Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[user 64404]

Its very possible that palps was influencing anakin offscreen to some degree during the atoc time period. Just remember from the time atoc ended Anakin was away fighting in the clone wars he had relatively little to no contact with palps really until the events of revenge of the sith- the intro to that movie is literally the first time he had seen palps in years. All palps really did was pretend to be a friend to anakin in his early years in order to gain his trust. He did most of his manipulation after the war during the rots time frame

Actually in the Clone Wars(TV series) Palpatine maintain contact with Anakin. Palpatine started influencing Anakin since the first time they meet.

 

[Khev]

Well, let's examine young Ben Solo hearing Darth Vader's voice (btw, the idea of hearing him with the respirator is still hilarious to me ).

Why though? If he's hearing the voice of James Earl Jones (an artificial voice that is caused by Vader's life support system) then why would he *not* hear the respirator that also accompanied the very same life support system?

Did Snoke have any autonomy or was he merely a vessel for Palpatine?

"Throne Room Snoke" was a fully autonomous physical being. "Voice in Ben's Head Snoke" was Palpatine all along. Two different Snokes conceived to work in tandem to achieve the same purpose. Physical Snoke never showed himself to be capable of speaking directly to Kylo's mind ("bring Kylo Ren to me, it is time to complete his training" as opposed to just send those same instructions telepathically to Kylo.) We know that the physical Snoke was autonomous because TLJ revealed that he was plotting to betray Palpatine by ordering Kylo to kill Palps' prize (Rey) and join him and him alone.

 

[user 64404]

Why though? If he's hearing the voice of James Earl Jones (an artificial voice that is caused by Vader's life support system) then why would he *not* hear the respirator that also accompanied the very same life support system?



"Throne Room Snoke" was a fully autonomous physical being. "Voice in Ben's Head Snoke" was Palpatine all along. Two different Snokes conceived to work in tandem to achieve the same purpose. Physical Snoke never showed himself to be capable of speaking directly to Kylo's mind ("bring Kylo Ren to me, it is time to complete his training" as opposed to just send those same instructions telepathically to Kylo.) We know that the physical Snoke was autonomous because TLJ revealed that he was plotting to betray Palpatine by ordering Kylo to kill Palps' prize (Rey) and join him and him alone.

That makes total sense and explain the plot of the three movies, Snoke betraying Palpatine makes sense

 

[jye4ever]

Leia saying Snoke made me think of:

Snort

Coke





Awkward


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Palps doesnt strike me as a guy that would create snoke without having control or some contingency plan over him, especially if Rey was so important too him. Even if he wasnt a vessel of palps, he had to have officers in the first order (General pride) reporting on snoke which means he would know that snoke was after rey. Youd think he would definitely know that snoke had his precious granddaughter in the throne room and was ordering kylo to kill her. I cannot see palps taking such a huge risk like that; if snoke was completely autonomous, palps of all people would assume that snoke would turn on him cause thats what sith do lol (esp with snoke knowing palps probably cannot stop him in his current condition). Palps also lived by the rule of 2, its hard to imagine he would even allow 3 at any point in time, let alone create the third himself again without having some sort of control over the situation.

Also i cant get past this line in 2019 comic book Star Wars: Age of Resistance – Supreme Leader Snoke implied a direct connection between Snoke and Palpatine. In the book, Snoke speaks of Luke Skywalker to Kylo Ren, stating, "If I had your uncle by my side instead of you, the galaxy would have been mine a long time ago". Snoke is speaking as if he is palpatine here.

Unfortunately the films do not answer this question explicitly outside of showing that palps created snoke, it makes no sense that palps would allow snoke (his own creation) such autonomy. The one consistent element though is that both snoke and palps ordered ren to kill rey. We have to infer that palps wanted ren to kill rey, he was going to use ren as a host all along (why he waited so long and did not do it when ren first showed up in exegol wanting to kill palps is beyond me) but leia ****ed up that plan, by turning ben back so when Rey showed up in Exegol she became palps contingency plan by default since she was the only option left. If we are to assume palps wanted rey the whole time then his actions do not make any sense because ben was going to succeed in killing her ass the second time but his mother intervened. We know palps did not expect leia to do that cause he even says the princess/mother ****ed with his plan

 

[ajp4mgs]

Why though? If he's hearing the voice of James Earl Jones (an artificial voice that is caused by Vader's life support system) then why would he *not* hear the respirator that also accompanied the very same life support system?

That's just it, though. The idea of Kylo hearing a "synthesized" voice from a dead person. I'd imagine dead Anakin/Vader would no longer be needing the respirator in the afterlife (at least I hope not - that would suck ).

It wasn't grandfather Anakin's voice that Palps used, it was mechanically-breathing Vader from the beyond. Just me who finds it funny then? Oh well; at least I've got that bit of joy out of that movie if nothing else.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

That's just it, though. The idea of Kylo hearing a "synthesized" voice from a dead person. I'd imagine dead Anakin/Vader would no longer be needing the respirator in the afterlife (at least I hope not - that would suck ).

It wasn't grandfather Anakin's voice that Palps used, it was mechanically-breathing Vader from the beyond. Just me who finds it funny then? Oh well; at least I've got that bit of joy out of that movie if nothing else.

Lol you have a point. I wonder if kylo would even recognize anakins voice, it had been along time since anyone heard his real voice. I can see it now.. Kylo hears a voice in his head, “ben i am your grandfather” kylo “ no your not! my grandfather didnt sound like that, who are you really”. Voice in head “ No really i am your grandfather anakin skywalker”. Kylo “why are you talking to me, get me vader”

 

[ajp4mgs]

Lol you have a point. I wonder if kylo would even recognize anakins voice, it had been along time since anyone heard his real voice. I can see it now.. Kylo hears a voice in his head, ?ben i am your grandfather? kylo ? no your not! my grandfather didnt sound like that, who are you really?. Voice in head ? No really i am your grandfather anakin skywalker?. Kylo ?why are you talking to me, get me vader?

I don't think he'd recognize *either* voice. I doubt his parents played him tapes of Vader giving speeches.

But yeah, like Kylo'd be all, "Hey, you're not my dead grandpa! My dead grandpa would be talking to me through his respirator."

 

[jal76]

Palps doesnt strike me as a guy that would create snoke without having control or some contingency plan over him, especially if Rey was so important too him. Even if he wasnt a vessel of palps, he had to have officers in the first order (General pride) reporting on snoke which means he would know that snoke was after rey. Youd think he would definitely know that snoke had his precious granddaughter in the throne room and was ordering kylo to kill her. I cannot see palps taking such a huge risk like that; if snoke was completely autonomous, palps of all people would assume that snoke would turn on him cause thats what sith do lol (esp with snoke knowing palps probably cannot stop him in his current condition). Palps also lived by the rule of 2, its hard to imagine he would even allow 3 at any point in time, let alone create the third himself again without having some sort of control over the situation.

Also i cant get past this line in 2019 comic book Star Wars: Age of Resistance ? Supreme Leader Snoke implied a direct connection between Snoke and Palpatine. In the book, Snoke speaks of Luke Skywalker to Kylo Ren, stating, "If I had your uncle by my side instead of you, the galaxy would have been mine a long time ago". Snoke is speaking as if he is palpatine here.

Unfortunately the films do not answer this question explicitly outside of showing that palps created snoke, it makes no sense that palps would allow snoke (his own creation) such autonomy. The one consistent element though is that both snoke and palps ordered ren to kill rey. We have to infer that palps wanted ren to kill rey, he was going to use ren as a host all along (why he waited so long and did not do it when ren first showed up in exegol wanting to kill palps is beyond me) but leia ****ed up that plan, by turning ben back so when Rey showed up in Exegol she became palps contingency plan by default since she was the only option left. If we are to assume palps wanted rey the whole time then his actions do not make any sense because ben was going to succeed in killing her ass the second time but his mother intervened. We know palps did not expect leia to do that cause he even says the princess/mother ****ed with his plan

Your questions seem to suggest that you don?t realize that there are no answers because they literally were making all of this up as they went along.
Snoke WAS trying to kill Rey because back when that happened he was not a clone and Palpatine was dead as a door nail.
Palpatine?s plan for Rey did not exist and he himself was never going to appear in the ST.
Snoke was not given agency by Palpatine because in every one of Snoke?s actual appearances he was not a clone.
All of the Clone business was not the progression of Snoke?s storyline...it was a retcon of the movies that came before it.
You don?t think that as Johnson wrote Snoke?s dialogue and choices he had any clue that the character he was writing would be revealed to be Palpatine?s clone puppet in the next movie do you?
The reason it makes no sense is because Snoke?s storyline was not planned out.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Your questions seem to suggest that you don?t realize that there are no answers because they literally were making all of this up as they went along.
Snoke WAS trying to kill Rey because back when that happened he was not a clone and Palpatine was dead as a door nail.
Palpatine?s plan for Rey did not exist and he himself was never going to appear in the ST.
Snoke was not given agency by Palpatine because in every one of Snoke?s actual appearances he was not a clone.
All of the Clone business was not the progression of Snoke?s storyline...it was a retcon of the movies that came before it.
You don?t think that as Johnson wrote Snoke?s dialogue and choices he had any clue that the character he was writing would be revealed to be Palpatine?s clone puppet in the next movie do you?
The reason it makes no sense is because Snoke?s storyline was not planned out.

Oh i get all that im just trying to make sense of all the madness that unfolded before my eyes. Its a somewhat fun exercise even if it is futile. Just bashing it outright gets old after a while

 

[jye4ever]

How many intestine butt hole and poop references are there in SW anyways.

Death Star eye pooping out a laser

Lars homestead pooping out Luke

Trash compactor pooping out the trio.

Sarlacc pit pooping out a tentacle

Asteroid pooping out a worm

Assassin droid pooping out poison worms

Eopie butt pooping out a fart

Falcon circular hatch pooping out Lando with a hook

Cloud City window pooping out a flying Luke

Death Star shaft pooping out emperor energy

Energy shaft pooping out Obi Wan

Maz


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

You forgot to add

Shmi pooped out anakin

Padme pooped out leia and luke

Leia pooped out Ben

Chewie pooped out a porg then ate it

Palps pooped out Rey and snoke

George lucas pooped out KK

Kk pooped out RJ

RJ pooped out TLJ

Rose pooped on herself then vanished into thin air

Disney pooped on star wars

 

[Khev]

That makes total sense and explain the plot of the three movies, Snoke betraying Palpatine makes sense

Yep, TROS sure resolved everything quite nicely didn't it.

That's just it, though. The idea of Kylo hearing a "synthesized" voice from a dead person. I'd imagine dead Anakin/Vader would no longer be needing the respirator in the afterlife (at least I hope not - that would suck ).

It wasn't grandfather Anakin's voice that Palps used, it was mechanically-breathing Vader from the beyond. Just me who finds it funny then? Oh well; at least I've got that bit of joy out of that movie if nothing else.

Oh okay so you weren't referring to just the silliness of the respirator noise but also JEJ's voice being used at all for the reasons you mentioned. I guess I can easily assume that Ben Solo would have become accustomed to his late grandfather's look and voice through his meditations and visions (similar to how Rey heard the respirator noise as part of the vision she received when first trying to pick up Luke's saber in TFA.) Then Palpatine used Ben's growing knowledge of Vader to seemingly bring that persona back to life. Hell now that I think of it it could also explain why Kylo wore his own mask/apparatus when he didn't need it himself. It was a symbol of who he was just as his grandfather was retaining that symbol when *he* didn't need to in the afterlife. Silly? Probably, but it also all makes sense in a goofy SW kind of way for me, lol.

 

[Prime Clone]

?Throne Room Snoke" was a fully autonomous physical being. "Voice in Ben's Head Snoke" was Palpatine all along. Two different Snokes conceived to work in tandem to achieve the same purpose. Physical Snoke never showed himself to be capable of speaking directly to Kylo's mind ("bring Kylo Ren to me, it is time to complete his training" as opposed to just send those same instructions telepathically to Kylo.) We know that the physical Snoke was autonomous because TLJ revealed that he was plotting to betray Palpatine by ordering Kylo to kill Palps' prize (Rey) and join him and him alone.

Another revelation, cheers Khev!

Leia saying Snoke made me think of:

Snort

Coke





Awkward

Wonder how many takes it took.

 

[Khev]

Another revelation, cheers Khev!

Wonder how many takes it took.

 

[Prime Clone]

The reason it makes no sense is because Snoke?s storyline was not planned out.

It's obvious RJ had different intentions to what actually panned out. But he also said it was up to the next director to take the story in whichever direction they saw fit.

Another example: RJ said Kylo genuinely believed Rey's parents were nobodies when he told her.

As mentioned previously, maybe "anyone but J.J." would have been better for TROS as they wouldn't have felt the need to retcon TLJ's retcon of TFA.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

It's obvious RJ had different intentions to what actually panned out. But he also said it was up to the next director to take the story in whichever direction they saw fit.

Another example: RJ said Kylo genuinely believed Rey's parents were nobodies when he told her.

As mentioned previously, maybe "anyone but J.J." would have been better for TROS as they wouldn't have felt the need to retcon TLJ's retcon of TFA.

https://youtu.be/0NhCbcaLSVc

 

[jal76]

It's obvious RJ had different intentions to what actually panned out. But he also said it was up to the next director to take the story in whichever direction they saw fit.

Another example: RJ said Kylo genuinely believed Rey's parents were nobodies when he told her.

As mentioned previously, maybe "anyone but J.J." would have been better for TROS as they wouldn't have felt the need to retcon TLJ's retcon of TFA.

Yep...and there is nothing wrong with allowing each filmmaker to pick up the story and continue it according to their vision.
The maybe 3 people on the planet Earth who are so determined to protect the sequel trilogy that they have deceived themselves into believing that the ST had some grand plan and all of the contradictions were by design just need to stop embarrassing themselves on that front and accept that it factually did not.
The big problem, however, is the fact that 8 and 9 are in a blatant fight with one another and the losers of that fight end up being the audience.

 

[Prime Clone]

https://youtu.be/0NhCbcaLSVc

The big problem, however, is the fact that 8 and 9 are in a blatant fight with one another and the losers of that fight end up being the audience.

Here's a radical opinion, from the aptly named site Inverse:

Star Wars makes no sense, except for the prequels

 

[jye4ever]

I hope we get a doomcock reveal game show.

It has to be either that SW theory guy, Trevorrow or Snikit.

Unless it is Khev which would be kind of cool as well lol


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk