Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Of FFS I'm done. He's all yours JAWS, lol.

Why is it so hard to admit that you use your own head cannon to enjoy Tros. That's ok, what you believe in your head is not what Disney intended so I guess there is no difference between you and prequel lovers you both have your own head cannon to explain away the inconsistencies like Yoda being a flipping jumping wielding lightsaber madman. God forbid he was actually younger and can do such things. The emperor on the other hand was not banging chicks during the OT he had far greater pressing concerns and if you imagine he was well you are the head cannon guru

 

[Khev]

Yep I believe in my own head canon called the movie. Enjoy the SJW tie-in merch.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Well the movie didn't explain when his kid was born now did it, the book did and you have head cannon to explain in only your world what happened. Enjoy your world if only others could live in it with you. You still have not explained when he had a kid in your head canon or made up world the st actually takes place in. Let me then, he just banged some random chick while he was dealing with the events of Jedi right and his son was born naturally (meaning all of his talents should have past on) but he still wanted luke for what reason? Why didn't he keep track of his son then rey, he inexplicibly stopped after sending the bounty hunter to kill his "son" and her mother so he could get her, why did he stop looking for her he knew Rey wasn't dead, why did even bother with Ben if his Ultimate goal was to posses REY. Why didn't he just corrupt reys mind from Exogal

I need head cannon to help me enjoy it like you

 

[JAWS]

Of FFS I'm done. He's all yours JAWS, lol.

I don't know what i can do... Its like he has us blocked or something

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

here ill post it again, but I know you guys wont respond cause there are no good answers

Well the movie didn't explain when his kid was born now did it, the book did and you have head cannon to explain in only your world what happened. Enjoy your world if only others could live in it with you. You still have not explained when he had a kid in your head canon or made up world the st actually takes place in. Let me then, he just banged some random chick while he was dealing with the events of Jedi right and his son was born naturally (meaning all of his talents should have past on) but he still wanted luke for what reason? Why didn't he keep track of his son and rey, he inexplicibly stopped after sending the bounty hunter to kill his "son" and her mother to retrieve Rey so he could get her, why did he stop looking for her he knew Rey wasn't dead, why did even bother with Ben if his Ultimate goal was to posses REY. If he could get in bens head with his parents around and luke he surely could have reached Rey too. The only reason his powers didn't pass to his son is cause he was a failed clone not conceived naturally like Luke and Leia or Ben

No no no you cant say he used ben to find Rey cause then when he was snoke he wouldn't have ordered him to kill her and then act completely taken by surprise when he didn't and killed snoke instead

I need head cannon to help me enjoy it like you

 

[Khev]

I don't know what i can do... Its like he has us blocked or something

What have we been talking to all this time.

I feel like someone is about to pull back Skywalker OG Kush's bedsheets to reveal that it was just some clothes stacked up to look like a person or something, lol.

 

[JAWS]

Well the movie didn't explain when his kid was born now did it, the book did and you have head cannon to explain in only your world what happened. Enjoy your world if only others could live in it with you. You still have not explained when he had a kid in your head canon or made up world the st actually takes place in. Let me then, he just banged some random chick while he was dealing with the events of Jedi right and his son was born was but he still wanted luke for what reason? Why didn't he keep track of his son then rey, he inexplicibly stopped after sending the bounty hunter to kill his "son" and her mother so he could get her, why did he stop looking for her he knew Rey wasn't dead, why did even bother with Ben if his Ultimate goal was to posses REY

I need head cannon to help me enjoy it like you

Ok..

Movie comes out.. No Book is out.

Palps is hinted at being a clone.. The snoke's were a hint. The hobbit's explanation was a hint.

Kylo and Palps both call Rey his Granddaughter thus making her father Palps son.

Its all right there on screen.

You can accept the book as canon if you want but you better accept that Padme was alive till Luke an Leia were 4, Lars Owen is Obi Wan's Brother and Yoda is blue.


You say you need to know when the child was born in the OT.. That it needed to be explained.

Well that's the difference between kids brought up with the PT and those brought up with the OT.

We didn't need to know where the force came from. Star Wars was a better place when we didn't know about midichlorians

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Common Guys that **** wont work if you cant address simple inconsistencies in plot how you can defend the movie. Neither of you address the confliecting problems with story or the plot holes I point out its the same ****. Oh he is crazy oh he thinks book is cannon just answer the questions if you are right. You cannot answer these questions cause the movie is an inconsistent plot hole mess you have to accept this movie at face value to enjoy it

 

[JAWS]

What have we been talking to all this time.

I feel like someone is about to pull back Skywalker OG Kush's bedsheets to reveal that it was just some clothes stacked up to look like a person or something, lol.

 

[JAWS]

Common Guys that **** wont work if you cant address simple inconsistencies in plot how you can defend the movie

What is inconsistent????


What has not been addressed when it comes to Palps and Rey's relationship??

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

What is inconsistent????


What has not been addressed when it comes to Palps and Rey's relationship??

Read my last post dude try to answer any of the questions regarding palaptine and why he didn't do those things. Forget the ****ing clone I know its a sore subject for you twp, but please try to address the other questions. I am only asking this stuff cause I'd personally like to enjoy the last skywalker saga film more, and since you guys do I need some insight on how you view these things

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

What book was Padme Alive in up until Luke was 4? I Havent read anything in the new canon that suggest that (I've read all the books except last Jedi) in fact its the same stupid thing. padme dies without a real cause from a broken heart. Not all books are canon Ie old legends and comics but you better believe the Disney Novelizations are they just add details that were omitted from the movies. I didn't read last Jedi though, I just couldn't it had nothing to offer me, I do own it but I couldn't stomach reading it. So unless it was in the last Jedi novel its not in the new canon

 

[Wor-Gar]

Didn't my favorite character in TROS kill Rey's parents? Ochi of Bestoon.

 

[JAWS]

What book was Padme Alive in up until Luke was 4? I Havent read anything in the new canon that suggest that (I've read all the books except last Jedi) in fact its the same stupid thing. padme dies without a real cause from a broken heart. Not all books are canon Ie old legends and comics but you better believe the Disney Novelizations are they just add details that were omitted from the movies. I didn't read last Jedi though, I just couldn't it had nothing to offer me, I do own it but I couldn't stomach reading it. So unless it was in the last Jedi novel its not in the new canon

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_VI:_Return_of_the_Jedi_(novel)

"Obi Wan describes Owen Lars as his brother and says that Padme Amidala dies when Luke and Leia were four. he also tells Luke that Anakin fell into Lava crawling his way out as Darth Vader. All of these would be retconned by the Prequel Trilogy"

I mean what do I believe?? What I read in the book or what I see in Screen??

I mean I know its been retconned but how do I really no that for real its been printed in a book.. It was the way it was for years...


Did TROS book Retcon the movie?? Is that official anywhere??

 

[JAWS]

Well the movie didn't explain when his kid was born now did it

Why is this so important to you. At the time of the OT I didn't know how Luke was born either

the book did and you have head cannon to explain in only your world what happened.

So you agree that Yoda is Blue then.. Check.

Enjoy your world if only others could live in it with you. You still have not explained when he had a kid in your head canon or made up world the st actually takes place in. Let me then, he just banged some random chick while he was dealing with the events of Jedi right

Why does it have to be right when ROTJ is happening?? Why cant it be 6 months before.. You mean to tell me when you are busy at work you dont make time for hanky Panky

And his son was born naturally (meaning all of his talents should have past on) but he still wanted luke for what reason? Why didn't he keep track of his son and rey,

As for his Son.. At the time of his sons Birth Palps was just trying to survive transferring into a clone .. Maybe the Force talent was not as strong in his son.. Or as I just said.. He was too weak to do anything about it. Then he hears about his granddaughter..

he inexplicibly stopped after sending the bounty hunter to kill his "son" and her mother to retrieve Rey so he could get her, why did he stop looking for her he knew Rey wasn't dead

Why couldn't he find Yoda and Obi Wan? Perhaps he did not know her potential yet.. Perhaps he needed to catch her first get her close.. Either way she was hidden and her force power was not awaken yet.

why did even bother with Ben if his Ultimate goal was to posses REY. If he could get in bens head with his parents around and luke he surely could have reached Rey too. The only reason his powers didn't pass to his son is cause he was a failed clone not conceived naturally like Luke and Leia or Ben

He could not find Rey. Kylo was alive with the force long before Rey was.

How does a failed clone end up looking nothing like him..

Why can the force skip a clone but not a child?? Where is that written? I mean what is a child if not a sort of clone.

No no no you cant say he used ben to find Rey cause then when he was snoke he wouldn't have ordered him to kill her and then act completely taken by surprise when he didn't and killed snoke instead

Why did he need Luke when he had Vader? Why did he want to kill Padme in AOTC until he didn't want to. Why did he have Count D try and Kill Anakin (assuming Count D was following orders all the time) The Emperor is always changing his plans in some crazy SW was that only makes sense to him

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

IT says right there its no longer canon

Differences from later worksEdit
The planet Endor is said to have long since been destroyed in a cataclysm, leaving only the moon.
Ishi Tib is an individual rather than a species.
The Rancor is explicitly called a mutant.
Obi-Wan describes Owen Lars as his brother, and says that Padm? Amidala died when Luke and Leia were four. He also tells Luke that Anakin fell into lava, clawing his way out as Darth Vader. All of these would be retconned by the prequel trilogy.


So do you also believe that Lars is Obi wans brother from this hor**** elsewords book that was deemed no longer canon once Disney took over
This is the problem I have sometimes with this forum, its impossible to have an unbiased real discussion without people just posting random quotes or outright lies to support their own opinions, then they have the nerve to discount the actual canon passages as false. Forget all of it, again im glad you guys were able to turn your brains off to enjoy the movie. Nothing to see here move along- just more brainless stormtroopers rallying behind a cause they don't even fully understand

 

[TheDucky]

Y?all awakened a sleeping giant with some of this nonsense on these last 30 pages.

I eviscerated the ST and valiantly defended the PT with facts and sources once....

 

[JAWS]

IT says right there its no longer canon

Differences from later worksEdit
The planet Endor is said to have long since been destroyed in a cataclysm, leaving only the moon.
Ishi Tib is an individual rather than a species.
The Rancor is explicitly called a mutant.
Obi-Wan describes Owen Lars as his brother, and says that Padm? Amidala died when Luke and Leia were four. He also tells Luke that Anakin fell into lava, clawing his way out as Darth Vader. All of these would be retconned by the prequel trilogy.


So do you also believe that Lars is Obi wans brother from this hor**** elsewords book that was deemed no longer canon once Disney took over
This is the problem I have sometimes with this forum, its impossible to have an unbiased real discussion without people just posting random quotes or outright lies to support their own opinions, then they have the nerve to discount the actual canon passages as false. Forget all of it, again im glad you guys were able to turn your brains off to enjoy the movie

First off I didnt know that part was no longer canon until I looked it up for you. The first time I posted it is when we were talking about it and I got that info from anther site that i cant remember. But either way... Its in a ****ing book that was before the PT movies.. The movies decided to change it.. Why cant TROS be different from the book.. Is it because you feel the book came out after.

When ESB book came out Yoda was Blue. This was when the movie was in theaters.. Was Yoda then magically Blue?

 

[JAWS]

Y?all awakened a sleeping giant with some of this nonsense on these last 30 pages.

I eviscerated the ST and valiantly defended the PT with facts and sources once....

Dude... You can fanboy over the PT all you want.. I enjoy the PT but it is a glowing example of how not to make movies from a script / direction / and acting standpoint.

Just as the ST are a glowing example of how not to make a trilogy without a plan and allowing different directors to do whatever the **** they want.

Wor- Gar said it best and I will just repost what he said..

That's quite a post (posts).

Let's face it: Lucas evolved from 1977 to 1999. And it was not for the betterment of Star Wars. His interests were elsewhere.

Unfortunately, Star Wars (ANH) and The Empire Strikes Back seem to be the anomalies. Even in 1978, the Holiday Special showed us what Lucas was capable of.


Further, after the first two, Lucas reigned supreme. ROTJ was driven by self-interest and toys. Nothing more. There is no love in that movie; it feels vacant. Something that had to be finished, quickly. Then, Lucas really took charge for the PT -- even taking on what he said he hated: directing. All three movies in fact. Why? Control. Nothing more. Once again, emphasis on toys. So much so there was even a Star Wars Night BEFORE the first trilogy movie even opened to unveil the toys. The Toys. And even moreso than ROTJ, the PT felt vacant of genuine emotion and purpose, disjointed, poorly structured and cluttered with "neat things" for toys.

I mean, what was the purpose of the PT? There is an argument that the OT is modern parable about Man vs Machine -- a story about a lone natural boy armed with only his spirit fighting against the Evil Machine (technology) that wants to engulf us all. But what was the PT in that sense? It really is nothing more than a long-winded lead-in to how Vader became Vader. If its a story about corruption, then why did Lucas make Anakin turn into Vader in literally 5 seconds in the 3rd movie? The idea of a 'tragedy for kids" doesn't even make sense. But we all know why it was made. Money and toys. There's not much more too it. At its heart, the only 'study in corruption' that comes from the PT is the story of Lucas himself, ruling over his realm and surrounded by McCallums.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

First off I didnt know that part was no longer canon until I looked it up for you. The first time I posted it is when we were talking about it and I got that info from anther site that i cant remember. But either way... Its in a ****ing book that was before the PT movies.. The movies decided to change it.. Why cant TROS be different from the book.. Is it because you feel the book came out after.

When ESB book came out Yoda was Blue. This was when the movie was in theaters.. Was Yoda then magically Blue?

No the book came out so much later because both lucas films and disney knew people were pissed off they didnt get a real explanation for palpatine so they added it into the novel. It was actually a pretty big deal and people like me were looking forward to reading it to find out what happened. You cant bring back someone who obviously dies then just shows up in the last movie without proper explanation its bad story telling and filmmaking- atleast the acknowledged this with the book and tried to give people an explanation that made sense with what they showed in the movie eg the Cloned Snokes and the Timeline for the son's age since he was not born during the OT (so he fits in the story's timeline to be old enough to be Rey's dad). Had he been born naturally he would have inherited his fathers powers like rey did and the rest of the skywalker family. Moreover had he been born during the OT (naturally) Palpatine would have groomed him and dumped both vader and luke