Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Have to agree with this.

That whole bridge sequence is one of the best actions sequences ever.

TWS is arguably one of the better mcu movies, maybe even the best in the series. The russo’s really understand how to frame and shoot action scenes especially hand to hand combat. I think they are at their best filming cap scenes more so then they are the bigger superhero brawls where all the cgi is required. Dont get me wrong they are good at that too but there is just something about the way they film close quarter combat its raw, realistic, and again pretty brutal. With the proper sound setup you in the audience can definitely feel the impact and weight behind each blow. Even if its not the best in series, the fight choreography (non cgi) is definitely up there as the best in series. The action was relentless and the story was really good. The ending was actually fantastic, classic cap willing to die for his friend. Infinity war is great too, its an epic rollercoaster ride for sure but for a more grounded superhero movie tws is the ****. Its in my top 3 marvel movies for sure (id call it my favorite but then ill watch infinity war again and be like wait is it so i just say top 3 lol)

 

[jal76]

TDK a "masterpiece"?
Hey, it's a good, perhaps even great, movie, but it's nowhere near a "masterpiece".
I mean, we're talking "masterpiece" as in The Godfather, Schindler's List, Apocalypse Now, 2001, Citizen Kane, yes?

Not all masterpieces are created equally All of the films you listed are obviously masterpieces...but 2001 is a superior film to Apocalypse Now...The Godfather is better than Schindler?s List...Apocalypse Now is one of my all time favorite films and I would say that The Dark Knight is on par with it in purely cinematic terms.

 

[Prime Clone]

TDK was the Batman movie I waited 20 years for, after finding the Burtonverse a bit of a letdown. I wanted a more realistic, chilling "Silence of the Lambs in spandex" and TDK delivered in spades.

Then, never satisfied, I wanted something more fantasy! And BvS delivered on that.

 

[jal76]

Its somewhat poetic that a thread dedicated to discussing one of the worst movies of all time has metamorphosed into a thread dedicated to discussing some of the best movies of all time.

 

[JAWS]

Not all masterpieces are created equally All of the films you listed are obviously masterpieces...but 2001 is a superior film to Apocalypse Now...The Godfather is better than Schindler?s List...Apocalypse Now is one of my all time favorite films and I would say that The Dark Knight is on par with it in purely cinematic terms.

JAWS is better then all of em

 

[JAWS]

Soooooo With all the talk about Mad Max: Fury Road got me in the mood to watch it again tonight.


Here is why its not a masterpiece.

The 1st hour is fantastic.

The 2nd hour is a snooze fest.


It blows its load in the first hour. Now I am not talking about the fact that the film slows down to take a breath. Its just that nothing in the 2nd hour is close to the beginning. The action in the 2nd hour is average at best. Nothing exciting. Nothing amazing. Just kind of Meh.

I do love that first hour though. Had the film been able to achieve the a climax as good as the first hour then yeah.. I may have called it a masterpiece.

 

[JAWS]

Its somewhat poetic that a thread dedicated to discussing one of the worst movies of all time has metamorphosed into a thread dedicated to discussing some of the best movies of all time.

One of the worst movies of all time??

You gotta get out more.

l

 

[JAWS]

Would you consider any of the following Movies masterpieces: Saving Private Ryan, Braveheart, gladiator, spartacus, full metal jacket, platoon, the shining, dr, strangelove, taxi driver, lawrence of arabia, Patton, psycho, ben her, pulp fiction, jaws, ghandi, casablanca, letters from iwo jima, unforgiven

I stand by original statement on what makes a film a Masterpiece.

Time is the only true way to tell if something is really a masterpiece. Great cinematic art will survive / inspire / and influence

Now ay movie can be a masterpiece to someone.. But to be a true masterpiece it has to survive / inspire / and influence.

Many of the films you named off I would say fit that criteria. There are a few I personally would not give that title to.

 

[JAWS]

First it explains why supes is even upset with batman to begin with. The theatrical cut just has him fly in and say the bat is dead bury it (what???) they cut out the scene where the lady explains she was setup by lex lurther to lie about superman burning those bodies. A better long fight scene with batman v superman. Just to name a few, but the clark kent parts they cutt were actually very important to the story itself. It shows why he thinks batman is a threat that needs to be stopped, the woman literally begs him to help the peope of gotham that her husband was branded by the bat the killed in prison. It had the old weird 1 eye dude in gotham showing supes that card and again warning him about batman. It shows clark as an investigating reporter. It shows why superman flys off after the courthouse explodes. He was basically told by the police we dont want you here to help. This then leads into that conversation with Lois on the balcony where he contemplates his purpose here and then flys off. Alot of important story and character building as wel as explanation all cut. Hell even the intro was better it explained wtf was even going on and how they framed supes to begin with (its like 30 min longer opening footage). Lois story is also more fleshed out, in the threatrical cut she really did nothing outside of the first scene (damsel in distress) and throw and grab that spear. In the ultimate it explains what she investigating and why she was even in that desert and how she made the connection to luther

Ok I kinda remember that stuff. I have only watched it once. I will have to give it another go..


The BvS fight is longer?? I don't remember any of that.

 

[JAWS]

Not all masterpieces are created equally All of the films you listed are obviously masterpieces...but 2001 is a superior film to Apocalypse Now...The Godfather is better than Schindler?s List...Apocalypse Now is one of my all time favorite films and I would say that The Dark Knight is on par with it in purely cinematic terms.

Its all subjective. I would say 2001 is not as good as Apocalypse Now and as much as I love The Godfather I think Schindler's List is more of a masterpiece.

 

[JAWS]

As much as I love BB/TDK my go to movie for action remains TWS.

TWS has the single best hand to hand action choreography of any domestic made movie in the history of cinema for me.

Sure, TDK, Raiders, Die Hard, T1, T2, RW, CTB, Predator 1 and Robocop 1 might be overall better action movies BUT the hand to hand, hand to shield, hand to gun combat in TWS is an 11/10!

The way Cap brutally kicks and punches people in that movie is insane.


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I love TWS action but it is not as good as the John Wick choreography (I know Jye does not agree ) Knife fight in part 3 is some great stuff.

I also think the Atomic Blond Stairwell fight is better then TWS highway fight. TWS has just a bit too much shaky Cam for me to ever give it the highest marks. I do love the elevator fight though.


The Fury car chase in TWS is the best action scene in the movie and the best action scene in the entire MCU.


I do love TWS. Still the best movie of the MCU.

 

[abake]

Would you consider any of the following Movies masterpieces: Saving Private Ryan, Braveheart, gladiator, spartacus, full metal jacket, platoon, the shining, dr, strangelove, taxi driver, lawrence of arabia, Patton, psycho, ben her, pulp fiction, jaws, ghandi, casablanca, letters from iwo jima, unforgiven

Oh, definitely, quite a few of those!


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[abake]

TWS is arguably one of the better mcu movies, maybe even the best in the series. The russo?s really understand how to frame and shoot action scenes especially hand to hand combat. I think they are at their best filming cap scenes more so then they are the bigger superhero brawls where all the cgi is required. Dont get me wrong they are good at that too but there is just something about the way they film close quarter combat its raw, realistic, and again pretty brutal. With the proper sound setup you in the audience can definitely feel the impact and weight behind each blow. Even if its not the best in series, the fight choreography (non cgi) is definitely up there as the best in series. The action was relentless and the story was really good. The ending was actually fantastic, classic cap willing to die for his friend. Infinity war is great too, its an epic rollercoaster ride for sure but for a more grounded superhero movie tws is the ****. Its in my top 3 marvel movies for sure (id call it my favorite but then ill watch infinity war again and be like wait is it so i just say top 3 lol)

Agreed, it certainly is one of the best (and most ?serious?) MCU movies. The one thing I definitely dislike is all the tedious exposition, that really takes it down a few notches for me.


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[abake]

Not all masterpieces are created equally All of the films you listed are obviously masterpieces...but 2001 is a superior film to Apocalypse Now...The Godfather is better than Schindler?s List...Apocalypse Now is one of my all time favorite films and I would say that The Dark Knight is on par with it in purely cinematic terms.

Indeed, they are not all created equal, however... considering just those four in comparison to TDK, I do believe that in pure cinematic terms they have things in common that place them in a different category. I would argue that each of those films have better cinematography, better soundtrack/sound design, better script, better acting, and are more innovative in what they brought in general to cinema than anything TDK has to offer. Not to mention that I find the themes and stories they touch upon much more profound.
But hey, it sounds like I am crapping on TDK, but that is not my intention, I do think it is a great movie!


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[Prime Clone]

It blows its load in the first hour.

Had the film been able to achieve the a climax

Your avatar should be a sperm whale!

 

[TheDucky]

I do not like TDKR?S story at all, batman gets ass kicked by bane,

That's kind of the point of Bane From Knightfall to the most recent run, Bane has always been somebody to kick Batman's ass.

who btw was joke of a villain, a fraud, a puppet, an insecure pathetic wanabe badass,

How was he a joke of a villain if he beat Batman and took over Gotham all while surviving the pit? I don't see how he was pathetic or a fraud.

making Talia the real villain

Good twist imo

bruce healing inexplicably from a broken back without the proper medical care then managing to climb out of the pit with said healing broken back.

There are fractures that heal on their own.

Bruce wanting to give up being batman and retire again while he should have still been in his prime,

They built up all the abuse he took over the years with scars and such. Realistically he wasn't in his prime. This is a realistic take. How many years can someone realistically go on like that?

Bruce wayne being completely depressed and broken (i get why just didnt need to see him like that the whole time)

New take on him in film. What's bad about that?

the stupid open ending

Batman is never a story that ends because Batman becomes more than just one man, but an idea, a mindset, an action, hope, etc..

batman being schooled by Salina kyle

Don't remember this.

Baaane the dark, i grew up in the dark sucking on talia?s tittie lol.

In the comics that is kind of true. And Talia was just a kid...

The terrible fight choreography at the end, batman just had to hit non moving targets who didnt really fight back at all- its like red guard twirly guy in tlj actually trying not to hit rey while he spins away like a graceful ballerina- literally everyone he fights other than bane is like this.

I don't follow this complaint. Batman rips through them easily, as he should... he is Batman. So, you complain the random thugs don't put up enough of a fight but complain that Bane puts up too much of a fight?

TDK a "masterpiece"?
Hey, it's a good, perhaps even great, movie, but it's nowhere near a "masterpiece".
I mean, we're talking "masterpiece" as in The Godfather, Schindler's List, Apocalypse Now, 2001, Citizen Kane, yes?

None of those movies are better than TDK for me. The only thing those movies have on TDK is time.

Would you consider any of the following Movies masterpieces: Saving Private Ryan Braveheart, gladiator, spartacus, full metal jacket, platoon, the shining, dr, strangelove, taxi driver, lawrence of arabia, Patton, psycho, ben her, pulp fiction, jaws, ghandi, casablanca, letters from iwo jima, unforgiven

Saving Private Ryan. Pulp Fiction. Braveheart. Rest are meh to laughably cheesy.

Its somewhat poetic that a thread dedicated to discussing one of the worst movies of all time has metamorphosed into a thread dedicated to discussing some of the best movies of all time.

Shows you just how destroyed Star Wars really is. People rather talk about good movies than this trash pile.

One of the worst movies of all time??

You gotta get out more.

l

Yeah. That's TLJ.

 

[aussiebottt]

Damn there goes Ducky ripping somebody else to shreds just like he did to Khev. Remind me never to get into a slanging match with you.

 

[TheDucky]

Damn there goes Ducky ripping somebody else to shreds just like he did to Khev. Remind me never to get into a slanging match with you.

Don't think we will. We mostly agree on everything

 

[e30ernest]

Talia's death in TDKR is probably one of the worst acted death scenes ever. The only worst acted death scene that comes to mind is this one:





Which is odd, because Marion Cotillard is a great actress.... So I wonder what went wrong with that death scene.

 

[ironwez20]

Don't think we will. We mostly agree on everything

I mostly agree with you ducky but I hate the dark knight rises. Idk it just felt..... hollow. And that thing they did with robin pissed me off.