Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Yeah, it really is.

It did change so many things in Hollywood... as well as in the technical way movies were made: the fast cutting, sound, bringing back wall-to-wall epic scoring, the sheer volume of movie magic, did I say SOUND DESIGN... and of course the way all SFX were done. As well as story structure -- the Hero's Journey really became the defining structure.

A New Hope is a masterpiece for a number of reasons: 1) It?s completely innovative and changed the movie industry going forward- the special effects and techniques employed were like nothing that had every been seen before, they just took it all to another level. The story itself is very engaging, it is just as enjoyable today as it was back in 1977, it has survived the test of time, in fact its arguable still the best sci movie ever seen on the golden screens. Not only was it a technical achievement, it literally blew the minds off of kids/teenagers and parents alike back in 1977 (the new movie standard back then at least), and it still resonates and blows their minds today. There are not many movies with more replay ability as star wars, while the themes may not be completely modern (man always saves girl, diverse cast), they do capture the times perfectly in which the films were made. A hero born into nothing (he did not know he was the son of vader) on some desert planet has a chance encounter with a very special droid and his whole world changes and that journey is simply amazing-it?s timeless. It you judge star wars by all the criteria it meets all the check marks-it had technical ingenuity breaking major grounds with special effects that were copied by many movies that came after it up until CGI took over, it had a wonderful story that's still impactful and relevant today, it was very entertaining, and it has been able to stand the test of time. A new hope today resonates with me the same way it did the first time I saw it, same with ESB and am sure it will continue to resonate with me till day I die.

 

[JAWS]

Yeah, it really is.

It did change so many things in Hollywood... as well as in the technical way movies were made: the fast cutting, sound, bringing back wall-to-wall epic scoring, the sheer volume of movie magic, did I say SOUND DESIGN... and of course the way all SFX were done. As well as story structure -- the Hero's Journey really became the defining structure.

Yeah and thats why I woke from my coma and say the same thing. It is a brilliant movie in every way. So far ahead of its time yet reaching to the past to bring back magical film making.

I think ajp4mgs needs to follow my lead and apologize to SW

 

[JAWS]

The action, editing and especially the music is just so damn perfect in that sequence. To this day it's the only action sequence in the entire MCU that either of my kids actually described as "scary."

I know it was the only time in the MCU that I was one the edge of my seat.

 

[JAWS]

To be fair to the Russo's they really didn?t have the same freedom that the john wick choreographers had since they were bound to a PG13 rating-so obviously the fights in TWS weren't as brutal as they could have been if it was an R rating.

Id loved to see the Russo's unleashed with say a John wick movie, the hand to hand combat with knives, pencils, swords, or whatever **** john has at his disposal, the close quarter gun fights would be amazing too. John Wick seems like a tailored made character for them to direct a sequel of someday- I personally would just love to see them make a movie with a character like Wick, no holds barred full on R rated action romp. Now if you don?t like shaky cam at all then yes you would still probably prefer john Wick , even if the Russo's ever got a chance to make a Wick film or at least a movie equivalent too it, because it would probably include the shaky cam technique.

I also prefer the fighting in John Wick over TWS but they were able to go full-on hardcore, they had any weapon (knives, guns, swords, pencils) at their disposal which would allow them to be even more innovative with the fight scenes and more vicious with the kills.

I am not taking anything away from their PG rated action.. I was just saying its not the best american fight scene in films.

Now if someone said it was the best PG-13 rated fight scene.. I might go along with that. I would have to watch the MI: Fallout bathroom fight again to fully back TWS.

 

[ajp4mgs]

I think ajp4mgs needs to follow my lead and apologize to SW

Wait, what!?

I think you're getting me confused with jal76. You'll never catch me saying that SW/ANH is anything other than a masterpiece. It's a no-brainer, and I instantly dismiss anyone's credibility who suggests that SW isn't a masterpiece. And it's also my favorite one in the franchise.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Wait, what!?

I think you're getting me confused with jal76. You'll never catch me saying that SW/ANH is anything other than a masterpiece. It's a no-brainer, and I instantly dismiss anyone's credibility who suggests that SW isn't a masterpiece. And it's also my favorite one in the franchise.

He probably just inferred that cause you tear apart the OT on occasion when defending TLJ. You've done that on multiple occasion, that's why its better not to defend that pos movie, and if you do definitely dont cite what you perceive to be OT failures as why TLJ is a good star wars movie lol. Let RJ to do that, he likes to attack star wars fans and the OT,, let him be the fool that says why his movie is good star wars flick, if not better then the OT (in his own mind) and why the stupid past had to die (he didnt like it)

 

[ajp4mgs]

He probably just inferred that cause you tear apart the OT on occasion when defending TLJ. You've done that on multiple occasion, that's why its better not to defend that pos movie, and if you do definitely dont cite what you perceive to be OT failures as why TLJ is a good star wars movie lol. Let RJ to do that, he likes to attack star wars fans and the OT,, let him be the fool that says why his movie is good star wars flick, if not better then the OT (in his own mind) and why the stupid past had to die (he didnt like it)

Oh FFS.

Defending one movie that I liked by comparing elements that are being criticized with similar instances in the OT (which I LOVE) isn't tearing apart the OT. It's merely calling out a double standard when I perceive one. If you see it differently, so be it. If you can't get it through your head that I see TLJ (and probably ALL of the SW movies and shows) differently than you do when I watch it, then just try to take my word for it that I do.

It's not about "OT failures" when comparing. It's about issues that were always way too trivial for any of us to be critical of when the OT was all we had. We all saw and recognized things that either didn't make much sense or weren't perfect, but those instances were irrelevant at the end of the day because the total picture of all 3 movies overwhelmed any imperfections. And I'm one of the few here who unashamedly defend ROTJ, so yes: all *three* OT movies that I love.

 

[JAWS]

Wait, what!?

I think you're getting me confused with jal76. You'll never catch me saying that SW/ANH is anything other than a masterpiece. It's a no-brainer, and I instantly dismiss anyone's credibility who suggests that SW isn't a masterpiece. And it's also my favorite one in the franchise.

You are right

Jal76 owes SW an apology


It?s so funny... Every single one of his posts for the past few pages I was thinking was you...

I thought it seemed weird with some of the things being said. Didn?t seem like you.


Now I know why

 

[ajp4mgs]

You are right

Jal76 owes SW an apology


It?s so funny... Every single one of his posts for the past few pages I was thinking was you...

I thought it seemed weird with some of the things being said. Didn?t seem like you.


Now I know why

Ah crap!

I know I can be pretentious from time to time, but some of the posts here in the last several pages have actually made me cringe with how obnoxiously pretentious they were.

Thanks for clearing that up, JAWS.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Oh FFS.

Defending one movie that I liked by comparing elements that are being criticized with similar instances in the OT (which I LOVE) isn't tearing apart the OT. It's merely calling out a double standard when I perceive one. If you see it differently, so be it. If you can't get it through your head that I see TLJ (and probably ALL of the SW movies and shows) differently than you do when I watch it, then just try to take my word for it that I do.

It's not about "OT failures" when comparing. It's about issues that were always way too trivial for any of us to be critical of when the OT was all we had. We all saw and recognized things that either didn't make much sense or weren't perfect, but those instances were irrelevant at the end of the day because the total picture of all 3 movies overwhelmed any imperfections. And I'm one of the few here who unashamedly defend ROTJ, so yes: all *three* OT movies that I love.

Relax dude, all I am saying it’s weird for someone that says they love the OT but then deliberately finds problems in it in order to prop up of a universally panned star wars movie. You can spin this any way you want it’s just wrong, TLJ isn’t even in the same sport as New Hope or ESB, it’s like comparing the d league in basketball to the pros. There is no comparison, the fact you would even criticize the OT to prop up TLJ shows you don’t really appreciate the OT for what it was, I mean common nobody in their right mind thinks any movie in the ST was as good as the OT. So Why do you feel the need to use what you perceive to be flaws in the OT and then spin these minor flaws and equate them to the major flaws/complaints people have with the ST specifically with TLJ. I could see doing this had the ST not changed characters so drastically that we could no longer recognize them, broke the canon of force including its limitations, how it works and everything we thought we knew about the laws governing its application, force obvious political agendas in the third act of a star wars movie where they did not belong even if it compromises the story, and tell you the past must die because we RJ and KK thought the OT sucks because it needed more females or that the skywalker story was lame because anyone should should be force sensitive just like broomboy. And the fact that how your raise and nurture your kids doesnt matter they will turn out just fine like rey, just drop them off on some desert planet and your good to go. Which imo is in major conflict with the overall message George was trying to send in the OT and PT. Luke turned out different from vader because he was allowed to be raised longer by his family, the people that loved him whereas anakin was stripped of that at too young of an age. Rey though it didnt matter, she spawned from evil, was raised by a despicible creature that showed her no love or kindness without parents, yet she still become the hero, the savior. This completely destroys the overall message of the OT and the explanation as to why the Jedi failed with Anakin in the PT. I just can’t understand how any true star wars fan can watch TLJ then have the nerve to bad mouth the OT in order to prop up a ****** star wars movie like TLJ. There is no way you liked the OT if you did you would have been insulted like the rest of us

 

[user 64404]

Relax dude, all I am saying it’s weird for someone that says they love the OT but then deliberately finds problems in it in order to prop up of a universally panned star wars movie. You can spin this any way you want it’s just wrong, TLJ isn’t even in the same sport as New Hope or ESB, it’s like comparing the d league in basketball to the pros. There is no comparison, the fact you would even criticize the OT to prop up TLJ shows you don’t really appreciate the OT for what it was, I mean common nobody in their right mind thinks any movie in the ST was as good as the OT. So Why do you feel the need to use what you perceive to be flaws in the OT and then spin these minor flaws and equate them to the major flaws/complaints people have with the ST specifically with TLJ. I could see doing this had the ST not changed characters so drastically that we could no longer recognize them, broke the canon of force including its limitations, how it works and everything we thought we knew about the laws governing its application, force obvious political agendas in the third act of a star wars movie where they did not belong even if it compromises the story, and tell you the past must die because we RJ and KK thought the OT sucks because it needed more females or that the skywalker story was lame because anyone should should be force sensitive just like broomboy. And the fact that how your raise and nurture your kids doesnt matter they will turn out just fine like rey, just drop them off on some desert planet and your good to go. Which imo is in major conflict with the overall message George was trying to send in the OT and PT. Luke turned out different from vader because he was allowed to be raised longer by his family, the people that loved him whereas anakin was stripped of that at too young of an age. Rey though it didnt matter, she spawned from evil, was raised by a despicible creature that showed her no love or kindness without parents, yet she still become the hero, the savior. This completely destroys the overall message of the OT and the explanation as to why the Jedi failed with Anakin in the PT. I just can’t understand how any true star wars fan can watch TLJ then have the nerve to bad mouth the OT in order to prop up a ****** star wars movie like TLJ. There is no way you liked the OT if you did you would have been insulted like the rest of us

Grow up!

 

[jal76]

Alright so maybe my disdain for the sequel trilogy is spilling over into my feelings about the and has sadly tainted OT and PT too for that matter...utter disdain...I will meditate for awhile and try to remove the ST from my mind and then get back to SW on whether or not an apology is in order.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Grow up!

Lol who are you, where did you come from and why are you even in this conversation? grow up? I did grow up and I still think TLJ is crap and anyone who tries to site flaws in the OT to justify the crap that we saw in TLJ is utterly insane or they just didn't like the OT to begin with. Pretentious is thinking your own opinion of a crappy movie like TLJ even holds a candle to the OT, you actually think your opinion is correct- talk about delusions of grandeur and bloviated head, lol the only pretentious people here are the ones trying to justify TLJ at the expense of minor OT flaws. Give me a break

 

[jal76]

Ah crap!

I know I can be pretentious from time to time, but some of the posts here in the last several pages have actually made me cringe with how obnoxiously pretentious they were.

Thanks for clearing that up, JAWS.

I?m just getting started...the discussion has not gone far enough yet for me to really share some of my deeper opinions on cinema!

 

[user 64404]

Lol who are you, where did you come from and why are you even in this conversation?, grow up? i did grow up and i still think TLJ is crap and anyone who tries to site flaws in the OT to justify the crap that we saw in TLJ is utterly insane or they just didn't like the OT to begin with.

You write like a child, you don't accept that other people have different opinions about a subjective work of art (yes, the films are subjective)

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

You write like a child, you don't accept that other people have different opinions about a subjective work of art (yes, the films are subjective)

lol hey AJP is this your second account, are you like Kevin Durant, all of sudden this dude (with very low post count i might add) out of nowhere starts defending you lol

 

[user 64404]

lol hey AJP is this your second account, are you like Kevin Durant, all of sudden this dude (with very low post count i might add) out of nowhere starts defending you lol

Dude open your mind, stop dealing with absolutes!
I just dont post as much as you, BUT as you can see my account is from 2017

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

naw i dont like burner accounts, if you need to defend yourself do it as yourself

 

[user 64404]

naw i dont like burner accounts, if you need to defend yourself do it as yourself

See, you're a immature child

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

See, you're a immature child

yes i am a "kevin" now grab your Jerkins, some tissue and a picture of Kylo's nipples from TLJ and have it at it. Keep all that love of TLJ to yourself especially if you feel the need to bad mouth the OT in order to justify your love of it