Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[JAWS]

I'm going to play ajp here - would it have been good though? It would raise the question of why the hell didn't he intervene before Kylo became a mass murderer. At least this way it can be speculated there must have been some reason he didn't or couldn't appear to Ben Solo to stop him going down the path of the dark side. Though who knows what that reason would be

Yep....

 

[jye4ever]

Just give me my Snyder SW movie already with female Jedis in skimpy outfits.

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[Bo Shrek]

I watched the PT last week, first time since 2015. Now we all know that the PT are what they are but I will admit that AOTC came up on top.

 

[Khev]

That would have had...??? Zero emotional impact.

Yep. They would have destroyed one of the greatest scenes in the entire Saga for the sake of a little PT wankery. Next thing you know they'll be claiming that Mace Windu's ghost should have come to Luke's aid in the Death Star trench instead of Han.

 

[ajp4mgs]

I'm going to play ajp here - would it have been good though? It would raise the question of why the hell didn't he intervene before Kylo became a mass murderer. At least this way it can be speculated there must have been some reason he didn't or couldn't appear to Ben Solo to stop him going down the path of the dark side.

Though who knows what that reason would be

It can be as vague and simple as this: the dark side is extremely elusive, so it's difficult to know (even for Force ghosts) when it's being used to corrupt someone. Anakin's spirit could've simply been unable to perceive the dark forces at work on his grandson.

If the entire Jedi Council was oblivious to Chancellor Palpatine being a Sith, and to Anakin being corrupted, then it could actually be consistent that Luke, Leia, *and* Force ghosts would be oblivious to Ben Solo being turned too.

As to why Anakin never showed up to Kylo after he turned dark, maybe Force ghosts can only interact with those who they connected with when they were alive. I know that sounds silly and stupid, but it's consistent with every interaction in all of the movies so far. It could even be why Rey can only commune with the voices of Jedi who aren't Luke and Leia. I don't like it, but it could work if you want it to.

 

[Khev]

It can be as vague and simple as this: the dark side is extremely elusive, so it's difficult to know (even for Force ghosts) when it's being used to corrupt someone. Anakin's spirit could've simply been unable to perceive the dark forces at work on his grandson.

If the entire Jedi Council was oblivious to Chancellor Palpatine being a Sith, and to Anakin being corrupted, then it could actually be consistent that Luke, Leia, *and* Force ghosts would be oblivious to Ben Solo being turned too.

As to why Anakin never showed up to Kylo after he turned dark, maybe Force ghosts can only interact with those who they connected with when they were alive. I know that sounds silly and stupid, but it's consistent with every interaction in all of the movies so far. It could even be why Rey can only commune with the voices of Jedi who aren't Luke and Leia. I don't like it, but it could work if you want it to.

I like the idea that ghosts can only appear to living individuals who are open to interacting with that particular ghost. That alone explains why ghosts of one "side" can't just interact willy nilly with Force Users on the opposing side to disrupt and harass them. It would explain why Ben could only appear to Luke when he was alone or with Yoda ("if you face Vader you will do so alone, I cannot interfere") and why Yoda couldn't call lightning down on Snoke and so on.

As far as Anakin and Kylo we can assume that since Kylo was specifically attempting to commune with "Vader" (an entity who no longer existed) that that is why we wasn't receptive to any advice from Anakin. And then none of the other Jedi could help Rey until she herself learned how to be open to the ghosts of Jedi that she'd never met.

It would also make Luke's statement of "see ya round kid" one of hope that Kylo would eventually turn rather than a chastising threat of future harassment.

 

[ironwez20]

That would have had...??? Zero emotional impact.

For you maybe. But it makes sense because that?s the person who influenced him the most. His dad being a ghost is stupid

 

[ironwez20]

Yep. They would have destroyed one of the greatest scenes in the entire Saga for the sake of a little PT wankery. Next thing you know they'll be claiming that Mace Windu's ghost should have come to Luke's aid in the Death Star trench instead of Han.

Well they wanked off the OT enough for you guys so why not? Oops sorry. Liking the ST means disliking things that make sense within the story

 

[JAWS]

For you maybe. But it makes sense because that?s the person who influenced him the most. His dad being a ghost is stupid

Well you should be happy to know.. He was not a Ghost. Just Kylo running the most tramatic event of his life through his head. The Event that actually tore him and two and started his trip back to the light side.

 

[JAWS]

Well they wanked off the OT enough for you guys so why not? Oops sorry. Liking the ST means disliking things that make sense within the story

Anakin would have showed up and he would have been... "Who the **** are you?? "

Persoanlly I think that scene had way too much weight to it to have Anakin come back.

Most like that scene.. Even those that hate the ST usually admit this was a pretty great moment.

Like I said. Anakin Showing up would have had zero emotional weight to it. Kylo already knew that Vader turned from the dark side to become Anakin.. I have to assume somebody told him that story.. So what could he possibly say that Kylo didnt know?

Nah.. Emotionally the scene had Han and Leia. His parrents. That makes all the sense in the world.. Not some guy he never met.

 

[Prime Clone]

Next thing you know they'll be claiming that Mace Windu's ghost should have come to Luke's aid in the Death Star trench instead of Han.

Only Mace wasn't Luke's grandfather, and Luke hadn't been modelling his life on Mace.

Anakin would have showed up and he would have been... "Who the **** are you?? "

That would have been the point - seeing the true man behind the mask would show him the error of his ways.

It's not so absurd for his grandfather to appear to him rather than his father - especially when his grandfather had the greatest influence on his life at that point.

But yes, Han wasn't a ghost in that scene so I guess it's a moot point. It was more about Kylo's regret.

 

[Prime Clone]

I watched the PT last week, first time since 2015. Now we all know that the PT are what they are but I will admit that AOTC came up on top.

It is underappreciated. I put it above TPM but behind ROTS (as in, the prequels got progressively better until Ep III was ROTJ-level).

Also, I know the PT FX cop flak but these are pretty cool...

 

[Prime Clone]

Also, I just saw this recently. Does this mean the Kamino designs were done before they'd even settled on the Jedi costumes?

 

[Khev]

Okay so my son and I are well into Season 4 of TCW (holy crap those Citadel and Umbaran/General Krell episodes, so awesome!) but I wanted to take a moment to discuss the Mortis episodes from Season 3. First off I am very glad that that "planet" was not featured in Episode 9. For one thing in my mind it isn't even a real place but is instead a strange convergence of the Force in deep space that gave Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Ahsoka a shared vision. A vision of future events and themes.

One future event in particular being that of life being passed through a Skywalker and into the dead body of young female Jedi that he cared for, resurrecting her.

The mosaics on the ground on Mortis were also quite similar to the mosaics in the sanctuaries of Ahch-To. Not to mention the thematic similarities between the Father, son and daughter with ST Luke, Kylo, and Rey. A quick Google search shows that others picked up on that before me:

Cheating death, never fulfilled until the ST, the visions of Mortis, never fulfilled until the ST. I'll probably forever go back and forth on whether the PT/TCW is canon or not canon but I must admit that I quite like how it all ties together in the end.

 

[ironwez20]

Well you should be happy to know.. He was not a Ghost. Just Kylo running the most tramatic event of his life through his head. The Event that actually tore him and two and started his trip back to the light side.

Still was stupid as hell

 

[ironwez20]

Only Mace wasn't Luke's grandfather, and Luke hadn't been modelling his life on Mace.





That would have been the point - seeing the true man behind the mask would show him the error of his ways.

It's not so absurd for his grandfather to appear to him rather than his father - especially when his grandfather had the greatest influence on his life at that point.

But yes, Han wasn't a ghost in that scene so I guess it's a moot point. It was more about Kylo's regret.

This pretty much. Don't know why it's so hard to grasp

 

[ironwez20]

Okay so my son and I are well into Season 4 of TCW (holy crap those Citadel and Umbaran/General Krell episodes, so awesome!) but I wanted to take a moment to discuss the Mortis episodes from Season 3. First off I am very glad that that "planet" was not featured in Episode 9. For one thing in my mind it isn't even a real place but is instead a strange convergence of the Force in deep space that gave Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Ahsoka a shared vision. A vision of future events and themes.

One future event in particular being that of life being passed through a Skywalker and into the dead body of young female Jedi that he cared for, resurrecting her.

The mosaics on the ground on Mortis were also quite similar to the mosaics in the sanctuaries of Ahch-To. Not to mention the thematic similarities between the Father, son and daughter with ST Luke, Kylo, and Rey. A quick Google search shows that others picked up on that before me:

Cheating death, never fulfilled until the ST, the visions of Mortis, never fulfilled until the ST. I'll probably forever go back and forth on whether the PT/TCW is canon or not canon but I must admit that I quite like how it all ties together in the end.

Stop......just stop........

 

[aussiebottt]

Yep. They would have destroyed one of the greatest scenes in the entire Saga for the sake of a little PT wankery. Next thing you know they'll be claiming that Mace Windu's ghost should have come to Luke's aid in the Death Star trench instead of Han.

One of the greatest scenes in the entire saga? Hahaha talk about wanking....

 

[The Buffinator]

That said, the Ben & Han scene in TROS is one of the best of the trilogy.

Meh. I was watching BvS the other day and the scene where Clark walks to the mountaintop to talk with Jonathan's ghost/memory made me think of TROS and how they seemingly copied it for TROS. It wasn't even an original idea let alone a good one.

Both scenes were stupid. Should've used Hayden.

Nah, not even Hayden could match Costner's wooden performance in that scene. That guy hasn't conveyed emotion in a movie since asking his dad to play catch in Field Of Dreams....

 

[jye4ever]

Okay so my son and I are well into Season 4 of TCW (holy crap those Citadel and Umbaran/General Krell episodes, so awesome!) but I wanted to take a moment to discuss the Mortis episodes from Season 3. First off I am very glad that that "planet" was not featured in Episode 9. For one thing in my mind it isn't even a real place but is instead a strange convergence of the Force in deep space that gave Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Ahsoka a shared vision. A vision of future events and themes.

One future event in particular being that of life being passed through a Skywalker and into the dead body of young female Jedi that he cared for, resurrecting her.

The mosaics on the ground on Mortis were also quite similar to the mosaics in the sanctuaries of Ahch-To. Not to mention the thematic similarities between the Father, son and daughter with ST Luke, Kylo, and Rey. A quick Google search shows that others picked up on that before me:

Cheating death, never fulfilled until the ST, the visions of Mortis, never fulfilled until the ST. I'll probably forever go back and forth on whether the PT/TCW is canon or not canon but I must admit that I quite like how it all ties together in the end.

Poor TCW mortis diehards not realizing their hatred of ST was making them look foolish all along savage lol


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