Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[JAWS]

It?s really been khev and jye. This thread would ha e died long ago if they didn?t keep back and forth convincing themselves it?s good.
Then kick the pt fans hornets nest while also saying ROTJ was bad. So they really have been clever in keeping this thread alive.

The rest of the world forgot this existed and soon Disney will but the two of them desperately need something to hold onto cause they waited for this since the 70s and it sucked ass.

That?s why I?m not surprised khev was driven into madness from the sheer pain of these films

Says the guy with the 5th most posts in this thread

 

[ironwez20]

Why can?t JAWS be doomcock lol


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He?s the puppet master of this whole thing. He put khev in the suit

 

[ironwez20]

Says the guy with the 4th most posts in this thread

Dear lord fr? I think it must be my multi posting. But it?s mostly me destroying you guys over the PT so it?s not like I?m keeping the thread alive lol. And come on you know damn well every tine I reply it?s over some pt nonsense

 

[jye4ever]

100% agree.. I really don't want anymore post or pre empire films..



Yeah why not

How about the CockofDoom.

I found your costume

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[Wor-Gar]

And where.... is the Khev...?

 

[Prime Clone]

This guy has a point. I always considered TPM too kid-friendly but hadn't really considered the rest of the PT in this context...

 

[jye4ever]

This guy has a point. I always considered TPM too kid-friendly but hadn't really considered the rest of the PT in this context...

Confirmed why TPM and AOTC suck.

The guy is spot on.


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[JAWS]

I am trying to wrap my head around this. Most fans really claim to feel that Star Wars lost its way after Empire Strikes Back so I think more than anything it is misplaced loyalty to the feeling of experiencing ANH and ESB for the first time, the joy of buying those old Kenner figures...and really does not have anything to do with liking the movies in general. I think most Star Wars fans are actually fans of being Star Wars fans versus being fans of the Star Wars movies.

I love SW especially the OT.. I love SW and the OT so much that I liked each PT film the first couple of times I watched them.. As uncomfortable as the acting, directing and dialogue made me I still liked them.. Because they were SW.

Then I just could not get past how much I disliked AOTC and what they did with ninja Yoda and how Anakin really did nothing except kill some kids and get his butt beat by the only Jedi he came up against. How his wife died of a broken heart and how he was tricked into this all in the first place.. It all drove me crazy.

But I still loved SW and the OT.. So I still watched the PT because it was SW but it was non canon to me.

Then came TFA.. All I could think was WTF did everyone love it. Why?? You had this mary sue of a main character, you turned Han into an absente father, you had an unimaginative copy of ANH.. Why was it loved?

Then came TLJ.. I was out.. I lost all interest in SW.. Even the OT was being effected.. 5 straight films of subpar SW films.. Damn it!!!!

Then came TROS. Ultimately the film that saved the Skywalker saga for me. I dont know what to say. It rekindled my love for all things SW. I love the OT as much as I ever did. I found enjoyment out of TFA and excepted the PT for what it was / is. I started buying SW items again. Books and statues... I keep coming back to this thread.. Talking about this one movie. IDK what to say. With 4 viewings I still fully enjoy most of the movie with my only issues really being the stupid cave scene and the plot of the knife. Everything else was perfect for me.

I love that all questions in the film are not answered.. I love that I have to make up some head canon.. I use to do that with the OT before there was ever a PT or ST.

Yes I would have loved if the TFA hinted at the Emperor always being there (I know many don't like that but it brings it full circle for me) that way it would not have felt so forced.

But I fully enjoy the film. Its not perfect just like most of the films are not.

But being a SW fan goes a bit deeper then the films. Its the Universe.

I have said it before and I will say it again.

Nobody gives the PT the time of day if its not a SW film. Not with that acting, scripts, and direction.. Those movies would have stopped after TPM. You know how I know that.. John Carter of Mars.. That's how

Same thing goes for the ST. The lack of imagination with TFA would have put that film DOA.

But they ARE SW films.. We love the universe and the way the OT made us feel.

Its that love that makes us so angry when things don't go our way and meet our expectations.. its why we continue coming back even when those expectations are not met.

Its why this thread has over 20,000 replies while Endgame only has 7000.

 

[JAWS]

Dear lord fr? I think it must be my multi posting. But it?s mostly me destroying you guys over the PT so it?s not like I?m keeping the thread alive lol. And come on you know damn well every tine I reply it?s over some pt nonsense

Come on.. No its not... You have plenty of post that have nothing to do with the PT.. You just get your panties in a bunch because you are a PT apologist and I just cant accept someone crapping on the ST when they are such advocates for any of the PT So I have to pile on the PT.

Even though I like one of the PT films more then 2 of the ST films

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Nice!!! CockofDoom!!!!!!

Confirmed why TPM and AOTC suck.

The guy is spot on.


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But TPM is good!!!!!

 

[JAWS]

This guy has a point. I always considered TPM too kid-friendly but hadn't really considered the rest of the PT in this context...

Its not the overall story that is the problem with the PT. Its the directing / Acting / and script.

Here you go..

If the PT had the acting, directing, dialogue and FX of the ST along with a few small script changed then you would have a trilogy that might rival or even best the OT.

 

[Wor-Gar]

People justifying the childishness of a movie because a child shows up half way through.

Lucas never called TPM the "childish one". And he didn't call AOTC the "teen angst one"; he actually called it the "Romantic one".


Star Wars has just become the Justification Juggernaut -- unsatisfying movies that the audience is left to fix for themselves.

 

[JAWS]

Its not the overall story that is the problem with the PT. Its the directing / Acting / and script.

Here you go..

If the PT had the acting, directing, dialogue and FX of the ST along with a few small script changed then you would have a trilogy that might rival or even best the OT.

Let me add onto this and this will give you PT fans a win from me.

Even with some script changes and fixing a lot of the issues with TLJ and having Rey learn the force and making Luke more of a traditional hero..

I don't think the ST could rival the OT.

So yes.. The PT has the overall better story. Its EPIC story. Its such a great story that it would take an idiot to screw it up. The type of idiot that would have Greedo shoot first.

 

[jal76]

I love SW especially the OT.. I love SW and the OT so much that I liked each PT film the first couple of times I watched them.. As uncomfortable as the acting, directing and dialogue made me I still liked them.. Because they were SW.

Then I just could not get past how much I disliked AOTC and what they did with ninja Yoda and how Anakin really did nothing except kill some kids and get his butt beat by the only Jedi he came up against. How his wife died of a broken heart and how he was tricked into this all in the first place.. It all drove me crazy.

But I still loved SW and the OT.. So I still watched the PT because it was SW but it was non canon to me.

Then came TFA.. All I could think was WTF did everyone love it. Why?? You had this mary sue of a main character, you turned Han into an absente father, you had an unimaginative copy of ANH.. Why was it loved?

Then came TLJ.. I was out.. I lost all interest in SW.. Even the OT was being effected.. 5 straight films of subpar SW films.. Damn it!!!!

Then came TROS. Ultimately the film that saved the Skywalker saga for me. I dont know what to say. It rekindled my love for all things SW. I love the OT as much as I ever did. I found enjoyment out of TFA and excepted the PT for what it was / is. I started buying SW items again. Books and statues... I keep coming back to this thread.. Talking about this one movie. IDK what to say. With 4 viewings I still fully enjoy most of the movie with my only issues really being the stupid cave scene and the plot of the knife. Everything else was perfect for me.

I love that all questions in the film are not answered.. I love that I have to make up some head canon.. I use to do that with the OT before there was ever a PT or ST.

Yes I would have loved if the TFA hinted at the Emperor always being there (I know many don't like that but it brings it full circle for me) that way it would not have felt so forced.

But I fully enjoy the film. Its not perfect just like most of the films are not.

But being a SW fan goes a bit deeper then the films. Its the Universe.

I have said it before and I will say it again.

Nobody gives the PT the time of day if its not a SW film. Not with that acting, scripts, and direction.. Those movies would have stopped after TPM. You know how I know that.. John Carter of Mars.. That's how

Same thing goes for the ST. The lack of imagination with TFA would have put that film DOA.

But they ARE SW films.. We love the universe and the way the OT made us feel.

Its that love that makes us so angry when things don't go our way and meet our expectations.. its why we continue coming back even when those expectations are not met.

Its why this thread has over 20,000 replies while Endgame only has 7000.

Everything that you say here is right on and makes perfect sense. It truly captures almost exactly what I feel about Star Wars...until you get to TROS???
I am simultaneously fascinated and confused by how anything in that movie could have reinvigorated your love of Star Wars.
I can understand seeing the movie as being harmless, inoffensive, even mildly enjoyable...but the film is so lacking in substance and weight...lacks any major set pieces or ?wow? moments...I just cannot see what in that movie made such an impact on you that all of the damage that had been done since TPM in 1999 was erased?
Seriously...what in the world is the saving grace of TROS?
I wonder if you are just experiencing what you described you were doing with your first viewings of the PT.
I don?t know you well enough to presume to know what you like but maybe it was just too painful to watch the entire Star Wars saga get debunked and exposed as being a failed storytelling enterprise so you may have convinced yourself that something is there that actually isn?t?

 

[JAWS]

People justifying the childishness of a movie because a child shows up half way through.

Star Wars has just become the Justification Juggernaut -- unsatisfying movies that the audience is left to fix for themselves.

He is saying its childish because Anakin is a child and Jar Jar shows up in the first 15 min to make sure its a childish movie..

having said that.. Other then Jar Jar and Anakin being a kid.. There is nothing Childish about this film. After all its main plot revolves around trade federations and Senate hearings

 

[Wor-Gar]

I know why he said it. I'm saying its a poor justification.

And it is not the genius of Lucas discovered. Lucas never called TPM the "childish one". And he didn't call AOTC the "teen angst one"; he actually called it the "Romantic one".

 

[jye4ever]

ANH should have ended with Luke having to force the empire to pay the capital gains tax they incurred from selling his moisture farm.


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[Wor-Gar]

Now that's too childish.

 

[Prime Clone]

So yes.. The PT has the overall better story. Its EPIC story. Its such a great story that it would take an idiot to screw it up. The type of idiot that would have Greedo shoot first.

Like I always say...

PT = more original
ST = better executed

ANH should have ended with Luke having to force the empire to pay the capital gains tax they incurred from selling his moisture farm.

The politicking of the PT never bothered me, as it was alluded to in the prologue of the original SW novelisation.

 

[a-dev]

The MCU, as a cinematic achievement, is vastly superior to anything Star Wars has been since the early 1980s. The Infinity War and Endgame double-bill defecates on the Star Wars PT and ST from on high. Really only Rogue One's third act can compete for the sheer exhilaration that those two movies delivered.

Y'know what though, I do get it. Sometimes there's just more to say about crappy movies than good ones. Same can apply in the domain of toys and collectibles.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Infinity War and Endgame double-bill defecates on the Star Wars PT and ST ...

And he has detailed files.