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One really, really wonders what Ellen Ripley would be like, had "Alien" been made today.

Oh.....I think we all know the answer to that question.

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But in all seriousness, if ALIEN was made today in the true spirit of the original movie, then the strong, empowered, take-no-**** leader of the crew would have been a woman, and the sole survivor would have been a meek male character. After all, ALIEN indeed "subverted expectations" when it was released. To do that today you'd have to flip the whole thing around again.
 
Actually people would hate alien if made today. It would be cgi and people would complain that it’s “woke garbage “ cause ripley survived and beat the alien while all the strong men died. I can see that drinker guys review now
 
She had a decent home, clean clothes, beautiful skin, hair, and teeth. Looked to me like she was doing just fine.

When people talk about Luke's suffering, they're talking mostly about getting his hand cut off. But in ANH he gets assaulted by sand people, accosted by aliens at the cantina, almost drowns in the trash compactor, then watches his mentor die, and he also loses his childhood best friend in the final battle.

Then he goes on to get savagely assaulted by a wampa and almost dies in the cold, crash lands his Snowspeeder, gets his *** thoroughly kicked by Darth Vader, losing a hand in the process, as well as having everything he ever believed ripped from him when Vader tells him the truth.

What "hardships" does Rey go through? What crippling defeat does she suffer, but brushes herself off and decides to go on? Oh right...none. Cause she's perfect and never grows or changes or even has a personality.

Your argument about Rey not being the ultimate Mary Sue is a BS argument.
Rey home was a broke down AT-AT. No heat no running water, and was alone with no friends. Luke lived on a farm with his aunt and uncle, and had friends in town.

Luke had great skin, hair, teeth too. Like almost every main character in movie and TV do since movies began, it's Hollywood not reality. This is a BS point to hammer on about.

Rey also saw her mentor (Han) murdered in front of her. She was raised by a dude who ran a company town. He lived off exploiting people, including her. She too is assaulted, but by locals. Instead of a trash compactor she's chased by a Rathtar. Now you got me on not seeing her childhood friend die, however considering she had no childhood friends I think that one is a wash. Force Awakens is mostly a clone of ANH including Rey's journey in that movie. Did she handle herself better then Luke? Well yeah duh she had a harder life then him, she had to learn to protect herself because she was alone.

Did Rey suffer as much physical abuse as Luke? No, not that we saw on screen, but that doesn't mean she didn't have struggles and defeats in the movies. Rey meets a childhood hero and watches him get killed. Meets another childhood hero and gets casually dismissed by him. Gets chased and tortured by a dude, then develops a relationship with him, goes to meet him sure that he will be on her side, only to have him turn her over to his boss, who then slaps her around and shows she's not as powerful as she thinks, then the dude she was she was there for saves her, only to have him later tell her she's not special and is nothing, and dude becomes the leader of a group that's out to kill half the galaxy. She finally gets training from a third childhood hero, and later that person dies too. She later finds her real Dad is the most evil and hated guy in the galaxy and has everything she ever believed ripped from her.

Now all that said do I think the ST movies good? No they were a mess and poorly written, mostly just copies of poor retellings of the OT. However, there is character work on the ST characters that get overlooked and hand waved off because the movies were overall bad. Rey is the prime example of this. She wasn't a Mary Sue, her struggles and defeats were just different the Luke's, despite the stories being similar.
 
(maybe Andor too but I admit it is a little boring on re-watch).
I haven't re-watched and to be honest, I may be in agreement that the series as a whole isn't really designed for re-watch. As an experience though, I love it so far. Truth is there isn't a lot outside of films with spectacle and action set-pieces that I re-watch, and even those not often fully.

I can't imagine re-visiting something like Mad Men, The Wire or The Sopranos, even though I loved those.
 
She should shelter herself in an empty island and yell at anyone who comes for her help. Only for her to die by using the force too much in the middle of the story
Only after the new kid shows up and beats her easily in a duel, tells her how wrong she is, and after she finds out Poe was killed by her last pupil and Finn's using the Force to drift through the vacuum of space. Oh, and the new kid who shows up on her island? Totally a Jar-Jar's descendent.
 
It seems at this very moment, after the performances from BOBF - Kenobi and Mando SS3, and new Rey movie. It is 100% safe to assume that, Favreau faction has officially conceded to KK and her minions in Lucasfilm version of Game of Thrones.

Gosh I hate that big mouth Doomcock guy
 
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Lol you mean that guy with the mask? I remember he kept saying KK was done and fired
 
O wait this is the hotel? Well yea nobody is paying 1000 a night for that. Rich or poor.
 
So much for all the sequel trilogy fans. Star Wars apparently can’t even keep a hotel even get a theatrical release now. Sorry, Rey was just a Mary Sue. So Kebron theory is Rey is not a Mary Sue because she gets dismissed? Or just gets Stockholm Syndrome ? Most of the paying public didn’t buy it or gets it. I loved Rogue One and Andor but that is just about it. Oh, and the first season or two of Mando.
 
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Actually people would hate alien if made today. It would be cgi and people would complain that it’s “woke garbage “ cause ripley survived and beat the alien while all the strong men died. I can see that drinker guys review now
I always said Alien was ahead of its time! :D

Seriously though, you are 100% right. It would get review bombed on Rotten Tomatoes.

But there is an issue with people on both sides of the equation here. Though there were always exceptions (glaring at Smokey and the Bandit. . .), generally speaking, it used to be an idea for a movie came from a place of creativity, and sometimes that would lead to a really unexpected and interesting film like Alien. Now, it's hard to find a major studio film that isn't trying to check a bunch of boxes for this or that reason. The Academy Awards is implementing a policy where if you can't prove that you are checking a bunch of equity-boxes (including some about sexual identity, which seems insanely intrusive and inappropriate to me) then you aren't eligible for consideration for an award. Maybe they aren't the best example because that awards show has almost always been a joke, but it's a very clear illustration of where things are going. They might as well give up the illusion that there is any art involved in most movies at all anymore. I wonder if the Coen Brothers, Tarantino, David Lynch, Wes Anderson, and a handful of others are the last bastion of true auteurs. The system simply can't allow that anymore.
 
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