Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[punisher1974]

Yeah I think this one definitely needs the colors. I guess George Miller is yet another filmmaker who doesn't know the best version of his own film.

Thanks for posting those punisher.

No problem. Fury Road needs the color for sure. I usually prefer the original version of a movie. Wor-Gar mentioned Close Encounters and I agree with that. At least Spielberg gave the different versions on blu ray release. E.T. I'm glad they did away with the walkie talkies in place of guns. I wish when the movies are changed they give the buyer each version so they can choose what they watch. Blade Runner was another good example. I do like the final cut but I prefer the original with the narration and to me Deckard will always be human.

 

[a-dev]

I cringe when the people who these types of films resonate with suggest that things like Avengers Endgame (which I had a great time seeing) should receive any awards or accolades other than their amazing box office receipts. Were you that guy?

I kinda was - but only because Black Panther had been nominated the previous year and Infinity War was actually a far more impressive movie and it didn't get any serious nomination as I recall. I wasn't broken up about it or anything but felt it exposed how tokenistic the BP nomination had been rather than the Oscars tipping the hat to the movie-making feat of Infinity War and the MCU as a grand modern mythology....OK yeah maybe I was a bit annoyed.

 

[TheDucky]

Well to folks who appreciate films and filmmaking a well made film will always resonate with them because they love the art form and enjoy seeing the work of a great filmmaker at peak performance.
If what resonates with someone is Muh Lightsabers...Muh Superheroes...then no...I guess the sheer beauty of an artistically crafted piece of cinematic art alone will not do it.
Believe it or not most of the greatest works in cinema do not include laser blasters and guys in colorful costumes fist fighting while a city crumbles around them.
I really enjoy the MCU and Star Wars movies too...but I know that they are not art by any stretch of the imagination.
I cringe when the people who these types of films resonate with suggest that things like Avengers Endgame (which I had a great time seeing) should receive any awards or accolades other than their amazing box office receipts. Were you that guy?
Unfortunately, and I say this with as much kindness as I can muster, I am only going to end up befuddled attempting to discuss cinematic art with anyone who thinks that something like TROS is...well...cinematic art...

So..... what do you think of The Dark Knight then?

It?s one of the greatest movies ever. It?s probably the greatest movie I?ll ever watch too. With one of the greatest performances ever.

Should have won far more awards than it did, but snobs looked down upon it because it?s a ?superhero? film, which is a complete ****ing joke to say that because it really wasn?t a superhero film and as if a ?superhero? movie is somehow inherently less than say a mafia movie or a romance on a boat story or two confederates falling in love movie.

What about Avengers Endgame? One of the greatest cinematic experiences of all time.

What about Infinty War? One of the greatest ?bad guy wins? films.

What about Raimi Spider-Man? Logan? Into the Spider-Verse? Guardians of the Galaxy? Avengers 1? Winter Soldier? These movies deserved nominations over some of the crap that was actually nominated.

 

[a-dev]

What it comes down to - is one genre of storytelling inherently worth more or less than another? Is the world of fantasy and imagination worth less than any given subject that's rooted in reality? Some will answer yes to these questions, others will say no. Might actually be worth a poll thread.

 

[Prime Clone]

So..... what do you think of The Dark Knight then?

It?s one of the greatest movies ever. It?s probably the greatest movie I?ll ever watch too. With one of the greatest performances ever.

It certainly transcended superhero films, but for me that was part of the problem, it was *too* realistic. So it was my favourite superhero film only until BvS, which balanced realism with fantasy (and also featured my fave portrayal of Bats).

 

[jal76]

So..... what do you think of The Dark Knight then?

It?s one of the greatest movies ever. It?s probably the greatest movie I?ll ever watch too. With one of the greatest performances ever.

Should have won far more awards than it did, but snobs looked down upon it because it?s a ?superhero? film, which is a complete ****ing joke to say that because it really wasn?t a superhero film and as if a ?superhero? movie is somehow inherently less than say a mafia movie or a romance on a boat story or two confederates falling in love movie.

What about Avengers Endgame? One of the greatest cinematic experiences of all time.

What about Infinty War? One of the greatest ?bad guy wins? films.

What about Raimi Spider-Man? Logan? Into the Spider-Verse? Guardians of the Galaxy? Avengers 1? Winter Soldier? These movies deserved nominations over some of the crap that was actually nominated.

The Dark Knight is a cinematic masterpiece that was shepherded into existence by a talented and visionary filmmaker with an artistic vision. The goal was not to build a multi movie franchise or sell action figures or theme park tickets.
All of the other MCU movies that you listed are fun and entertaining movies with minimal at best artistic value.
The Dark Knight is one of the most egregious examples of a deserving film not being nominated for the Best Picture Academy Award...Guardians of the Galaxy and Avengers should be deservedly nominated for pop culture and sci fi society awards.

 

[jal76]

What it comes down to - is one genre of storytelling inherently worth more or less than another? Is the world of fantasy and imagination worth less than any given subject that's rooted in reality? Some will answer yes to these questions, others will say no. Might actually be worth a poll thread.

There are great cinematic masterpieces that are rooted in the world of fantasy...Pan's Labyrinth, The LOTR Trilogy, Tarkovsky's films Stalker and Solaris, 2001, The Shining...the list goes on. Its not the genre in my opinion, but the filmmaking and the vision behind the film.

 

[TheDucky]

What it comes down to - is one genre of storytelling inherently worth more or less than another? Is the world of fantasy and imagination worth less than any given subject that's rooted in reality? Some will answer yes to these questions, others will say no. Might actually be worth a poll thread.

No, I don’t believe so. Personal worth? Of course, because we all have our favorite genres, but in terms of just a general sense, absolutely not.

Can you imagine if we rephrase the question to this? Is one race of people inherently worth more or less than another?

I think it’s honestly the same line of thinking when it comes to judging genres (just for a far less serious issue). One isn’t inherently better than the other. It’s absolutely ridiculous. I’d enjoy seeing someone try to defend this view, say why a drama is inherently better than a fantasy story. Are there really Drama Supremacists out there or Comedy/Superhero/Fantasy Supremacists?

It certainly transcended superhero films, but for me that was part of the problem, it was *too* realistic. So it was my favourite superhero film only until BvS, which balanced realism with fantasy (and also featured my fave portrayal of Bats).

That’s why I liked it. It took a genre that the general public and critics looked at as for kids or just a silly story and gave it a sense of profound realism. It grounded the genre to the point it almost wasn’t even a superhero film at all, but more so an urban crime drama.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

So..... what do you think of The Dark Knight then?

I hate that movie

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

So..... what do you think of The Dark Knight then?

It?s one of the greatest movies ever. It?s probably the greatest movie I?ll ever watch too. With one of the greatest performances ever.

Should have won far more awards than it did, but snobs looked down upon it because it?s a ?superhero? film, which is a complete ****ing joke to say that because it really wasn?t a superhero film and as if a ?superhero? movie is somehow inherently less than say a mafia movie or a romance on a boat story or two confederates falling in love movie.

What about Avengers Endgame? One of the greatest cinematic experiences of all time.

What about Infinty War? One of the greatest ?bad guy wins? films.

What about Raimi Spider-Man? Logan? Into the Spider-Verse? Guardians of the Galaxy? Avengers 1? Winter Soldier? These movies deserved nominations over some of the crap that was actually nominated.

You should not expect to get a valid unbiased response from any die hard marvel fan, there are many of them lurking in these forums. I would take any responses you get with a grain of salt. Any unbiased person will tell you that the Dark Knight is both a technical achievement and great movie that happens to seemlessly blend superhero stuff into a real world gritty environment without it feeling jaring, corney or like a summer popcorn flick. It has great acting, great direction, great dialog, and overall is one of the better movies Nolan has ever made. Its doesnt feel like a superhero movie it feels like a reality based mob movie with the major focus on characters and deeper messages (which is why we got some really profound lines of dialog). The funny thing to me is that Black Panther was nominated for an oscar, as decent as that film was it paled in comparison to the Dark Knight, even batman begins is a better movie then BP and that isnt me trying to disrespect BP cause i actually liked that movie even though many die hard marvel fans did not, or at least not as much as the critics did. Many marvel fans called it boring light on action a snoozefest

 

[ironwez20]

The dark knight is still the greatest comic book movie of all time. Don?t @ me

 

[Khev]

BB > TDK

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

BB > TDK

I can see that, i love BB even more so then tdk, but for most tdk is the unanimous favorite film in the nolan trilogy, and i fully undertand why thats the case. BB is a bit more my style i loved seeing this origin Story play out And whats he went thru to become batman, i loved his character growth, the moment he became batman when he refused to follow Raz during that dinal ninja test once he found out what they were planing to do to gotham. Also that “where is he scene” where he literally made falcone **** his pants

 

[Khev]

I fan see that, i love BB m as be even more so then rdk, for most tdk is the unanimous favorite film in the nolan trilogy, and i fully undertand why thats the case. BB is smore my style i loved seeing his origin Story play out And that “where is he scene” where he made falcone **** his pants

Yep. Great origin, great aesthetic for Gotham, and the most satisfying conclusion of the trilogy. I also really like the fantasy elements with calling the bats for reinforcement, Scarecrow's visions, and the endearingly over the top microwave emitter.

TDK does have the truck chase and interrogation sequence which arguably are the top two sequences of the entire trilogy but as an overall film BB is far and away my #1 choice.

 

[jye4ever]

Yep. Great origin, great aesthetic for Gotham, and the most satisfying conclusion of the trilogy. I also really like the fantasy elements with calling the bats for reinforcement, Scarecrow's visions, and the endearingly over the top microwave emitter.

TDK does have the truck chase and interrogation sequence which arguably are the top two sequences of the entire trilogy but as an overall film BB is far and away my #1 choice.

I find the BB chase > TDK chase lol


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[Prime Clone]

BvS warehouse scene > BvS > TDK > BB

 

[user 64404]

I think the whole nolan trilogy was good but he tried so much being realistic that all of the Batman glamour fade in the course of the movies. Its a good trilogy but Nolan have better movies in his portifolio but i really say this with certain, he did not understand who Batman really is.

 

[JAWS]

The Dark Knight is a cinematic masterpiece that was shepherded into existence by a talented and visionary filmmaker with an artistic vision. The goal was not to build a multi movie franchise or sell action figures or theme park tickets.
All of the other MCU movies that you listed are fun and entertaining movies with minimal at best artistic value.
The Dark Knight is one of the most egregious examples of a deserving film not being nominated for the Best Picture Academy Award...Guardians of the Galaxy and Avengers should be deservedly nominated for pop culture and sci fi society awards.

TDKR really hurt my enjoyment of TDK.. Its really amazing.

At one point In my life I would have thought of TDK as a masterpiece also.. But TDKR has moments that drive me crazy and it transfers back to TDK

It is a great film though. Probably is a masterpiece.

 

[jye4ever]

BvS warehouse scene > BvS > TDK > BB

TWS > BvS warehouse > BvS > TDK > BB


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[JAWS]

TWS > BvS warehouse > BvS > TDK > BB


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You dont believe most of that do you ??