Don't think we will. We mostly agree on everything
He really dislikes the Iron Studios Darth Vader.
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He really dislikes the Iron Studios Darth Vader.
Don't think we will. We mostly agree on everything
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Your comment wins the internet today sir haha!
Shame on you Ducky.. You cant say that unless you seen the movie.. And there is one movie on there you already admitted to not seeing so I am willing to bet there are a few others
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Yes to bolded, but it's just my personal opinion....and only the first half of Full Metal Jacket is a masterpiece...the second half actually kinda sucks.
I love that this is still the official thread for that dumpster fire "SW" movie, but it's basically been bickering about Batman movies the last several pages.
And what makes a movie a "masterpiece?" I don't know....general consensus I suppose, and not just critics. Critics are irrelevant these days. We're all as qualified or more than most "critics." Any jerkoff with a phone can be a movie critic on youtube.
Don't forget that the Academy Awards are completely and utterly meaningless. They were originally crafted as a way to incentivize actors without giving them pay raises, and it worked. It still works. How many multi-millionaire actors take a huge pay cut to play a (insert oppression/handicap/disability/suffering here) whatever in some indie flick just to chase that illusive trophy? The Oscars mean NOTHING.
If a movie truly resonates with audiences and it stands the test of time, it becomes a masterpiece. I'm pretty jaded and very critical and cynical these days. In other words, I'm pretty hard to impress. I think the last movie I saw that I'd consider a masterpiece was "The Departed" and that came out quite a while ago.
I think The Dark Knight and Joker will be more fondly remembered in a decade's time than any of the other DC movies, and the Marvel movies, while entertaining, are more of a mass of blurred images and sequences than a single film that people will remember. If any movie came closest to being truly quality cinema, I'd say it was Infinity War, but it's more like saying what was the best episode of Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad than what was the best movie? They all blur together. Which one did Iron Man save like 13 people falling out of a plane? I thought that was dope. I don't even remember which one that was.
In the end, we'll never agree. We're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Maybe we can agree on ONE thing though....the original 1977 Star Wars in indeed and will always be, a masterpiece.
And to quote that immortal film:
The longer threads always evolve into something else. As soon as Khev, Jey, Buff, or my self watch TROS again and talk about our enjoyment of it this thread will go back to the usual post of people telling us we are wrong to enjoy it
This is a great statement !!!!
Yep... I think I tried to say it was more of a classic before and that ESB was a masterpiece.. But I had been thinking about that and I must have reverted to my old film snobbery days... SW is a masterpiece. One of the top 3 in fact
Yep...
But it sure is fun
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Jye does it all the time tho. And gets really into it.
Shame on you Ducky.. You cant say that unless you seen the movie.. And there is one movie on there you already admitted to not seeing so I am willing to bet there are a few others
Meh is my reaction to the ones I never saw (and some I did see), because I don’t really care enough to see them (no offense). So, it’s just “meh.”
I can’t stand watching most old movies though, say pre 80s. Never liked them outside a very very select few.
I love TWS action but it is not as good as the John Wick choreography (I know Jye does not agree
I also think the Atomic Blond Stairwell fight is better then TWS highway fight. TWS has just a bit too much shaky Cam for me to ever give it the highest marks. I do love the elevator fight though.
The Fury car chase in TWS is the best action scene in the movie and the best action scene in the entire MCU.
I do love TWS. Still the best movie of the MCU.
To be fair to the Russo's they really didn?t have the same freedom that the john wick choreographers had since they were bound to a PG13 rating-so obviously the fights in TWS weren't as brutal as they could have been if it was an R rating.
Id loved to see the Russo's unleashed with say a John wick movie, the hand to hand combat with knives, pencils, swords, or whatever **** john has at his disposal, the close quarter gun fights would be amazing too. John Wick seems like a tailored made character for them to direct a sequel of someday- I personally would just love to see them make a movie with a character like Wick, no holds barred full on R rated action romp. Now if you don?t like shaky cam at all then yes you would still probably prefer john Wick , even if the Russo's ever got a chance to make a Wick film or at least a movie equivalent too it, because it would probably include the shaky cam technique.
I also prefer the fighting in John Wick over TWS but they were able to go full-on hardcore, they had any weapon (knives, guns, swords, pencils) at their disposal which would allow them to be even more innovative with the fight scenes and more vicious with the kills.
Talia's death in TDKR is probably one of the worst acted death scenes ever. The only worst acted death scene that comes to mind is this one:
Which is odd, because Marion Cotillard is a great actress.... So I wonder what went wrong with that death scene.
No way is that clip worst acted than Talia's death. The stupidity of the above comes from the ridiculous slow motion with extended ADR yelling. Play it normal speed with his real grunts and groans and it might have been decent. That said his death did kind of remind me of OJ Simpson walking back and forth into all the hazards on the boat in The Naked Gun, lol.
The action, editing and especially the music is just so damn perfect in that sequence. To this day it's the only action sequence in the entire MCU that either of my kids actually described as "scary."
Ok that explains why you listed off only 2, you caught me off guard cause a lot of those on the list are unanimously considered to be masterpieces. I intentionally included and eclectic list like this (from many different eras) cause at the very least we could get insight as to how different people define masterpieces.
1) If someone picks many of the older movies, one can infer there definition of masterpiece includes the following A )it must stand the test of time, still be relevant after many years, and still be just as enjoyable to watch as it was the day it was released. It still has a profound impact on you after many years.
2) Then there are purely technical movies like say Dr. Strangelove or 2001, that may not have lasting appeal in terms of replay ability in modern times, but the techniques employed had a lasting impact on the films (techniques) that resonate with you today.
3)Then there are others that don’t care about how old the movie is at all, or if it’s able to stand the test of time, it’s all about how it resonates with you in the here and now (and even 5 -10 years into the future), and how relevant the film is at capturing modern issues or making profound statements.
I am not suggesting either approach is right or wrong i just find it interesting-I myself probably fall somewhere between 1 and 3
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I agree with this. They are better with live-action action. Keep it grounded and they are masters.
Understandable why IW and EG had to go super-massive as a climax to 19 films though.
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Now you've done it, Jye. Now you have to put your entire entourage of idiots into that boat -- Maz, laughing Cap, Poor Gar, all of them!
Now you've done it, Jye. Now you have to put your entire entourage of idiots into that boat -- Maz, laughing Cap, Poor Gar, all of them!
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Excellent post.
As for the statement I put in bold, you don't consider "No Country For Old Men" worthy of that distinction? If you don't mind, I'd be curious to know why.
And as long as I'm pestering you, I'd also appreciate your thoughts about "Parasite" not making your cut. Is it the social commentary that bugs you, or were you unimpressed in a more general sense?
Oh I am sure he does if he listed the departed both films are worthy of the title. There are a lot of modern masterpieces but it seems that older films are listed more often as true masterpieces, which leads back to my last post discussing the various criteria people use to define masterpieces. For some the movie may be still too new to qualify as a masterpiece cause it has not been around long enough to stand the test of time, it needs to still be relevant and resonate with you 35 years from now and be just as enjoyable as it was the first time you watched it (replay ability).
Yeah, it really is.
It did change so many things in Hollywood... as well as in the technical way movies were made: the fast cutting, sound, bringing back wall-to-wall epic scoring, the sheer volume of movie magic, did I say SOUND DESIGN... and of course the way all SFX were done. As well as story structure -- the Hero's Journey really became the defining structure.
Yep.. I dont know if it needs 35 years but a film needs time.
Sometimes a masterpiece is not appreciated at the time of release. The Shining, Blade Runner, Apocalypse Now, Fantasia, and the Graduate were not critical darlings when they were released.
One of my all time favs that I consider a masterpiece, John Carpenter's The Thing, was Hated by critics and bombed at the box office.
The opposite can be true also. At the time of their release I think some were thinking Titanic and Forrest Gump might be masterpieces but that sort of talk has cooled off.
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