Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[ajp4mgs]

Is the Lucas Cut going to save TROS the same way that his final SE cuts saved the OT?

You know what I love about that video? The delicious irony that this doomcock guy is mortified to not get a "Lucas cut" of TROS where Leia uses *TLJ Force projection* and dies because of it.

I've spent the last 2+ years reading and hearing these people ***** and moan about Force projection, about Force projection being lethal, and how Lucas would never do such a thing. Now they're gonna cry about not having the privilege of seeing it in a "Lucas cut" of TROS? GTFO.

Shouldn't doomcock be describing any rumored scene like this with outrage over the idea of George Lucas using Rian Johnson's ideas?

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

I certainly don't need to see a nude 70+ Arnold land on Jakku, but I would stand the horror if he killed Rey and prevented/retconned away the ST...[emoji38]

I'm not sure "this is the way" Favreau will go about it though.

 

[JAWS]

That's what hit me about the final episode of the seventh season.

The Prequel Trilogy, on the contrary, was devoid of emotion because the characterization was so poor - especially Anakin and the fake-feeling Anakin/Obi wan relationship. Then there's Natalie's sometimes questionable acting.

For its faults, the Clone Wars did sometimes find a way to tap into the emotional pull of Star Wars. As with live action, it's in the interaction between characters rather than the actual 'star wars' themselves.

I agree with Carrie part but she was not in the PT.. The rest needed fixing. Much more accurate now

 

[TheDucky]

I said it was more about the art and scenery than the stories. So much of the clones story is their boring gung-ho GI Joe battles - and the Bad Batch was the utter worst that kind of story could offer. These will be the SJW heroes going forward - the misfit rejects, divergent from the established norms of their society, who are actually more like super heroes and thus better equipped than the norm. As soon as they appeared though, they struck me as too on the nose, too cliched.

The final story arc was a good one - I wrote final episode instead of final arc before - but throughout the first six seasons I wasn't much interested in the clones themselves. It's a series I watched completely, but many of the episodes were a chore to get through.

Modern Star Wars is also Solo, Rogue One and The Mandalorian, and they're an indication that the people behind them have a grasp of what Star Wars was originally like. Solo and The Mandalorian, in particular, feel like good old expanded universe novels - from a time when they were still close to the source itself.

By Modern Star Wars, I mean KK-Less Star Wars. So, The Clone Wars and The Mandalorian, which are by far the most popular, well received, beloved content since Revenge of the Sith.

That's what hit me about the final episode of the seventh season.

The Sequel Trilogy, on the contrary, was devoid of emotion because the characterisation was so poor - especially Kylo and the fake-feeling Kylo/Han relationship. Then there's Daisy's sometimes questionable acting, and Carrie's inability to put in a worthy performance, either due to the plastic surgery or drugs inhibiting her speech, or because she passed away too soon.

For its faults, the Clone Wars did sometimes find a way to tap into the emotional pull of Star Wars. As with live action, it's in the interaction between characters rather than the actual 'star wars' themselves.

Yup. Don’t forget the weird forced Twilight/50 Shades romance/attraction between Rey/Kylo.

I agree with Carrie part but she was not in the PT.. The rest needed fixing. Much more accurate now

Always gotta drag the PT into this...

 

[jal76]

By Modern Star Wars, I mean KK-Less Star Wars. So, The Clone Wars and The Mandalorian, which are by far the most popular, well received, beloved content since Revenge of the Sith.



Yup. Don?t forget the weird forced Twilight/50 Shades romance/attraction between Rey/Kylo.



Always gotta drag the PT into this...

In a sea of some really terrible terrible decisions Lucasfilm?s decision to turn Star Wars into a YA romance story in an apparent effort to build a new fan base of 13 year old girls and frustrated single millennials was the worst decision of all. Sadly anything that is aimed at this crowd is not for me so they can have it and I have to move on to other things.

 

[Prime Clone]

Not only that, they seemed to be actively alienating the existing Gen X fanbase. Why not try for both?

 

[JAWS]

Always gotta drag the PT into this...

Why not if the shoe fits?

At this point this thread has become a SW thread.. TCW, Mandalorian, OT, and PT are all being discussed here. So all is fair game..

I cant remember if Asta is a PT fan or not but there are plenty here so if I read something aimed at the ST that could be said about the PT I am going to point it out. There are plenty of PT apologist here who read or say something like that and think... "Yeah thats right" and then crying foul if you point out the same can be said about the PT. I mean like literally..

Its not because I hate the PT.. Just pointing out that neither trilogy are high art.

If you think both are problematic, like both, or prefer one over the other then fine... But the PT are poorly made films in every sense of the word. The story may be better but if you **** up telling the story then what do you have? The PT that's what.

ST are well made films with huge plot holes, dumb ideas, some PT type moments (canto bight) and no consistent really well told story. They have an average first chapter, a ****ed up second one and and a trying to make everyone happy third... So IMHO neither trilogy is better or worse from a film making stand point.

You got to pick you poison.

I'm screwed cause I drink some of both.

I said it before .. take the story of the PT and fill it with the actors, the dialogue, the directors, and FX of the ST and you would have a trilogy that could rival the OT.

Instead you have two misfires that end up not fit to lick the bottom of the OT's shoes.


You been gone for awhile Ducky.. Go back and read some of my posts.. I do believe that i said the PT is over all the better trilogy. I just happen to like TROS more then any of the other films in the PT and ST.

 

[JAWS]

In a sea of some really terrible terrible decisions Lucasfilm?s decision to turn Star Wars into a YA romance story in an apparent effort to build a new fan base of 13 year old girls and frustrated single millennials was the worst decision of all. Sadly anything that is aimed at this crowd is not for me so they can have it and I have to move on to other things.

Whats funny... I did not know there was a Reylo group out there until the end of TROS and coming here on this thread.

So that kiss really came out of nowhere for me.

I mean I figured there was no way Kylo survived the trilogy so I always assumed that Rey was gonna end up with Finn. It is what the first film seemed to be setting up. It is what should have happened. They both had real chemistry.. Maybe Lucasfilm isn't as woke as they thought they were and were afraid of the audience reaction of their Princess being with a Black man.

 

[JAWS]

The worst parts of The Clone Wars cartoons were the clones.

The Bad Batch were one of those bad cartoon cliches that make you thankful for the fast forward button.

Agreed.. Far and away my least fav episodes focused on the clones. Well accept the fifth season's 4 episode arc about the Droids and the Frog looking General... Oh my that was ruff.. There was a bad arc about younglings finding their Saber crystals also.

 

[JAWS]

Man my son and I were plowing through TCW and I was really enjoying it for the most part but I just hit a huge wall with Season 5 where Darth Maul returns and teams up with his brother. Ugh. Just not very compelling. How long does this go on? I haven't revisited the show in like 2-3 weeks because of that which is weird because I loved Maul in the final season.

I liked the Maul and his Brother stuff.. Keep watching it has a pretty cool conclusion IMO.

 

[Asta]

I cant remember if Asta is a PT fan or not but there are plenty here so if I read something aimed at the ST that could be said about the PT I am going to point it out. There are plenty of PT apologist here who read or say something like that and think... "Yeah thats right" and then crying foul if you point out the same can be said about the PT. I mean like literally..

Its not because I hate the PT.. Just pointing out that neither trilogy are high art.

If you think both are problematic, like both, or prefer one over the other then fine... But the PT are poorly made films in every sense of the word. The story may be better but if you **** up telling the story then what do you have? The PT that's what.

ST are well made films with huge plot holes, dumb ideas, some PT type moments (canto bight) and no consistent really well told story. They have an average first chapter, a ****ed up second one and and a trying to make everyone happy third... So IMHO neither trilogy is better or worse from a film making stand point.

You got to pick you poison.

No, I consider the PT excess baggage. If the plane wasn't going to make it over the mountain and needed to save weight, I'd throw out the Sequel Trilogy first. If that wasn't enough then the Prequel Trilogy would be next.

If the situation was still desperate the two Ewok movies and the Holiday Special will have to go as well.

 

[The Buffinator]

No, I consider the PT excess baggage. If the plane wasn't going to make it over the mountain and needed to save weight, I'd throw out the Sequel Trilogy first. If that wasn't enough then the Prequel Trilogy would be next.

If the situation was still desperate the two Ewok movies and the Holiday Special will have to go as well.

The best move might be to just grab the last parachute and bail on the lot...

 

[Asta]

The best move might be to just grab the last parachute and bail on the lot...

I'm going to stay on board with the OT, Solo, Rogue One and The Mandalorian....

...and hope we don't all crash into the mountain.

 

[jal76]

The best move might be to just grab the last parachute and bail on the lot...

This! Without even consciously planning to I think this is what I ended up doing after the end credits rolled on TROS and the realization sank in that the last TWENTY YEARS of Star Wars had amounted to only bad and mediocre movies at best.
If I picked up an 11 chapter book...loved the first three chapters and then by chapter 4 the book became terrible all the way to the end. I would just consider it to be a bad book and move on.
Maybe I would want to lie to myself about the rest of the chapters to fight off my disappointment about how good I thought the book was going to be...but in the end it would just be a bad book.

 

[Asta]

This! Without even consciously planning to I think this is what I ended up doing after the end credits rolled on TROS and the realization sank in that the last TWENTY YEARS of Star Wars had amounted to only bad and mediocre movies at best.
If I picked up an 11 chapter book...loved the first three chapters and then by chapter 4 the book became terrible all the way to the end. I would just consider it to be a bad book and move on.
Maybe I would want to lie to myself about the rest of the chapters to fight off my disappointment about how good I thought the book was going to be...but in the end it would just be a bad book.

You really bailed on all of Star Wars? (Or just the last twenty years?)

A book is generally the work of one author. All these films over the last forty odd years are the product of numerous authors.

If the Sequel Trilogy were a meal you could say it was spoiled because too many cooks had a hand in its preparation, and they either all had different versions of the recipe, or had no idea what meal they were meant to be making.


I can't eat all of it. I'd end up like Mr. Creosote.




If I was to load all of Star Wars onto that aeroplane, including all the cartoons, books and comics... I'd need a bigger aeroplane.

 

[jye4ever]

Alden is now saying we will see him as Solo again.

Not that we will specifically see a Solo 2 just that we will see him as Solo again.

Umm cool.

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[Asta]

Alden is now saying we will see him as Solo again.

Not that we will specifically see a Solo 2 just that we will see him as Solo again.

Umm cool.

After 'Solo,' Alden Ehrenreich Hasn't Been Keeping Up with the 'Star Wars' Franchise
The actor says he's heard some minor rumblings about returning to "Star Wars" as a younger Han Solo.

Zack Sharf

Jul 14, 2020 4:58 pm

@zsharf


The critical pans that eviscerated ?Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker? last December made the reviews for 'Solo: A Star Wars Story' appear glowing by comparison. While history largely remembers the 2018 Ron Howard-directed ?Star Wars? spinoff as a flop, reviews for ?Solo? were mixed to positive (70% on Rotten Tomatoes) and it was just the lackluster box office ($393 million worldwide) that made the film a misfire. Why the bad box office? The answer probably has more to do with ?Solo? arriving in theaters mere months after ?Star Wars: The Last Jedi? than it does with reviews. In a new Esquire interview, ?Solo? star Alden Ehrenreich says he wouldn?t rule out a return.

?It depends on what it is,? Ehrenreich answered when asked about returning to the big or small screen as Han Solo. ?It depends on how it?s done. It depends if it feels innate to the story.?

While he?s open to returning under the right circumstances, Ehrenreich said there are no official plans for a ?Solo? sequel in the cards. ?No, I don?t know anything about that,? he said. ?I mean, you know, I think our movie was kind of the last of the conventional-era Star Wars movie release time.?

Ehrenreich more or less disappeared from Hollywood in the two years following the ?Solo? release. While some actors might have tried to turn the mega-exposure of leading a ?Star Wars? movie into more roles and projects, Ehrenreich made the active choice to remove himself from the spotlight.

?It was basically a three-year experience from pre-production to the release of the movie,? the actor told Esquire, ?and I just wanted to be a person, connect with people in my life, spend time and develop as a person outside of those worlds. And then you never know.?

One thing Ehrenreich did not do in the two years since ?Solo? opened is keep up with the ?Star Wars? franchise. The actor revealed he has not seen ?The Rise of Skywalker,? and he wasn?t even sure about the name of the Disney+ ?Star Wars? television series ?The Mandalorian.? When the TV series was brought up, Ehrenreich asked the reporter, ??The Mandalorian,? that?s what it?s called??

Given the fallout that came with ?Solo,? it?s understandable why Ehrenreich might not want to stay up to date on all things ?Star Wars.? While he has no current plans to return as Han Solo, the actor did mention he?s heard some rumors about happenings in the ?Star Wars? world that could see him back on screen in the role made famous by Harrison Ford. ?I?ve heard [some] stuff, but nothing concrete,? he said.

After his two-year break following ?Solo,? Ehrenreich is returning as the lead in Peacock?s original streaming series ?Brave New World.? The show begins streaming July 15, the same day Peacock launches in the U.S. Head over to Esquire?s website to read Ehrenreich?s latest profile

https://www.indiewire.com/2020/07/solo-misfire-alden-ehrenreich-hasnt-watched-star-wars-1234573970/

 

[Wor-Gar]

Alden is now saying we will see him as Solo again.

Not that we will specifically see a Solo 2 just that we will see him as Solo again.

Umm cool.

It will be the very first time Han was in Carbonite, about 10 years before ANH -- yes, the big 'what' is that ESB is his 2nd time. Mando will walk passed him while paying a visit to Jabba in Season 2.

 

[Khev]

Alden is now saying we will see him as Solo again.

Not that we will specifically see a Solo 2 just that we will see him as Solo again.

Umm cool.

Yep I think I'd actually be more excited about him getting his own series than more Mando.

 

[Khev]

You know what I love about that video? The delicious irony that this doomcock guy is mortified to not get a "Lucas cut" of TROS where Leia uses *TLJ Force projection* and dies because of it.

I've spent the last 2+ years reading and hearing these people ***** and moan about Force projection, about Force projection being lethal, and how Lucas would never do such a thing. Now they're gonna cry about not having the privilege of seeing it in a "Lucas cut" of TROS? GTFO.

Shouldn't doomcock be describing any rumored scene like this with outrage over the idea of George Lucas using Rian Johnson's ideas?

I know right. These Fandom Menace guys have no idea how hilarious they are. AS IF having Han, Luke, and Leia appear to Ben Solo in the *JJ theatrical cut* would have suddenly "given them what they wanted." LOL! They would have bitched to high heaven about how that was a horrible idea! They're a joke, a parody of themselves. They'll twist any fact or bit of "news" into an excuse to stay on brand and just bash the ST.