I'm still curious what Trevorro's spider-frog was all about.
Somehow Rey Returned
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“Boy, oh boy! Can’t wait to see Palpatine defeated by having Force lightning deflected back at him for the FOURTH time!”
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Lol that’s so stupid looking
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I originally wrote this defense of Rey being endlessly attacked and referred to as a "Mary Sue" less than a year after the release of TFA, so some of my assumptions on where the character might be headed haven't quite borne out as I had hoped after the release of TLJ (like so many other hopes and dreams that TLJ decimated), but I stand by the major points. The ST was ultimately unsalvageable following TLJ's treatment of Luke, but Rey remains a character much maligned and seldom understood in the correct context, IMHO.
With that, I take you back to the spring of 2016 and the brilliant words of...uh....myself:
For all those thinking that Rey "picked up" on the Force powers too quickly, remember... There was no safety buffer or step by step given to Luke when Ben begins to train him. He famously tossed him the sabre and said hey, this thing was your father's see what you think of it. Just a short while later he got him BLINDFOLDED and asked to defend against the Attacks of the remote. It's not about leaning a course of study, it's about TRUSTING your feelings, FEELING the Force, ALLOWING it to GIUDE your actions and obey your commands.
Luke's issues, which were actually brilliantly brought out in ANH, were that he was too tied to the mundanities of his life, bogged down by his Uncle's philosophies and pragmatism to allow himself to "let go". Later, with the death of Owen and removal of all to which he was previously tethered, he swings in the opposite direction. His thirst for adventure, excitement (a Jedi craves not these things) similarly impede his deliverance to the nature of the Force to the point that Yoda fears he is untrainable. These personal elements within Luke are some of what makes him such a compelling character.
Now, flash forward to Rey. She is an absolute NATURAL. she is PATIENT in her meager situation on Jakku , putting up with a demeaning job and boss waiting for her family, she is CALM in the face of great danger, she is DESCIPLINED in all that she does and in the way that she's taught herself so many technical skills. With all of these qualities (and extreme hotness on top of it all), and the Force lineage that we'll soon see, the real wonder is that she's not already at MASTER level.
Keep in mind, there wasn't always a Jedi "Academy" at the top of a Jedi temple on Coruscsant. There had to have been Force sensitive individuals who came before who built all of that and didn't have the benefit of formal training (or any training at all) by a seasoned Jedi Master, Knight, or Padawan. I think Rey could be the new Chosen One with Luke as the new Yoda...
Q.E.D
With that, I take you back to the spring of 2016 and the brilliant words of...uh....myself:
For all those thinking that Rey "picked up" on the Force powers too quickly, remember... There was no safety buffer or step by step given to Luke when Ben begins to train him. He famously tossed him the sabre and said hey, this thing was your father's see what you think of it. Just a short while later he got him BLINDFOLDED and asked to defend against the Attacks of the remote. It's not about leaning a course of study, it's about TRUSTING your feelings, FEELING the Force, ALLOWING it to GIUDE your actions and obey your commands.
Luke's issues, which were actually brilliantly brought out in ANH, were that he was too tied to the mundanities of his life, bogged down by his Uncle's philosophies and pragmatism to allow himself to "let go". Later, with the death of Owen and removal of all to which he was previously tethered, he swings in the opposite direction. His thirst for adventure, excitement (a Jedi craves not these things) similarly impede his deliverance to the nature of the Force to the point that Yoda fears he is untrainable. These personal elements within Luke are some of what makes him such a compelling character.
Now, flash forward to Rey. She is an absolute NATURAL. she is PATIENT in her meager situation on Jakku , putting up with a demeaning job and boss waiting for her family, she is CALM in the face of great danger, she is DESCIPLINED in all that she does and in the way that she's taught herself so many technical skills. With all of these qualities (and extreme hotness on top of it all), and the Force lineage that we'll soon see, the real wonder is that she's not already at MASTER level.
Keep in mind, there wasn't always a Jedi "Academy" at the top of a Jedi temple on Coruscsant. There had to have been Force sensitive individuals who came before who built all of that and didn't have the benefit of formal training (or any training at all) by a seasoned Jedi Master, Knight, or Padawan. I think Rey could be the new Chosen One with Luke as the new Yoda...
Q.E.D
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Shoulda just stopped there and saved yourself all the rambling.
Yeah... I'm not so sure that particular "I told you so" works in the greater context.
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Yeah... I'm not so sure that particular "I told you so" works in the greater context.
I understand that point, but I still cling to the idea that there have to have been Force users to whom The Force flowed naturally. Call it the Will of the Force guiding these individuals toward their destinies if you follow QuiGon's disposition and view of The Force, or just a logical construct since there necessarily had to have been a time prior to Masters teaching Younglings when Force sensitive individuals began to wield their special powers.
And to whom would the force naturally flow? Pretty much to someone with exactly Rey's inherent and learned traits. So the idea that she was instantly great at everything Force related never bothered me like it did so many others.
The use of the Force bothers me since Disney got ahold of it. Holding back spaceships and flying through space. Speedwalking was bad enough.
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Never had an issue with her. Just wish they had put a decent script around her after TFA.
Late to the thread, but what terrible writing.
I do wonder if the script was written by an AI as that line was terrible. No real writer could have, would have written that line into a movie.
I was watching the Bloodsport Frank and Ray actually felt like friends. It happened over a 2 day span in the movie universe, but you got the sense they bonded.
You never got that sense with Finn and Poe. Well any character really. Same with Rogue 1...no one made you feel anything and that ending was terrible. I think that movie was terrible but it got a free pass.
I suspect, well more noticed, Youtube reviewers and MSM reviewers were aligned in reviews until 2015 or so. I think Youtube reviewers were simply following the MSM till that year give or take, hence people claim Force Awakens was good and same with Rogue One. It was before youtubers found their voice if that makes sense.
I just cannot believe, I DON'T believe they will make another movie. I think they announced it, but it will never be made. Disney has lost too much money to risk it on another Rey Sky...Sky...Skywalker
movie.
In the end the Emperor won. The Darkside wins and the Jedi lose. Modern Star Wars killed all Star Wars. If they kept it to the original 3....errr...6 movies and focused on another Story, we would still love Star Wars.
I do wonder if the script was written by an AI as that line was terrible. No real writer could have, would have written that line into a movie.
I was watching the Bloodsport Frank and Ray actually felt like friends. It happened over a 2 day span in the movie universe, but you got the sense they bonded.
You never got that sense with Finn and Poe. Well any character really. Same with Rogue 1...no one made you feel anything and that ending was terrible. I think that movie was terrible but it got a free pass.
I suspect, well more noticed, Youtube reviewers and MSM reviewers were aligned in reviews until 2015 or so. I think Youtube reviewers were simply following the MSM till that year give or take, hence people claim Force Awakens was good and same with Rogue One. It was before youtubers found their voice if that makes sense.
I just cannot believe, I DON'T believe they will make another movie. I think they announced it, but it will never be made. Disney has lost too much money to risk it on another Rey Sky...Sky...Skywalker
movie.In the end the Emperor won. The Darkside wins and the Jedi lose. Modern Star Wars killed all Star Wars. If they kept it to the original 3....errr...6 movies and focused on another Story, we would still love Star Wars.
Just a Huge NO, to the Rey movie. I have never had less empathy for a Star Wars Character than her. Not even JJ's Boyfriend Snap Wexley. Who from the moment he appeared I wanted him dead.
Just leave the whole Jedi/Skywalker thing alone. Then start a new Saga, a century or 2 afterwards.
Just leave the whole Jedi/Skywalker thing alone. Then start a new Saga, a century or 2 afterwards.
You ever heard the male power fantasy vs the female?I originally wrote this defense of Rey being endlessly attacked and referred to as a "Mary Sue" less than a year after the release of TFA, so some of my assumptions on where the character might be headed haven't quite borne out as I had hoped after the release of TLJ (like so many other hopes and dreams that TLJ decimated), but I stand by the major points. The ST was ultimately unsalvageable following TLJ's treatment of Luke, but Rey remains a character much maligned and seldom understood in the correct context, IMHO.
With that, I take you back to the spring of 2016 and the brilliant words of...uh....myself:
For all those thinking that Rey "picked up" on the Force powers too quickly, remember... There was no safety buffer or step by step given to Luke when Ben begins to train him. He famously tossed him the sabre and said hey, this thing was your father's see what you think of it. Just a short while later he got him BLINDFOLDED and asked to defend against the Attacks of the remote. It's not about leaning a course of study, it's about TRUSTING your feelings, FEELING the Force, ALLOWING it to GIUDE your actions and obey your commands.
Luke's issues, which were actually brilliantly brought out in ANH, were that he was too tied to the mundanities of his life, bogged down by his Uncle's philosophies and pragmatism to allow himself to "let go". Later, with the death of Owen and removal of all to which he was previously tethered, he swings in the opposite direction. His thirst for adventure, excitement (a Jedi craves not these things) similarly impede his deliverance to the nature of the Force to the point that Yoda fears he is untrainable. These personal elements within Luke are some of what makes him such a compelling character.
Now, flash forward to Rey. She is an absolute NATURAL. she is PATIENT in her meager situation on Jakku , putting up with a demeaning job and boss waiting for her family, she is CALM in the face of great danger, she is DESCIPLINED in all that she does and in the way that she's taught herself so many technical skills. With all of these qualities (and extreme hotness on top of it all), and the Force lineage that we'll soon see, the real wonder is that she's not already at MASTER level.
Keep in mind, there wasn't always a Jedi "Academy" at the top of a Jedi temple on Coruscsant. There had to have been Force sensitive individuals who came before who built all of that and didn't have the benefit of formal training (or any training at all) by a seasoned Jedi Master, Knight, or Padawan. I think Rey could be the new Chosen One with Luke as the new Yoda...
Q.E.D
Men want to save everyone, fight the bad guys and bring peace to themselves and the world. (Responsibility)
Women want to do anything they want to do without consequence without effort and get everything in the end without earning it...( No responsibility).
In almost every female centric movie...modern marvel/disney, you see these outcomes.
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I actually thought they were going to explain thoroughly as to why she’s so good. I thought the “force awakens” was meant to be that she remembers her past and being trained by Luke from a young age or being his daughter. To protect her she had her mind wiped and sent to a sand planet . But nope she was just …. Good at everything which was just terrible writing imo
But she has ... Da Force.
Broom Boy was also lame as Disney can be. If everyone is special, then no one is.
Broom Boy was also lame as Disney can be. If everyone is special, then no one is.
I kind of feel that's been held back a lot, makes sense if a Jedi can lift objects with the Force then they could lift themselves (fly) or others (all non-Force users would be vulnerable to lifting and throwing). Though that would be ridiculous to see them floating around everywhere so I'm glad they don't do that kind of thing.
But where does that stop? At vehicles, mountains, planets...?
Pops of energy am I willing to buy. Flicking a switch. Snatching a lightsaber even. Things a "ghost" might be able to do (if you believe in that sort of thing). Perhaps even distancing your leap -- as Vader did when he "flew" down to Luke in ESB.
The real problem started with Yoda lifting Luke's X-wing from the swamp. The natural progression to ridiculousness followed, as did its very uneven use.
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