Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Wor-Gar]

sound a bit like one of those born-again Christians that roam neighborhoods.

This gave me my second laugh of the day after the "nine-part reboot with a plan" thread.

First, what neighborhood do you live in that has wandering born-agains roaming the streets?

I imagined Khev roaming while ringing a bell: Hear-ye, hear-ye! There is a plan for all ye faithful. Palpatine has seen it. And it is glorious.


That's how they roam.

 

[The Buffinator]

Ya thats a good explanation but palps would have found her and killed her immediately, his reach had no limits, and he didnt leave any angles open that could come back to get him. Again the only reason he allowed the clone to live was because he was worthless in his eyes, not a threat to him, he just didnt think the clone would find a girl and have a baby or if he did have a baby he wouldnt attempt to hid it from him. The minute the son did that it was over, palp had him killed

I've got to disagree on this point, as if his reach had no limits he would have located and disposed of Luke & Leia long before they could become a threat to him. So if they could go undetected from him (and Leia wasn't exactly lying low at the beginning of the OT), it's conceivable that his baby momma could do so as well.

Regarding his son having/not having Force affinity, I never thought of the Force as a genetic trait that was passed down in families. While offspring of Force wielders would be more likely to have an aptitude as well, I thought it was mainly due to their being taught how to open themselves up to the Force. "It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together."

 

[The Buffinator]

This gave me my second laugh of the day after the "nine-part reboot with a plan" thread.

After seeing that, I wanted to start a poll to determine if we should suspend Prime's ability to start polls.

 

[Khev]

Whoops! I just got back from hitting the mountain bike trails and thought well, let's log in and see who I offended. I definitely did not see this one coming! Sorry!

Like I said "none taken."

This gave me my second laugh of the day after the "nine-part reboot with a plan" thread.

First, what neighborhood do you live in that has wandering born-agains roaming the streets?

I imagined Khev roaming while ringing a bell: Hear-ye, hear-ye! There is a plan for all ye faithful. Palpatine has seen it. And it is glorious.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Fair points the only difference being he would know of his son's existence he did not know of Luke or Leia's cause the Jedi took all precautions to make sure they were hidden. Even darth vader didn't know he had kids. Padme happened to die at the right time, and they made her look like she was still pregnant during her funeral procession. Its not an equivalent comparison. The emperor was tricked at his own game, but when it came to the empire and the whores you believe he slept with, there is no way in hell he wouldn't have them under constant surveillance. This was how he was able to kill his "son" so easily, he obviously knew where he was at all times, however the little bastard didn't try to hide a kid from him so he just let him be, and when he did that was the end of him

 

[punisher1974]

What the hell happened in this thread. Missed a few days and all hell breaks loose.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

What the hell happened in this thread. Missed a few days and all hell breaks loose.View attachment 490414

The thread has no where else to go but to discus plot points, with covid there are no other movies to talk about. If you got a better movie to talk about right now that hasn't already been discussed to death please feel free to start a new thread or bump an existing one. I guess you could bump Trolls 2 but I doubt you will get many participants

 

[The Buffinator]

Fair points the only difference being he would know of his son's existence he did not know of Luke or Leia's cause the Jedi took all precautions to make sure they were hidden. Even darth vader didn't know he had kids. Padme happened to die at the right time, and they made her look like she was still pregnant during her funeral procession. Its not an equivalent comparison. The emperor was tricked at his own game, but when it came to the empire and the whores you believe he slept with, there is no way in hell he wouldn't have them under constant surveillance

Wait, why would he know that? I mean, obviously he knew eventually as he sent Wor-Gar's pal Ochi of Bestoon to kill him and his wife, but it's not like he'd instantly know he'd conceived a son with this woman. And it's also not as if he never made any mistakes, so IMO a woman could have eluded whatever spies/assasins he sent after her. In my head canon she probably found sanctuary with someone akin to Bail Organa, and after giving birth unwisely decided to hit up the Emperor for child support. Once it became public that he had a kid, he decided not to off mom & son right away due to the bad PR & the fact that the kid wasn't all that special.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

LOl ya I guess that can work too, I try hard do use my understanding of star wars based on the OT lore not other **** to understand why they brought certain aspects into the ST. I don't want to repeat myself anymore but in OT lore Sith don't care about reproducing offspring, because they abide by the rule of two, and that offspring could pose a threat to their power. The one thing TROS got right is that Palps was trying to clone a suitable host body using his genes since he wanted to live forever in his own skin, he killed his master before he learned this power. Even if we assume sith care about sex (eventough this goes against most everything we know about sith from star wars lore) He would know he slept with a woman and she had a son- he is smart enough to know how babies are made and that baby could be a threat to him. Powerful people don't just sleep with woman and not cover their asses because they have good reason for doing so. If you buy the idea that palps was dumb of enough to risk all that he has built to satisfy a trivial need (to him atleast at this point) to get his rocks off with sex then he would Definitely made sure these ladies were executed on spot so they couldn't give birth to a potential threat to his power.

 

[Prime Clone]

After seeing that, I wanted to start a poll to determine if we should suspend Prime's ability to start polls.

Hey wait...

 

[The Buffinator]

LOl ya I guess that can work too, I try hard do use my understanding of star wars based on the OT lore not other **** to understand why they brought certain aspects into the ST. I don't want to repeat myself anymore but in OT lore Sith don't care about reproducing offspring, because they abide by the rule of two, and that offspring could pose a threat to their power. The one thing TROS got right is that Palps was trying to clone a suitable host body using his genes since he wanted to live forever in his own skin, he killed his master before he learned this power. Even if we assume sith care about sex (eventough this goes against most everything we know about sith from star wars lore) He would know he slept with a woman and she had a son- he is smart enough to know how babies are made and that baby could be a threat to him. Powerful people don't just sleep with woman and not cover their asses because they have good reason for doing so. If you buy the idea that palps was dumb of enough to risk all that he has built to satisfy a trivial need (to him atleast at this point) to get his rocks off with sex then he would Definitely made sure these ladies were executed on spot so they couldn't give birth to a potential threat to his power.

We're coming at this from polar opposite positions. You're pulling from any/all sources at your disposal, whereas I go strictly by what's on screen and use my imagination to fill in the blanks as needed (which I believe Khev, JAWS, jye, and others do as well). Nothing wrong with either approach, provided we recognize the difference and realize that because of it we're never going to agree on a lot of things.

 

[The Buffinator]

Hey wait...

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

We're coming at this from polar opposite positions. You're pulling from any/all sources at your disposal, whereas I go strictly by what's on screen and use my imagination to fill in the blanks as needed (which I believe Khev, JAWS, jye, and others do as well). Nothing wrong with either approach, provided we recognize the difference and realize that because of it we're never going to agree on a lot of things.

I get this but if we hold what is shown on screen as the standard not many movies would have plot holes, especially when people just use head canon to explain them away as if they dont exist. Holding this same standard true to the DC movie BvS screaming martha wasnt as funny as people thought. Martha in that world was the name of both of their mothers, and when batman saw clark, an alien, show true concern for his own mother, who happened to have the same name and was a human it snapped him out of it his blood lust. He saw clark for what he truely was just like him a person with true human emotions and concerns, which was the catalyst for bringing bruce back from his dark place. He realized in the moment he had become like the villains he was hunting.

 

[The Buffinator]

I get this but if we hold what is shown on screen as the standard not many movies would have plot holes, especially when people just use head canon to explain them away as if they dont exist. Holding this same standard true to the DC movie BvS screaming martha wasnt as funny as people thought. Martha in that world was the name of both of their mothers, and when batman saw clark show true concern for his own mother, who happened to have the same name, a human it snapped him out of it his blood lust.

I didn't find it funny - IMO it simply didn't track that Clark suddenly referred to her as "Martha" when she was always "Mom" to him. I know some argue that he did it purposely because he was aware of the coincidence, but IMO that seemed to be an after-the-fact "head canon" excuse as well.

p.s. - Let's not argue about BvS in this thread too!

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

I didn't find it funny - IMO it simply didn't track that Clark suddenly referred to her as "Martha" when she was always "Mom" to him. I know some argue that he did it purposely because he was aware of the coincidence, but IMO that seemed to be an after-the-fact "head canon" excuse as well.

p.s. - Let's not argue about BvS in this thread too!

I understand completely, Clark never refered to her as Martha in MoS, maybe now you can understand why thinking the same emperor from the OT and ROTS had sex and had son is crazy and laughable to me. Because just like the martha **** it came out of left field and doesn't not jive or is consistent with any movie containing the emperor that came before it. But if you take the Martha comment at face value it makes perfect sense, just like the emperor having a son

 

[The Buffinator]

I understand completely, Clark never refered to her as Martha in MoS, maybe now you can understand why thinking the same emperor from the OT and ROTS had sex and had son is crazy and laughable to me. Because just like the martha **** it came out of left field and didnt not jive with any movie that came before it

I can understand your seeing it that way but from where I sit I don't see the parallel. Palpatine was previously a politician in a system ripe with corruption, and IMO it's not a stretch to think he might have developed a habit of satisfying some non-Sith-related "urges" while he was "rising" to power.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

I can understand your seeing it that way but from where I sit I don't see the parallel. Palpatine was previously a politician in a system ripe with corruption, and IMO it's not a stretch to think he might have developed a habit of satisfying some non-Sith-related "urges" while he was "rising" to power.

Sith dont have urges for sex thats the fallacy right there.n Just like vampires dont sparkle and they are not good lovers, their sex is drinking your blood. Its dumb twillight **** to humanize a ruthless evil villain monster like that. Chicks might like it but they dont really care about star wars as kathleen Kenedy found out the hard way. Force is female my ass they could give to **** about rey, now Reylo maybe but she killed it lol

 

[JAWS]

Sith dont have urges for sex thats the fallacy right there.n Just like vampires dont sparkle and they are not good lovers, their sex is drinking your blood. Its dumb twillight **** to humanize a ruthless evil villain monster like that. Chicks might like it but they dont really care about star wars as kathleen Kenedy found out the hard way. Force is female my ass they could give to **** about rey, now Reylo maybe but she killed it lol

Where does it say the sith done like a good hankering.. If he gets off on evil are you trying to tell me every time the emperor does something evil he blows a load in his robe.


AS for Vampires and Sex.. You are correct... Depending on the film / novel.. Some films allow the vampires to bang others don't.

I always took it that they had sex with their mouths because the Pipes don't work. No heartbeat means no blood flow = ED

Plus it was an easy way to convey in the films that there was something sexual going on without showing it.

I think Dracula was the first to sexualize the Vampire. Other legends had them as just monsters who drank blood. I could be wrong on that though.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Where does it say the sith done like a good hankering.. You mean to tell me every time the emperor does something evil he blows a load in his robe.

No its based on no sith having kids, in fact anakin was the first jedi to have kids "the forbiden Love". Palpatine didnt love anyone but himself the whole idea of that disfigured dude banging a chick is just ****ing insanity. Not to mention, if anything he was never shown to be attracted to women, which is why he never had a female apprentice. That has to mean something If were just going to base things on what we see in the movies, palps didnt even like women he liked boys and men which is why he gave anikan all those creepy pedophile looks in the PT and again never had a female apprentice

 

[JAWS]

This was something I found on the internet so it must be true
Vampires can have sex: Fact. While the act of feeding replaces all physical urges, vampires can still indulge in sex and even take pleasure from it. Curiously, however, the emotional aspect of sex vanishes after the Embrace. A vampire might enjoy the physical sensation of sex, but no more than she enjoys a particularly savory smell or the touch of a luxurious fabric.