting or campy dialog aside, the OT had plenty of that too but still holds up despite it. You have to peel back the eye-candy (which was lame for the time - come on!) and look at the root problem. The story. You can't make something great out of a poor foundation. It's like trying to polish a turd.

"Star Wars" is always in AFI's top 100. None of the PT will ever be.

Because someone brought Pixar into this thread, the man that made Pixar great was not George Lucas, it was Steve Jobs. He was the one with the vision, PERIOD.

And guys, stop quoting complete posts - I wouldn't have even known Rory was still participating in this thread otherwise.

 

[LoveMinusZero]

Yeah, the story and characters are the main issue. As much as I enjoy the art and design that was done for the films, they can't save it.

 

[Darthrazz]

The duel in Ep3 was directed by Spielberg.

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I didn't know that. Is that true?

 

[Rorywan]

There are many redeeming features about the PT. In my opinion, see what I did there? I didn't state my view as fact. Because no ones single option is fact, to believe so shows serious sociological issues.

Are the PT movies great? No, I don't think so? Are they well written, acted, no, not particularly. Personally I admire the art, design and creativity that went into them.
There is only one truly great Star Wars Movie: Empire. That was a brilliantly conceived, shot, designed and performed piece of cinema magic. A classic. The first movie, is a close second but largely became what it is because of he ground breaking nature of its visuals and "new" approach to Sci-fi.

To say there are no redeeming factors whatsoever in the prequels is just ridiculous or shows a complete inability to appreciate art and design.

 

[SithThundercracker]

There is only one truly great Star Wars Movie: Empire. That was a brilliantly conceived, shot, designed and performed piece of cinema magic. A classic. The first movie, is a close second but largely became what it is because of he ground breaking nature of its visuals and "new" approach to Sci-fi.

(And I say it as a whole 6 movie saga lover)

 

[earthdog]

I didn't know that. Is that true?

I don't think he actually "directed" anything, he played with animatics in pre-viz and gave some ideas on this and a couple other sequences; Obiwan chasing Grevious and the Mace vs. Sidious duel too I think.

 

[JediSword]

I don't think he actually "directed" anything, he played with animatics in pre-viz and gave some ideas on this and a couple other sequences; Obiwan chasing Grevious and the Mace vs. Sidious duel too I think.

As far as I know Spielberg actually directed the sequence

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[Pixelpiper]

https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Steven_Spielberg "It's unclear…"

 

[IronFingaz]

Yeah me and my wife marathon'd the original trilogy recently. Great. Started watching 1 and 2 and they aren't as bad as I remembered. Watching on a 60" screen helps maybe and in Blu ray. The pod race, thw lightsaber duel (one of the best duels next to the one in 3) and just getting to see more SW is a plus for me. Our plan is to finish Clone Wars then watch Episode 3. The duel in Ep3 was directed by Spielberg. And you're right, ep6 isnt the best either (Lucas directed it). What I see is that the ones Lucas directs generally suck. The scenes seem dull the acting is boring and the on-screen chemistry he builds seems ingenuine. Whatever cant wait for Ep7.

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There's no pod race in the Original trilogy

And it was Richard Marquand who directed Return Of The Jedi