Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

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Palps lost her.. He sent someone looking for her but the parent hid her and Palps could not find her as the force was not awoken in her yet.



Why do we have to know that he had a kid.. Kings have all sorts of Bastards because they **** all the time.. Its one of the benefits of being a ruler..




This and this.

Any movie that brings back a dead antagonist better take the time to explain these sort of things or else they become major plot holes that ruin movies especially for people with out creative fan fic minds to distort reality and fill in blanks as they see fit so that they still can enjoy said movie. The whole scene with the cloned snokes was not just filler, it meant something- it was their way of explaining how palps is back without getting into too much detail to not highlight the inconsistency of "wait rey isn't his granddaughter its his daughter of his cloned son debacle. The whole trilogy was not thought out properly so they had constantly do stuff like this- attempt to hide plot holes in the hopes audience would just accept **** that's not explained at face value, including how he surived and how he has a son. The clones snokes was their answer and they intentionally left it ambigous to confuse audience member- but also for critics that say there is a huge plot hole- they can just reference the jars of snoke clones. Its terrible writing and I don't blame you guys for interpreting something differently, or should I say fill in the blanks for a director or movie studio that should have explained things more explicitly and not relied on books to fix the movies plot holes.
 
Oh yes.. Very true.. My math was way off :lol :lol

I think mine is too but I'm trying to multitask and keep editing the numbers of my prior post, lol.

But the way TROS laid things out indicate that Palps had a son (possibly known to him, possibly not, all depends on how well he kept tabs on his off screen ladies, lol) shortly after ROTS. That son grows to be in his 20's during the OT, then he and his wife have Rey 10 years after the OT when he's in his 30's. Then 20 years later Rey grows to the age we see her in TFA.
 
Ok then please explain to me when he was born. I asked you not to last time but now I am interested in your story, maybe its better then lucas films and Disney's explanations. But without being confirmed on screen its just a story from you like my "how a few changes could make the st better" stories lol. The clone explanation is verifiable and has reliable references to back it up whereas your fan fic doesnt but I'd still like to hear it

Well for one.. They at least make some sort of Reference that Palps himself was a clone. A bad one I'll give you that.

That make no such comment about his son and Kylo Tells her that she is his granddaughter. Thus making her father his Son.. Not his clone.

After the film came out everyone assumed it was his son because everyone bitched that the Emperor was banging beaver.

So my guess is the book did the same thing the movies did and tried to course correct to make the fans happy.
 
Well for one.. They at least make some sort of Reference that Palps himself was a clone. A bad one I'll give you that.

That make no such comment about his son and Kylo Tells her that she is his granddaughter. Thus making her father his Son.. Not his clone.

Yep enlightened Kylo even tells Rey point blank "my mother is the daughter of Vader, your father is the son of the Emperor." Can't get any clearer than that. And then in the throne room Palpatine says "long have I waited for my grandchild to come home."

Massive KK Story Group gymnastics are required to ignore what was crystal clear on film.
 
Any movie that brings back a dead antagonist better take the time to explain these sort of things or else they become major plot holes that ruin movies especially for people with out creative fan fic minds to distort reality and fill in blanks as they see fit so that they still can enjoy said movie. The whole scene with the cloned snokes was not just filler, it meant something- it was their way of explaining how palps is back without getting into too much detail that could cause the whole wait rey isn't his granddaughter is the daughter of clone debacle. The whole serious was not thought out properly so they had constantly do stuff like this- attempt to hid plot whole in the hopes audience except **** that's not explained at face value, including how he surived and how he has a son. The clones snokes was their answer and the left it ambigous for a reason. Its terrible writing and I don't blame you guys for interpreting something differently, or should I say fill in the blanks for a director or movie studio that should have explained things more explicitly and not relied on books to fix the movies plot holes.

Cloned Snokes was too give us a Hint that Palps was a clone.. Nothing more..

Watching the movie the first time I did not have to do Mind flips to just say.. Palps banged some chick.. She had a kid who had Rey.. Simple as that..

I think mine is too but I'm trying to multitask and keep editing the numbers of my prior post, lol.

But the way TROS laid things out indicate that Palps had a son (possibly known to him, possibly not, all depends on how well he kept tabs on his off screen ladies, lol) shortly after ROTS. That son grows to be in his 20's during the OT, then he and his wife have Rey 10 years after the OT when he's in his 30's. Then 20 years later Rey grows to the age we see her in TFA.

Look at that. Works out perfectly.
 
Yep enlightened Kylo even tells Rey point blank "my mother is the daughter of Vader, your father is the son of the Emperor." Can't get any clearer than that. And then in the throne room Palpatine says "long have I waited for my grandchild to come home."

Match and Point
 
Yep enlightened Kylo even tells Rey point blank "my mother is the daughter of Vader, your father is the son of the Emperor." Can't get any clearer than that. And then in the throne room Palpatine says "long have I waited for my grandchild to come home."

Massive KK Story Group gymnastics are required to ignore what was crystal clear on film.

In the movie, Kylo didn't know everything, he sure the hell didn't know how the emperor survived since the emperor told him the same thing he told us "pathways of the force....blah blah". The emperor was lying to kylo most of their conversation if we are to believe that he didn't really want him to kill rey even when snoke commanded kylo to do it in TLJ lol. I will say in the book kylo knew right away he was a clone but since that wasn't in the movie I didn't want to get anyones panties in a bunch bringing it up. Again in the book Kylo knew he was lying to him
 
I will say in the book kylo knew right away he was a clone but since that wasn't in the movie I didn't want to get anyones panties in a bunch bringing it up

Well at least the exchange you describe was actually filmed so I'm fine with accepting it as canon since it doesn't contradict anything that was on screen.
 
Well at least the exchange you describe was actually filmed so I'm fine with accepting it as canon since it doesn't contradict anything that was on screen.

But wouldn't it have been better had the movie actually hinted at this in some way. Its like they were too scared to commit to the clone theory for either him or his son and then put a bunch of failed snoke clones in the movie to show they cloning was happening and they the audience is supposed to make the connection but again without very good explanation. Its lazy writing and story telling- which is why the books had to fill the blanks. People were pissed off about the lack of explanation for such a major plot device
 
Well at least the exchange you describe was actually filmed so I'm fine with accepting it as canon since it doesn't contradict anything that was on screen.

But wouldn't it have been better had the movie actually hinted at this in some way. Its like they were too scared to commit to the clone theory for either him or his son and then put a bunch of failed snoke clones in the movie to imply some sort of cloning was happening and then the audience is left to make the connection but again without very good explanation. They were trying to cover the plot hole with a visual scene and no explanation because explanation would have resulted in maybe more uproar from fans by directly saying his "son" was a failed clone. Also by inserting that scene they can simply reference it and say see there is no plot hole it was all cloning we showed the jar of cloned snokes. Its lazy writing and story telling- which is why the books had to fill the blanks. People were pissed off about the lack of explanation for such a major character and plot device its the only reason they added the explanation into the book and it became the expanded edition.
 
They did hint at it.

"Palpatine has returned."

"How?"

"Dark Magic. Cloning. Secrets only the Sith knew."

There's your hint right there.

You mean that passing line from the hobbit character they failed to flesh out about sith and magic and cloning well yes your right they did. But that again is supposed explain how both palps survived and his "son" was created. There were too scared to directly imply this connection, that's my whole point and why a few of you just reject the books passage about the "son" being a failed clone. They relied on vague scenes (snoke clones in a jar) and passages from the hobbit dude to explain this stuff hoping you would interpret it anyway that allowed you to enjoy the movie
 
You mean that passing line from the hobbit character they failed to flesh out about sith and magic and cloning well yes your right they did. But that again is supposed explain how both palps survived and his "son" was created. There were too scared to directly imply this connection, that's my whole point and why a few of you just reject the books passage about the "son" being a failed clone. They relied on vague scenes (snoke clones in a jar) and passages from the hobbit dude


I assumed he was a clone because of the stupid line and the fact palps looked more like TPM Palps then ROTJ Palps..

I assumed that he had a granddaughter because the movie said so.. And because of that I assumed her father was his son.


For the record I don't think Khev or I are saying it was well written but that enough was there to give you answers. If you no nothing of the book you are not confused at all.

I dont mind a little guess work or mystery. Everything does not have to be spelled out or said.
 
I assumed he was a clone because of the stupid line and the fact palps looked more like TPM Palps then ROTJ Palps..

I assumed that he had a granddaughter because the movie said so.. And because of that I assumed her father was his son.


For the record I don't think Khev or I are saying it was well written but that enough was there to give you answers. If you no nothing of the book you are not confused at all.

I dont mind a little guess work or mystery. Everything does not have to be spelled out or said.


This is not true not knowing anything in the book makes the movies worse for me because they don't explain important stuff that should have been explained in the movie (how palpatine survived and had a son) other then showing those snoke clones and having hobbit dude say that one line. The reason they don't do this is because the "cloning" does not jive with Rey being his granddaughter. Khev can reference them calling him his granddaughter all he wants that doesn't mean she is. I've seen plent of movies where people kidnap kids and they call them their children. You cant take every line in a movie at face value otherwise no movies would have plot holes lol and some of that is just part of the movie. Also its very hard to see the quotes "son" when someone is saying the word on screen. Its like sarcasm its harder to pick up when reading it then when you hear someone speaking it
 
You mean that passing line from the hobbit character they failed to flesh out about sith and magic and cloning well yes your right they did. But that again is supposed explain how both palps survived and his "son" was created.

Dark Magic: How his spirit survived.

Cloning: How his spirit found a new body.

It's thin but it did receive lip service on screen and hey according to you a "hint" is all you needed. :)

As for needing an explanation for how his son was created...please tell me that your parents at some point told you how babies are made...
 
Dark Magic: How his spirit survived.

Cloning: How his spirit found a new body.

It's thin but it did receive lip service on screen and hey according to you a "hint" is all you needed. :)

As for needing an explanation for how his son was created...please tell me that your parents at some point told you how babies are made...

I would agree with that if the movie hinted at it and then completely disregard the book but since movie was silent on it I have no choice to infer that they deliberately choose not to explicitly state that the "son" was a clone in fear of people attacking them for calling her his granddaughter. So they just left that for those who read the book, but again that explanation was only added because of fan backlash, the writer group was like we have to explain this somehow and it needs to jive with the clone snokes we showed them. It all starts with the movie is my point, had the movie really had a different way the son was created they would have showed it- the fact matter is they didn't and this was the answer they omitted due to other reasons
 
Nah JJ Abrams himself called Rey Palps' granddaughter. The movie is the movie and the book is the book.

JJ is an idiot that couldn't even plan a 2 story arc, he can blame rian all he wants and has right too but he just gave up after seing TLJ and cobbled together the mess that was TROS. Of course he is going to say that, he was the idiot that didn't think it out clearly, rey cant possibly be his granddaughter if his son is a failed clone, but again maybe JJ didn't get this, you give Hollywood people too much credit thnking they actual understand these things.. Maybe JJ truly thought a clone of Palpatine would be considered his son, cause he doesn't fully grasp genetics until other people watched it and were like hey dude this don't make sense. Another poster even said that Jango called Boba his son but he was nothing more then a younger clone of his father then the other clones just without the order 66 chip.
 
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