Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[a-dev]

Alden comes across a lot like..well, Harrison Ford.

 

[ironwez20]

I know right. These Fandom Menace guys have no idea how hilarious they are. AS IF having Han, Luke, and Leia appear to Ben Solo in the *JJ theatrical cut* would have suddenly "given them what they wanted." LOL! They would have bitched to high heaven about how that was a horrible idea! They're a joke, a parody of themselves. They'll twist any fact or bit of "news" into an excuse to stay on brand and just bash the ST.

He says while polishing his helmet

 

[jal76]

You really bailed on all of Star Wars? (Or just the last twenty years?)

A book is generally the work of one author. All these films over the last forty odd years are the product of numerous authors.

If the Sequel Trilogy were a meal you could say it was spoiled because too many cooks had a hand in its preparation, and they either all had different versions of the recipe, or had no idea what meal they were meant to be making.


I can't eat all of it. I'd end up like Mr. Creosote.

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If I was to load all of Star Wars onto that aeroplane, including all the cartoons, books and comics... I'd need a bigger aeroplane.

Yup...like I said it wasn?t a tantrum or some half baked one man boycott...I am not even mad at Star Wars.
For me after investing the past 20 years into waiting for something good to happen only to end up time and time again like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football I am just tired and frankly over the whole thing.
I have to accept that there will no longer be any good new Star Wars.
I can?t just shut my brain off and enjoy the light saber fights.
have always been invested in the entire story and the histories and lineages of the universe and its characters.
I am not as adept at head canon gymnastics as others so the joy that I used to get at the end of ROTJ is diminished by knowing that the OT heroes all end up becoming complete losers. Knowing that everything that they accomplished over that beautiful 3 film series ended up amounting to nothing.
Emperor lived on and so did the Empire...just with a new name. Han is the same down on his luck Smuggler from Mos Eisley...all of the character growth gone. Luke is a hermit? Who called that one at the end of ROTJ? The OT heroes rebelled...overthrew the Empire and took over...yet for some reason are still rebels??? That?s not how that works.
To know that these characters all individually end up dying for absolutely no reason, and their accomplishments get erased hangs over my OT viewings like a black cloud.
So I think i?m good.

 

[Asta]

Yup...like I said it wasn?t a tantrum or some half baked one man boycott...I am not even mad at Star Wars.
For me after investing the past 20 years into waiting for something good to happen only to end up time and time again like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football I am just tired and frankly over the whole thing.
I have to accept that there will no longer be any good new Star Wars.
I can?t just shut my brain off and enjoy the light saber fights.
have always been invested in the entire story and the histories and lineages of the universe and its characters.
I am not as adept at head canon gymnastics as others so the joy that I used to get at the end of ROTJ is diminished by knowing that the OT heroes all end up becoming complete losers. Knowing that everything that they accomplished over that beautiful 3 film series ended up amounting to nothing.
Emperor lived on and so did the Empire...just with a new name. Han is the same down on his luck Smuggler from Mos Eisley...all of the character growth gone. Luke is a hermit? Who called that one at the end of ROTJ? The OT heroes rebelled...overthrew the Empire and took over...yet for some reason are still rebels??? That?s not how that works.
To know that these characters all individually end up dying for absolutely no reason, and their accomplishments get erased hangs over my OT viewings like a black cloud.
So I think i?m good.

The Sequels certainly wrote a miserable end for the OT heroes. Certainly not what I had in mind when I first read, in the Eagle comic in the early '80s, that Lucas planned to make Star Wars into a 9-film series. From that moment I was looking forward to Harrison, Mark, Carrie et al getting back together for some more great adventures.

As the years went by it was looking less and less likely, and the actors themselves were obviously getting older.

News finally broke in the late '90s that there was going to be another trilogy. I was on a high.

Then I saw The Phantom Menace. It felt depressing that all those years of waiting had only managed to deliver something so appallingly poor.

I didn't have a lot of hope for The Force Awakens, because I've been down that road before. It had its moments, but as with the next two sequels this wasn't the Star Wars that inspired me in the beginning.

Rogue One proved to me that there is still good in this series, and Solo even managed to recall the feeling of the very first expanded universe novels, books that fit perfectly into the universe. That's not an easy thing to accomplish when a franchise has become so bloated over forty years. The Mandalorian captures it too.

All of this takes place before the Sequels, so it's a simple matter to relegate the Sequels to "It-Never-Happened-Department", a la William S. Burroughs.

 

[JAWS]

No, I consider the PT excess baggage. If the plane wasn't going to make it over the mountain and needed to save weight, I'd throw out the Sequel Trilogy first. If that wasn't enough then the Prequel Trilogy would be next.

If the situation was still desperate the two Ewok movies and the Holiday Special will have to go as well.

I love that the ST and the PT get thrown out before the Ewok movies and the Holiday Special

 

[Wor-Gar]

How did the Holiday Special even get aboard that plane in the first place?


BTW, I saw that movie, and the plane hits the mountain whether they remained onboard or not.

 

[Spartan Rex]

 

[a-dev]

Someone start a general Star Wars movies thread or something. Lets send this one the way of the TFA and TLJ threads where it belongs.

 

[jye4ever]

doomcock revealed


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[Prime Clone]

It will be the very first time Han was in Carbonite, about 10 years before ANH -- yes, the big 'what' is that ESB is his 2nd time. Mando will walk passed him while paying a visit to Jabba in Season 2.

They need to jump to the period between ANH and ESB. The bounty hunter on Ord Mantell was the only reference from the OT they didn't cover.



Side note: It?s now canon that Leia was frozen in carbonite soon after Han!

 

[JAWS]

Someone start a general Star Wars movies thread or something. Lets send this one the way of the TFA and TLJ threads where it belongs.

That comes with the next movie release

 

[JAWS]

What kinda disgusts me - and yet would be celebrated by some - is that this thread has over 20,000 replies while the Avengers Endgame thread has under 7000. Avengers Endgame was far more applauded by Marvel fandom than Star Wars IX was by Star Wars fandom. Why are we elevating relative mediocrity in our fantasy genre with continual non-stop discussion? Star Wars doesn't deserve this kind of attention anymore.

Peeps love the complain about movies they hate more then about movies they love.

So the top thread regarding films are all very controversial and less then loved. You have to get to Infinity War to have a thread that is a "beloved film"

Batman vs Superman - over 45,000
The Force Awakens - over 30,000 I guess this could kinda count as a beloved film because everyone liked it when it first came out.. I am not counting it though.
The Last Jedi - almost 25,000
The Dark Knight Rises - over 22,000
The Rise of Skywalker - over 22,000
Man of Steel - over 17,000
Justice League - Almost 16,000
The Dark Night Rises (Spoilers) - over 14,000
Suicide Squad - over 13,000
The Amazing Spider-man 2 - over 11,000

And then Finally Infinity War - over 11,000
With The Avengers - over 10,000
Rogue One at over 10,000

Then back to complaining with Solo - Over 9,000


I am guilty of pushing TLJ number up with just under 400 post... But the rest of the films I dont really rank as I tend not to complain about movies I dont like.. Though my number is pretty high i bet in Endgame

 

[Asta]

How did the Holiday Special even get aboard that plane in the first place?


BTW, I saw that movie, and the plane hits the mountain whether they remained onboard or not.

It snuck on board when somebody told it they got a mention in The Mandalorian.

I doubt it'll fit in the inflatable raft when the inevitable happens.

 

[TheDucky]

Alden is now saying we will see him as Solo again.

Not that we will specifically see a Solo 2 just that we will see him as Solo again.

Umm cool.

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Oh god, why? Garbage movie. Nothing like Ford.

Yep I think I'd actually be more excited about him getting his own series than more Mando.

I?m so glad you have no creative control over this franchise.

I know right. These Fandom Menace guys have no idea how hilarious they are. AS IF having Han, Luke, and Leia appear to Ben Solo in the *JJ theatrical cut* would have suddenly "given them what they wanted." LOL! They would have bitched to high heaven about how that was a horrible idea! They're a joke, a parody of themselves. They'll twist any fact or bit of "news" into an excuse to stay on brand and just bash the ST.

So, just like you twist any fact or bit of news into an excuse to stay on brand and just praise the ST?

 

[Wor-Gar]

It snuck on board when somebody told it they got a mention in The Mandalorian.

I doubt it'll fit in the inflatable raft when the inevitable happens.

The Dark Passenger

 

[JAWS]

So, just like you twist any fact or bit of news into an excuse to stay on brand and just praise the ST?

Not sure what this statement means with regards to Khev's statement about the Fandom Menace acting like they would suddenly like TROS or the whole series if they just made a tweak here or there.

They hate everything about it.. SO putting some Force Ghosts and more Anakin should not appease them.

 

[Asta]

The Dark Passenger

Hmmm...

The Dark Passenger is a general term for the burden Dexter carries as a result of his childhood trauma. His repressed memories of the event begin to surface.

I've read that the Holiday Special was the source of childhood trauma for some.

I didn't watch it until much, much later. It's a strange curio, whose only real point of interest is the appearance of Boba Fett. I guess it got on the aeroplane due to its proximity to the source and associated historical significance.


The real Dark Passengers are the PT and ST. Both born during brutal attempted murders of Star Wars, first at the hands of George Lucas, then at the hands of Kathleen Kennedy, even if done so only out of misplaced sentiment.

Lucas came at the PT with a different mindset. If original Star Wars was anti-imperialist, anti-Vietnam War, the PT was anti-imperialist post Gulf War. He was now more concerned with the political machinations of how empires are built, not just through brute force, but through propaganda and misinformation.

The ST is likewise self-conscious, but now more concerned with the gender war. Poe Dameron had to be made an example of due to his reckless 'toxic masculinity', but it was only a temporary punishment until he'd learned his lesson.

In the OT it wasn't so on the nose. Leia repeatedly attacked Han for his reckless, selfish behaviour, and it was all part of the humour and his roguish nature. He makes the right call at the end of Star Wars when he returns to the Battle of Yavin.

In the ST the bringing down of Poe was humourless and humiliating.


Lucas and Kennedy couldn't kill Star Wars though. There are too many hands fighting to keep it alive, those who remember what Star Wars originally was.

Rather than dying it adapted into lifelines such as Rogue One, Solo and The Mandalorian.

 

[Asta]

To continue...

There's nothing inherently wrong with agendas in films or series, since almost everything will have an agenda. It's unavoidable as creators don't exist in a vacuum. They're a product of and a part of society. It just comes down to how well that agenda fits into the narrative, or how it makes its presence felt at the expense of the narrative.

Lucas knew he was going into some heavy material with the PT. He was departing from the hokey space yarn he'd created, and was going to pull back the curtain and show the Wizard at work rather than just the work itself. So, there's fake trade negotiations, a fake trade war, a fake army, all in order to set the conditions required for the Wizard to create the 'Land of Oz' Lucas showed us in the OT.

On top of that Lucas was going into a darker story - far darker than The Empire Strikes Back - that would involve slavery and child murder. But to get that point he had to lighten the load with clumsy comical elements, such as the camp nature of the battle droids or the slapstick nature of Jar Jar Binks.

The two sides of this story don't gel. Not nearly as well as the humour and graphic violence had in the OT.

The ST is similarly clumsy, from the basic premise that they were making it up as they went along, and each film lays a trap for the next. OT heroes are wasted, as with Luke's loss of confidence culminating in his sacrifice - necessary because this trilogy is promoting Rey's journey, not the Skywalker legacy. Or Han meeting his end at the hands of his mentally defective 'son', who never actually rings true as being the product of either Han or Leia. Kylo is like Buffy's sister. She appears out of nowhere as if she's always been there, and makes you think you must've missed an episode in between.

The OT heroes were shoehorned into the ST, and because they were secondary to Rey's story their roles were marginalised. Ideally the story of Episodes VII-IX should have been saved for a potential X-XII. Harrison's reluctance to play Han Solo, a co-starring role compared to the preferred starring role of Indiana Jones, probably doomed such a project early on. At least he had plenty of adventures in the expanded universe novels, and it's impossible to read them and not imagine Harrison Ford's image and persona.

Which brings us back to Alden Ehrenreich. If they're ever going to tell the stories involving the heroes that lead up to The Force Awakens in live action, we'd have to get used to a whole new cast. That'll just be bait for some, going by how much hate Alden got for taking on the role of Han.

It's the ideal role for animation to fill this story telling gap. It seems they're still fixated on pre-OT clones though.

 

[ironwez20]

Peeps love the complain about movies they hate more then about movies they love.

So the top thread regarding films are all very controversial and less then loved. You have to get to Infinity War to have a thread that is a "beloved film"

Batman vs Superman - over 45,000
The Force Awakens - over 30,000 I guess this could kinda count as a beloved film because everyone liked it when it first came out.. I am not counting it though.
The Last Jedi - almost 25,000
The Dark Knight Rises - over 22,000
The Rise of Skywalker - over 22,000
Man of Steel - over 17,000
Justice League - Almost 16,000
The Dark Night Rises (Spoilers) - over 14,000
Suicide Squad - over 13,000
The Amazing Spider-man 2 - over 11,000

And then Finally Infinity War - over 11,000
With The Avengers - over 10,000
Rogue One at over 10,000

Then back to complaining with Solo - Over 9,000


I am guilty of pushing TLJ number up with just under 400 post... But the rest of the films I dont really rank as I tend not to complain about movies I dont like.. Though my number is pretty high i bet in Endgame

Don?t forget the TLJ had two threads and even the second thread didn?t make it. Lol the first thread was hilarious.

 

[Otomofan]