Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Khev]

The scripts wasn't ready, but the history was planned, of course he made a few changes during the way.

Of course. Don't confuse me for one of the derangement folks who screams "no plan" about any movie I don't like to the point of absurdity. He had specific things in mind that he wanted to show in the PT, his plans just were as concrete as the plans for the ST since the ST had a script for the final chapter well before the second chapter was even in theaters.

 

[Bravomite]

Of course. Don't confuse me for one of the derangement folks who screams "no plan" about any movie I don't like to the point of absurdity. He had specific things in mind that he wanted to show in the PT, his plans just were as concrete as the plans for the ST since the ST had a script for the final chapter well before the second chapter was even in theaters.

George was working on the screenplay for ROTS before the release of AOTC too and these movies had a larger gap between them than the accelerated ST so the PT wins.

 

[Khev]

George was working on the screenplay for ROTS before the release of AOTC too and these movies had a larger gap between them than the accelerated ST so the PT wins.

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"Working on?" Please. Duel of the Fates had a *complete* script over a year before TLJ hit theaters. ST wins.

 

[jal76]

I just did but I'm not surprised at all that you want to run away from that as fast as possible since Trevorrow was very familiar with her very early into the production of TLJ. So much for "writing in silos."



Wow, you really do have no idea how often a script can evolve and change right up until a film's release do you? "Baked into the shared story?" There's literally no such thing. Listen, I know it's "current year" so I get how trendy it is to state a narrative as fact no matter how big a pile of bull**** it is. So if you're one of those types who just can't let go of their preferred narratives then I'm going to let you do just that.

But the fact remains that the ST was planned more than the both the OT and PT. There's just no disputing that without an absolute detachment from reality.

And you are apparently one of those types that cannot form a coherent argument to support his stated position.
The filmmakers obviously had to have access to one another?s written screenplays in order to write the follow up films. I currently have access to the screenplay for TPM...that does not mean that I had any hand in writing it.
And now you have changed your position to the ST had MORE planning than the ST or the PT...well that was not what we were talking about...I have yet to compare it?s level of planning to the other trilogies...I am merely stating that the ST had NO planning...if the others did not either...so be it...does not change my point that the ST was not planned out in advance. Now do a quick Google search because you are embarrassing yourself.

 

[Bravomite]

"Working on?" Please. Duel of the Fates had a *complete* script over a year before TLJ hit theaters. ST wins.

Yes but that script was erased from the temple archives ... when was JJ's script completed?

This back and forth is fun but I've forgotten what the original point was haha

 

[Khev]

And now you have changed your position to the ST had MORE planning than the ST or the PT...well that was not what we were talking about...

Wow. My original post:

It's such a misnomer to claim that the ST "had no plan." I'm surprised to see even you perpetuating that JAWS. They had a plan. They had the entire trilogy outlined with the endgame in sight before even RO hit theaters. Colin Trevorrow's script dated November or December 2016 literally proves this. And Trevorrow himself confirmed on Twitter that the Duel of the Fates script (and all accompanying concept art also completed over a full year before even TLJ hit theaters) was indeed his.

The ST had a more unified plan than *both the OT and PT.* Do you think Lucas had a script for ROTS and concept art a year before AOTC hit theaters? Hell no. Do you think that ROTJ was written in 1979? HELL NO, lol. Disney/LFL did their due diligence and planned out the entire trilogy well in advance.

And that plan was to have TFA seem familiar with Snoke in the Emperor's role and Kylo in Darth Vader's role. Everything appeared the same but they were "going backward to go forward." And the "going forward" part was the huge twist that Snoke would not be the Emperor for very long and that the Darth Vader character (Kylo) was going to reign supreme this time around. However Disney saw how divisive TLJ was with the new ideas it was leaning into and called an audible with TROS. "Ditch the original plan. Go back to the familiar that audiences loved so much in TFA." And so they did. And the trilogy feels a bit disjointed due to the "course correction" but it isn't because they were making it all up as they were going. Far from it.

But ROTJ ditched the entire plan that George had with ESB so it's in good company. And TROS did a hell of a lot better of changing things at the last second than ROTJ did as well.

So I see you follow my posts about as well as you understand the film industry and the history of Star Wars. Take care little one.

 

[Khev]

Yes but that script was erased from the temple archives ... when was JJ's script completed?

This back and forth is fun but I've forgotten what the original point was haha

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[jye4ever]

"Working on?" Please. Duel of the Fates had a *complete* script over a year before TLJ hit theaters. ST wins.

Can?t wait for Disney to dump this insufferable witch and Lucas to save SW. Where did Disney find this feminist nazi monstrosity anyways!






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[jal76]

She was fine with his original screenplay. But when Carrie died his chapter required a massive overall and Trevorrow reportedly requested to KK that RJ be forced to let Luke live (so that he could fulfill Leia's role in Duel of the Fates) but she sided with RJ. So yes there was a plan. But Carrie's death and the backlash to TLJ changed the plan. But changing a plan due to evolving circumstances does not equal "not having a plan."

Do you have some kind of weird sad Mandela Effect thing going where as you make this stuff up as you type it you actually recall having read it somewhere even though you haven?t and have convinced yourself that it is true?
Or are you cynically just making it up and hoping that it sounds good enough to convince other people that it is true?
Not knocking you I am honestly curious.
Of course if it?s the first one then you don?t know so I am going to be a bit nicer to you because I genuinely feel sorry for you.

 

[ironwez20]

I just did but I'm not surprised at all that you want to run away from that as fast as possible since Trevorrow was very familiar with her very early into the production of TLJ. So much for "writing in silos."



Wow, you really do have no idea how often a script can evolve and change right up until a film's release do you? "Baked into the shared story?" There's literally no such thing. Listen, I know it's "current year" so I get how trendy it is to state a narrative as fact no matter how big a pile of bull**** it is. So if you're one of those types who just can't let go of their preferred narratives then I'm going to let you do just that.

But the fact remains that the ST was planned more than the both the OT and PT. There's just no disputing that without an absolute detachment from reality.

Holy **** khev lost his freaking mind! You honestly think this was planned more that OT and PT? GL had a solid plan for PT. Only thing that probably was changed was jar jar bring a sith. Someone check this man into a mental hospital

 

[ironwez20]

Well if khev honestly believes that the ST was planned then they did a terrible job of developing the characters, explaining things, horrible world building and awful story telling. If all that was planned then it sure seemed rushed. But I honestly believe it wasn?t. Khev just doesn?t want to admit how bad it is or else his doomcock self will win and jye will go into a severe depression.

 

[Asta]

Yea your his Igor to his Frankenstein

Holy **** khev lost his freaking mind! You honestly think this was planned more that OT and PT? GL had a solid plan for PT. Only thing that probably was changed was jar jar bring a sith. Someone check this man into a mental hospital

 

[user 64404]

Well if khev honestly believes that the ST was planned then they did a terrible job of developing the characters, explaining things, horrible world building and awful story telling. If all that was planned then it sure seemed rushed. But I honestly believe it wasn?t. Khev just doesn?t want to admit how bad it is or else his doomcock self will win and jye will go into a severe depression.

The ST was planned UNTIL the backlash of the TLJ and the producers choose to fear the fans instead of continue with the planning and the Trevorrow script.

 

[jal76]

The ST was planned UNTIL the backlash of the TLJ and the producers choose to fear the fans instead of continue with the planning and the Trevorrow script.

That is patently false. It was not planned. Not a knock on the ST...just a well documented fact.

 

[user 64404]

That is patently false. It was not planned. Not a knock on the ST...just a well documented fact.

So how come they plan a trilogy with 3 directors to make each part of the trilogy and after the TLJ suffer backlash from closed mind fans they change the plans to a JJ abrams script to close the trilogy?

It was always a trilogy, it was planned

 

[jal76]

Because they did.
You clearly have not researched any of this at all which is ok...but the reasons that Abrams came back have been well documented...just do the research. It will literally take you 2 seconds to get the factual answers to those questions.
Yes...the fact there would be 3 movies was planned...that was where the planning ended.

 

[user 64404]

Because they did.
You clearly have not researched any of this at all which is ok...but the reasons that Abrams came back have been well documented...just do the research. It will literally take you 2 seconds to get the factual answers to those questions.
Yes...the fact there would be 3 movies was planned...that was where the planning ended.

So show me those facts, JJ abrams was disney trying to abrupt change the backlash from TLJ this is where the planning ended

 

[jal76]

So show me those facts, JJ abrams was disney trying to abrupt change the backlash from TLJ this is where the planning ended

I am not Google...it?s not my responsibility to spend my afternoon cutting and pasting links into this forum. Don?t be lazy. This is not some hidden, arcane mystery...the information is a few key strokes away if you really care.

 

[Bravomite]

So show me those facts, JJ abrams was disney trying to abrupt change the backlash from TLJ this is where the planning ended

Can you prove to me that RJ did not have free reign to do anything he wanted with TLJ? It sure seems like he did. He even said that he shot the movie based on his first draft of the script. Zero changes, zero input from anyone else. Even when Trevorrow asked him to change it because of Carries' passing (so that nine could use a living actor, Mark Hamill, rather than try and salvage something from TFA cutting room floor material for Carrie) he flatly refused.

But yeh I'm sure it's because he was just keeping to the overall road map, that must be why he couldn't change course (even if 9 would have to change course anyway, such a Doomcock move if you ask me).

Also comparisons to the OT are hardly fair as Lucas did not know that he would get a sequel to Star Wars. He hoped he would but there was no guarantee but even so he had still mapped it out and 'Star Wars' was effectively the first act of the story he planned to tell (though plot points did of course change and develop from his original idea). With the ST they knew that it was going to be a trilogy from the get go and even if you subscribe to the notion that there was firm plan until Disney bottled it to appease the very minor but vocal TLJ backlash from some basement dwelling (sometimes racist) manbabies' certain point of view then are you not surprised with finality and closed ending of TLJ. What plot points were left dangling in front of the audience between movies to keep us interested?

 

[user 64404]

I was wrong about the backlash acording to collider Trevorrow spent two years on the project, but in September 2017(3 months before the last jedi) he was removed from the film from creative differences with KK, then JJ was hired to rewrite the script of episode 9