Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[JAWS]

For me though, over time, I have managed to break away from that juvenile spell. And now I recognize more similarities between ROTJ and the PT than I do ROTJ with the first two films.

Yep... Exactly.. We should have been able to see what was coming. The writing was on the wall.

 

[Khev]

And now I recognize more similarities between ROTJ and the PT than I do ROTJ with the first two films.

Yep which is why "OT purist" really is a misnomer since the OT is anything but "pure" when you include ROTJ. As I've said before if you can accept and even celebrate ROTJ then you can easily accept anything that comes after, at least with regard to filmmaking quality and gimmickry.

SW/ESB are more adult and less toyetic, ROTJ is the most marketable of the OT but also the silliest and least inspired with regard to storytelling.

So I see the PT as lesser versions of ROTJ and the ST as lesser versions of SW/ESB. That's why the ST, warts and all, will always be more my thing than the PT and TCW. It sought to align itself with the storytelling feel of SW/ESB as opposed to being a 2 or 6 hour toy commercial like ROTJ and the PT.

 

[The Buffinator]

Han does not suffer a meaningless death he was murder by Rey, well ya i guess its meaningly but it serves as a major catalyst for Ben's growth and lukes ability to mentor him. Harrison wanted out he was not going to be around for all three movies so he had to die somehow. Dying at the hand of his own kid, who grew up with love and kindness is way worse

2) was obi-wan death meaningless? From a certain point of view it was, but it also was the catalyst for Luke to do great things. When luke dies at the hands of Rey- the baton will be passed to Ben as the last Skywalker. It will be Skywalker vs palpatine once again for the end.

3)Personally i didnt want the emperor back but i was not trying to change everything in the movie, this why i said it had to be handle properly and if they cant do it dont use him at all. Just have Rey be the main antagonist.

Well, when you bluntly said Rey murdered them, there didn't seem to be a lot of purpose to their deaths. Maybe after I read your script I'll agree with you.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Ya thats what sith do they murder people you care about. Han jumps in front of reys lightsaber as she was trying to stab ben in the back, thereby saving his life. Han sacrafices himself for ben but either way same result rey killed han and ben needs to overcome it like a jedi. Is that better lol

 

[The Buffinator]

Ya thats what sith do they murder people you care about. Han jumps in front of reys lightsaber as she was trying to stab ben in the back, thereby saving his life. Han sacrafices himself for ben but either same result rey killed han and ben needs to overcome it like a jedi. Is that better lol

I'm still not sure - could you post your storyboards?

 

[JAWS]

If you think about this the ST could have been salvaged with just a few changes:

1) Make Ben Skywalker the main protagonist of the 3 story arc, the story should revolve around his growth as a jedi, If you do this small change it fixes so many issues (see below)

2) Have Rey be the main antagonist, the emperor's lost daughter via his clones son or his granddaughter whatever pleases you. Rey Murders Han Solo instead of Ben sending ben into an angry frenzy this is the first time his emotions have been truely tested as a jedi. luke has to calm him, teach him, remind him of the ways of the Jedi- ben listens to luke he does not allow his anger or hatred of Rey to consume him, he grows even stronger as a jedi. Unlike anakin, his grandfather he was able to reign in his emotions after losing his father when Anakin could not after the loss of his mother.


3) As a child he was protected, shielded from any dark forces by his powerful uncle and his loving parents. Their love and kindess prevented the darkside from corrupting ben. Rey had no such love growing up, so she was easily seduced to the darkside- pulled to it even as if it was part of her dna

4) Dont have the emperor come back unless you plan on explaining his return EG how he survived what his goals were have this planned out thru the 3 movie story arc. The explanation needs to be well thought out so it does not diminish anything the heroes did in the OT. If you cannot do this just use Rey as the main villian just dont have Ben kick her ass 2 times so she never posses any real threat too him.

5) Keep luke around assisting and Training ben and going on adventures with him, maybe have luke fight a few higher powered sith before Ben is ready since its still too early in the training (part 1), part 2 can expand this relationship and Ben's growth as a jedi, then in part 3 have Rey kill Luke using some sort of trickery so that it is not implied he was overpowered. Final Battle ensures with or without the emperor (depends on #4). Maybe adds some inquisitors or other darkside users so ben has a few tests and people to fight instead of just fighting rey all the time lol

6) Keep Rian Johnson in galaxy far far away from star wars sets- Carbon freezing would work nicely on him, then display him at museum of failed directors who ruined franchises

A few changes You pretty much just kept the characters names

I am not saying that what you listed above would not be a decent movie BUT....

Since I found Ben Solo / Kylo Ren to be the best part of the ST.. I pretty much dont agree with any of this except for number 6

There does not really seem to be any real conflict or character growth or change for the characters.. Ben just becomes a Jedi. Rey is just evil. Luke is just Luke.


Don't get me wrong.. The ST needs some changes but I would keep the basic story the same. Have Rey do more visible training and still have her struggle with the force. Focus on Finn's story about becoming a leader. Have either no Emperor or Like you said spell out his return and have him as a known presence from the beginning. Don't kill Luke in TLJ so he can really be shown to overcome his fears and be the heroic leader so many want to see. And of course your # 6

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

A few changes You pretty much just kept the characters names

I am not saying that what you listed above would not be a decent movie BUT....

Since I found Ben Solo / Kylo Ren to be the best part of the ST.. I pretty much dont agree with any of this except for number 6

There does not really seem to be any real conflict or character growth or change for the characters.. Ben just becomes a Jedi. Rey is just evil. Luke is just Luke.


Don't get me wrong.. The ST needs some changes but I would keep the basic story the same. Have Rey do more visible training and still have her struggle with the force. Focus on Finn's story about becoming a leader. Have either no Emperor or Like you said spell out his return and have him as a known presence from the beginning. Don't kill Luke in TLJ so he can really be shown to overcome his fears and be the heroic leader so many want to see. And of course your # 6

Ben never would have turned dark after all Luke Leia and Han had learned over the course of the OT and dealing with the Force. Thats whole problem with the ST in the nutshell. Ben being kylo ren is travesty, for that to happen his parents have to be deadbeats that missed so many signs of his growing evil they shouldnt even call themsleves parents. This is even compounded by the fact that both Leia and Luke were force sensitive but both were too stupid to do anything about it or be like hey somethings wrong here with crazy kylo murdering all the birds and animals. They were too caught up in rebel causes and simply neglected their son so he ended up hating them. The Kylo Ren arc ****s on Han and Leia just as much as luke even more so them. Because he hated his parents with a passion thats what turned him dark to begin with. Its all stupid nonsense. That cannot be your favorite part as a han fan- it ****s him completely to the point where he felt so bad for failing his son and for being a deadbeat father he was willing to walk into the lightsaber for him to help him turn fully bad lol UH WHAT???????????????????????????????????????

 

[JAWS]

Yep which is why "OT purist" really is a misnomer since the OT is anything but "pure" when you include ROTJ. As I've said before if you can accept and even celebrate ROTJ then you can easily accept anything that comes after, at least with regard to filmmaking quality and gimmickry.

SW/ESB are more adult and less toyetic, ROTJ is the most marketable of the OT but also the silliest and least inspired with regard to storytelling.

So I see the PT as lesser versions of ROTJ and the ST as lesser versions of SW/ESB. That's why the ST, warts and all, will always be more my thing than the PT and TCW. It sought to align itself with the storytelling feel of SW/ESB as opposed to being a 2 or 6 hour toy commercial like ROTJ and the PT.

I cant argue with any of this..

But as I stated I think I prefer the PT over the ST as a whole.. I will have to watch the ST a few more times and see if my enjoyment of TFA holds up. But TLJ really takes the wind out of my sails each and every time. I know that I find the characters more enjoyable in the ST and Kylo is what Anakin should have been... Interesting.

I really think if the Emperor could have been known to be a presence from the beginning.. I would love the ST.. Minus TLJ issues.

 

[Khev]

I really think if the Emperor could have been known to be a presence from the beginning.. I would love the ST.. Minus TLJ issues.

Well now you'll always know that he has a presence with every viewing going forward.

 

[JAWS]

Jedi is great flick, the ewoks are the only thing that bring it down but if people envision them as the cannibalistic little demons they are, they dont seem like cute teddy bears anymore lol. If it wasn't for C3p0 they would have eaten poor han and luke. As kid that was my favorite movie, but again Luke skywalker has always been my favorite character, i liked Han but was never big han fan.. Most of my friends and people i knew loved han but i was always the luke guy. In any case i loved luke in Jedi, thats how I envisioned his jedi being- calm, stoic, cool and collected almost like a zen monk. He was perfect in it imo. Han wasnt the same but first thing i noticed about him in Jedi was how old he looked, he was way older then the rest of cast at the time. I think he was just done with star wars he viewed it as beneath him and didnt want to be type cast- he still turned in a good performance but it was nothing like his performance in New Hope or Empire. Carrie fisher did fine, i mean hell we got that hot ass slave leia costume. As i've grown older though i've become way more partial to empire, i do love new hope too but Jedi will always hold a special place for me as a Luke fan. ROTJ was the last time we got to see the true jedi luke so it will always be special too me. The ST had a chance to do great things with the character but they decided to prop up the evil guys daughter at the expense of the real heroes of the story.

Yeah I cant get behind this.. My last viewing was a chore.

Ford Was awful in it.

I cant believe you said Carrie was OK.. Watch that scene with Luke after he tells her all Vader and their new relationship to each other and him.. and then the scene with Han right after.. Just awful

Hamill is ok but such a bore

Obi Wan is the first Jedi Ghost to interact with surroundings by sitting on a rock.. So I guess catching a saber is in line with the OT

Seriously though i only make fun of that because I always found it funny that a ghost had to take a seat and rest

The film just has too much to tell and not enough time to tell it.

Love the final Space battle and Luke beating Vader and Vader's redemption though. But that only accounts for like 8 min of the movie.

I dont even hate the EWOKS


You should like this video Skywalker(OG)Kus.. I have posted it before but its one of my favs.

 

[rushmore223]

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Oh, same old thing.

You guys just never get tired of the same complaints for years and years.


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[Wor-Gar]

Well, now that the Skywalkers are all dead, maybe that frees up some genuine creativity in where the next trilogy goes.

Of course not. Disney will find a way for someone's missing child to be a Skywalker and start the whole thing over again... complete with comedic Palpatine being the Big Bad at the end, once again the mastermind behind it all, manipulating the galaxy for some unknown purpose.

 

[JAWS]

Well now you'll always know that he has a presence with every viewing going forward.

But a true introduction would have been nice.. I mean I can watch it the way you just said but it feels more like what it is.. A last ditch effort after RJ screwed everything up.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Yeah I cant get behind this.. My last viewing was a chore.

Ford Was awful in it.

I cant believe you said Carrie was OK.. Watch that scene with Luke after he tells her all Vader and their new relationship to each other and him.. and then the scene with Han right after.. Just awful

Hamill is ok but such a bore

Obi Wan is the first Jedi Ghost to interact with surroundings by sitting on a rock.. So I guess catching a saber is in line with the OT

Seriously though i only make fun of that because I always found it funny that a ghost had to take a seat and rest

The film just has too much to tell and not enough time to tell it.

Love the final Space battle and Luke beating Vader and Vader's redemption though. But that only accounts for like 8 min of the movie.

I dont even hate the EWOKS


You should like this video Skywalker(OG)Kus.. I have posted it before but its one of my favs.

He was hovering like any ghost does, besides maybe he want to rest his ghostly legs and not freak luke out anymore then he had too by showing up as a ghost in the scary bog of a planet yoda lived on. There is a big difference between sitting/hovering on a rock and lifting xwings and catching & wielding lightsabers though.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Well, now that the Skywalkers are all dead, maybe that frees up some genuine creativity in where the next trilogy goes.

Of course not. Disney will find a way for someone's missing child to be a Skywalker and start the whole thing over again... complete with comedic Palpatine being the Big Bad at the end, once again the mastermind behind it all, manipulating the galaxy for some unknown purpose.

Baby Yoda will be Yoda's offpring and it will be the Yoda Saga lol. Yoda that sneaky dog breaking his own rules to pound that green putang

 

[JAWS]

Ben never would have turned dark after all Luke Leia and Han had learned over the course of the OT and dealing with the Force. Thats whole problem with the ST in the nutshell. Ben being kylo ren is travesty, for that to happen his parents have to be deadbeats that missed so many signs of his growing evil they shouldnt even call themsleves parents. This is even compounded by the fact that both Leia and Luke were force sensitive but both were too stupid to do anything about it or be like hey somethings wrong here with crazy kylo murdering all the birds and animals. They were too caught up in rebel causes and simply neglected their son so he ended up hating them. The Kylo Ren arc ****s on Han and Leia just as much as luke even more so them. Because he hated his parents with a passion thats what turned him dark to begin with. Its all stupid nonsense. That cannot be your favorite part as a han fan- it ****s him completely to the point where he felt so bad for failing his son and for being a deadbeat father he was willing to walk into the lightsaber for him to help him turn fully bad lol UH WHAT???????????????????????????????????????

Your trilogy.. Character wise sound sooooo boring

I get what you are saying but that is why you have the Emperor / Snoke screwing with his head and getting him separated from his mom and dad.

Luke gets manipulated also and we are were the movie took us.

I get the whole "Luke was your hero" thing as a kid.. I really do. I probably would have been frustrated also.

But SW has always been a bit of a family drama and even a little bit sad as a overall story.... So the original three having issues later in life feels true to what SW is about.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Your trilogy.. Character wise sound sooooo boring

I get what you are saying but that is why you have the Emperor / Snoke screwing with his head and getting him separated from his mom and dad.

Luke gets manipulated also and we are were the movie took us.

I get the whole "Luke was your hero" thing as a kid.. I really do. I probably would have been frustrated also.

But SW has always been a bit of a family drama and even a little bit sad as a overall story.... So the original three having issues later in life feels true to what SW is about.

Nowhere in the movie did it imply snoke was messing with his head as a child that was in the book, and it was actually the emperor. The movie implied snoke started messing with his head at a later age and that LUKE SKYWALKER WAS THE DIRECT CAUSE FOR SENDING HIM OVER THE EDGE BY RAISING HIS LIGHTSABER TO HIS NEWPHEW> all of this should have been detected and stopped by luke and Leia, especially if luke was half the character they showed him to be in the OT, or had Han and leia been better parents. That's not a good enough reason for why they failed as parents- it still ****s on the OT characters. Also seeing luke as a true jedi master is not boring, maybe for you guys you don't like the character you expect all jedi to fall or something except for Rey Palpatine. Why do you think it was a better arc for luke especially considering consistency in character with the OT? It is not consistent you just fine heroic jedi boring or you just don't like jedi you would rather see them all turn like ben or Anakin.

So would you have been cool with han showing up and instead of helping his son kill him to become more evil he turns into an evil bastard that tried to shoot his own son which made him directly turn to the darkside. So then not only is han a deadbeat but a pos who tried to kill his own son. Otherwise han was the same boring person he was since the OT, he was just a bit older

 

[The Buffinator]

A few changes You pretty much just kept the characters names

I am not saying that what you listed above would not be a decent movie BUT....

Since I found Ben Solo / Kylo Ren to be the best part of the ST.. I pretty much dont agree with any of this except for number 6

There does not really seem to be any real conflict or character growth or change for the characters.. Ben just becomes a Jedi. Rey is just evil. Luke is just Luke.


Don't get me wrong.. The ST needs some changes but I would keep the basic story the same. Have Rey do more visible training and still have her struggle with the force. Focus on Finn's story about becoming a leader. Have either no Emperor or Like you said spell out his return and have him as a known presence from the beginning. Don't kill Luke in TLJ so he can really be shown to overcome his fears and be the heroic leader so many want to see. And of course your # 6

Maybe Rey could have simply been a new, younger student at Luke's Jedi school who survived its destruction and was set up on Jakku by Luke before he left. It would have explained her aptitude with the Force and added a bit more to the Rey/Kylo dynamic - i.e., Kylo was the reason she had such a miserable life up to that point. It would have provided more fuel for her hatred toward him beyond killing Han, as well as explain why Luke's lightsaber called to her at Maz's place. A small change, but it might have added quite a bit.

Ben never would have turned dark after all Luke Leia and Han had learned over the course of the OT and dealing with the Force. Thats whole problem with the ST in the nutshell. Ben being kylo ren is travesty, for that to happen his parents have to be deadbeats that missed so many signs of his growing evil they shouldnt even call themsleves parents. They were too caught up in rebel causes and simply neglected their son so he ended up hating them. The Kylo Ren arc ****s on Han and Leia just as much as luke even more so them. Because he hated his parents with a passion thats what turned him dark to begin with. Its all stupid nonsense.

Ben was Anakin's grandson, so never say never. Maybe Luke took a shine to Rey when she arrived at the school & sparked some jealousy within Ben. That combined with the Emperor's/Snoke's manipulations could have tipped the scales.

 

[The Buffinator]

Nowhere in the movie did it imply snoke was messing with his head as a child that was in the book, and it was actually the emperor. The movie implied snoke started messing with his head at a later age and that LUKE SKYWALKER WAS THE DIRECT CAUSE FOR SENDING HIM OVER THE EDGE BY RAISING HIS LIGHTSABER TO HIS NEWPHEW> all of this should have been detected and stopped by luke and Leia, especially if luke was half the character they showed him to be in the OT, or had Han and leia been better parents. That's not a good enough reason for why they failed as parents- it still ****s on the OT characters. Also seeing luke as a true jedi master is not boring, maybe for you guys you don't like the character you expect all jedi to fall or something except for Rey Palpatine. Why do you think it was a better arc for luke especially considering consistency in character with the OT? It is not consistent you just fine heroic jedi boring or you just don't like jedi

Oh please - you're saying Luke should have detected Ben's being manipulated by Sith forces from afar, when Yoda, Obi-Wan, Anakin, etc., etc., ALL worked side-by-side with Palpatine with nary a clue he was the sinister Sith Lord they were looking for?

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Oh please - you're saying Luke should have detected Ben's being manipulated by Sith forces from afar, when Yoda, Obi-Wan, Anakin, etc., etc., ALL worked side-by-side with Palpatine with nary a clue he was the sinister Sith Lord they were looking for?

No I am saying they should have noticed something was wrong with their son then inferred that is was dark forces. In both the book and movie they say this leia stopped training because she saw her sons death. She knew when he was in her womb something was wrong. What the **** did they do nothing for, they had already dectected it but it was more like showing they all failed, Leia and Han shipped them off and then Luke failed him too **** that ****. Again would be cool for you as a Han fan that instead of him feeling so so guilty for being a deadbeat and failing ben he let him kill him so kylo could become more evil, instead han was portrayed as the ******* that tried to shoot his own son thus sending him over the edge. It definitely wouldn't be the same boring han right but would it be in character nope.