Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER
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Believe it or not most of the greatest works in cinema do not include laser blasters and guys in colorful costumes fist fighting while a city crumbles around them.
I really enjoy the MCU and Star Wars movies too...but I know that they are not art by any stretch of the imagination.
I cringe when the people who these types of films resonate with suggest that things like Avengers Endgame (which I had a great time seeing) should receive any awards or accolades other than their amazing box office receipts. Were you that guy?
Unfortunately, and I say this with as much kindness as I can muster, I am only going to end up befuddled attempting to discuss cinematic art with anyone who thinks that something like TROS is...well...cinematic art...
Not sure if most here don't agree with you overall about this.
I dont know a single person who has called TROS Cinematic art...
But what is cinematic art? Does it have to be somewhat pretentious?? Does art really have to be Artsy Fartsy
IMO Time is the only true way to tell if something is really a masterpiece. Great cinematic art will survive / inspire / and influence
IMO the verdict is still out on a film like Fury Road.
TDK was the reason Best pics Noms went from 5 to a possible 10.
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Hmmmmmm Yes and no.. There are parts I like better.. The whole Ending of BB lost me a bit. I do like it more now.
I think I will have to revisit these films again.. Its been a while.. Maybe just watch the first two and quit there. I don't even hate TDKR.. but I hate what it does to the trilogy as a whole.
jye4ever
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BvS ultimate cut>bb>tdk
Bb>Tdk>bvs theatrical cut
The only problem with the ultimate cut is that its long as **** but its an epic movie. That theatrical cut is a complete johns/warner hackjob, i cannot stand that cut at all. It completely cuts out most of clark kents story line and some very important scenes. It makes supes come off like a ****ing ********
Bb>Tdk>bvs theatrical cut
The only problem with the ultimate cut is that its long as **** but its an epic movie. That theatrical cut is a complete johns/warner hackjob, i cannot stand that cut at all. It completely cuts out most of clark kents story line and some very important scenes. It makes supes come off like a ****ing ********
What makes you like the Ultimate cut so much more. I did not think it added much at all. We had the side story of the woman who made up the story about Superman.. But really the rest of it seemed to be mostly people watching TV.
Seriously I think there are three different added scenes were people are watching the tube. I really dont recall the DC that well but I remember thinking it was not that much better.
Serious question.. What made it so much better that it leap frogged TDK and BB for you
What makes you like the Ultimate cut so much more. I did not think it added much at all. We had the side story of the woman who made up the story about Superman.. But really the rest of it seemed to be mostly people watching TV.
I really dont recall the DC that well but I remember thinking it was not that much better.
Serious question.. What made it so much better that it leap frogged TDK and BB for you
First it explains why supes is even upset with batman to begin with. The theatrical cut just has him fly in and say the bat is dead bury it (what???) they cut out the scene where the lady explains she was setup by lex lurther to lie about superman burning those bodies. A better long fight scene with batman v superman. Just to name a few, but the clark kent parts they cutt were actually very important to the story itself. It shows why he thinks batman is a threat that needs to be stopped, the woman literally begs him to help the peope of gotham that her husband was branded by the bat the killed in prison. It had the old weird 1 eye dude in gotham showing supes that card and again warning him about batman. It shows clark as an investigating reporter. It shows why superman flys off after the courthouse explodes. He was basically told by the police we dont want you here to help. This then leads into that conversation with Lois on the balcony where he contemplates his purpose here and then flys off. Alot of important story and character building as wel as explanation all cut. Hell even the intro was better it explained wtf was even going on and how they framed supes to begin with (its like 30 min longer opening footage). Lois story is also more fleshed out, in the threatrical cut she really did nothing outside of the first scene (damsel in distress) and throw and grab that spear. In the ultimate it explains what she investigating and why she was even in that desert and how she made the connection to luther
jye4ever
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What makes you like the Ultimate cut so much more. I did not think it added much at all. We had the side story of the woman who made up the story about Superman.. But really the rest of it seemed to be mostly people watching TV.
I really dont recall the DC that well but I remember thinking it was not that much better.
Serious question.. What made it so much better that it leap frogged TDK and BB for you
Absolutely nothing if anything I think its worse than the theatrical because now I have to sit thru extra scenes of people watching tv and a very thorough kitchen food pantry mystery.
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They had the same scene of him watching (the news) tv in the theatrical its just slightly longer and again they cut out the part of the video that explains his reaction to it (eg that all the prisoners the bat was branding were getting killed in prison- that the bat brand was a death sentence)
In civil war the avengers watched the news too all the back lash from their failed xbones encounter and why wanda had to go into hiding
jye4ever
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As much as I love BB/TDK my go to movie for action remains TWS.
TWS has the single best hand to hand action choreography of any domestic made movie in the history of cinema for me.
Sure, TDK, Raiders, Die Hard, T1, T2, RW, CTB, Predator 1 and Robocop 1 might be overall better action movies BUT the hand to hand, hand to shield, hand to gun combat in TWS is an 11/10!
The way Cap brutally kicks and punches people in that movie is insane.
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TWS has the single best hand to hand action choreography of any domestic made movie in the history of cinema for me.
Sure, TDK, Raiders, Die Hard, T1, T2, RW, CTB, Predator 1 and Robocop 1 might be overall better action movies BUT the hand to hand, hand to shield, hand to gun combat in TWS is an 11/10!
The way Cap brutally kicks and punches people in that movie is insane.
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Yes tws is awesome for that but think how many people cap killed with those brutal tactics. Try watching the kill count, its more like Captain Slaughter. Cap still thought he was fighting the nazi’s same thing in civil war when he saves bucky. Simply brutal. Those poor cops lol. He was tossing fools out windows kicking them down flights of stairs **** me man, bashing thier skulls in with his shield, breaking arms and limbs. Cops should not **** with captain america. Ill still never forget the first time my son watched civil war, he was pretty young. He was like daddy why is captain america hurting police officers? I had no answer other then its a comic book movie its not real, the real captain america wouldnt harm police officers
When it comes to the Nolan trilogy, I llike BB more than TDK too. My only gripe with BB is how he used a rather fantastical mcguffin in an otherwise realistic setting. That microwave emitter in BB, why doesn't it cook everyone else around it?
When it comes to the MCU, you are right that TWS is notable for its action. I also like Civil War for its character development. Those 2 landmark MCU films are what paved the way for Infinity War and Endgame IMO. It's probably no coincidence they were all directed by the Russo Brothers.
I do not like TDKR‘S story at all, batman gets ass kicked by bane, who btw was joke of a villain, a fraud, a puppet, an insecure pathetic wanabe badass, making Talia the real villain, bruce healing inexplicably from a broken back without the proper medical care then managing to climb out of the pit with said healing broken back. Bruce wanting to give up being batman and retire again while he should have still been in his prime, Bruce wayne being completely depressed and broken (i get why just didnt need to see him like that the whole time) the stupid open ending, batman being schooled by Salina kyle, wanting to quit at such a young age (afflecks bat was older then bales and he was still kicking ass) to drink capacino in italy with anne hathaway, did i mention emo bruce and the stupid ending. Baaane the dark, i grew up in the dark sucking on talia”s tittie lol. The terrible fight choreography at the end, batman just had to hit non moving targets who didnt really fight back at all- its like red guard twirly guy in tlj actually trying not to hit rey while he spins away like a graceful ballerina- literally everyone he fights other than bane is like this.
abake
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TDK a "masterpiece"?
Hey, it's a good, perhaps even great, movie, but it's nowhere near a "masterpiece".
I mean, we're talking "masterpiece" as in The Godfather, Schindler's List, Apocalypse Now, 2001, Citizen Kane, yes?
Hey, it's a good, perhaps even great, movie, but it's nowhere near a "masterpiece".
I mean, we're talking "masterpiece" as in The Godfather, Schindler's List, Apocalypse Now, 2001, Citizen Kane, yes?
Would you consider any of the following Movies masterpieces: Saving Private Ryan, Braveheart, gladiator, spartacus, full metal jacket, platoon, the shining, dr, strangelove, taxi driver, lawrence of arabia, Patton, psycho, ben her, pulp fiction, jaws, ghandi, casablanca, letters from iwo jima, unforgiven
Have to agree with this.
That whole bridge sequence is one of the best actions sequences ever.
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