Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[TheDucky]

My God in Heaven.. I could care less how well an Anakin doll sells.. He still cant act!!!

Merch sales = long standing interest in the franchise

Merch sales = some sort of attachment to the material

Merch sales = liking the film


All you ST defenders do is dismiss merch sales time and time again. I truly don't know if I have some 40+ year old guys on a toy forum actually trolling or legitimately can't wrap their heads around the above fact or can't accept the fact out of so deep spite for the PT.

TOY SALES MATTER.

For all of you that talked yourself into believing they had a plan for this cluster**** of a trilogy, and that this embarrassment of a film was a carefully woven tale that perfectly wraps up the saga...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ELygTJL8Xg

Straight from Daisy herself; it doesn't get anymore legitimate than that.

khev in shambles

Hasn't posted since this bomb dropped.

Other then my post about why the small toys didn?t retain the value, You will have to point me to the post where I said that the ROTS toys didn?t sell... I just said that the fact it does sell merch does not mean that the film is well made or well acted.


That is what my original post was about... the fact that lots of crap sells.. That don?t mean the films are good..

That seems to be the basis for some why the PT are well made movies.

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See above.

I don?t hate ROTS. I just find it flawed and hugely disappointing.

I prefer Palps in TPM because he is not so over the top.

Music in TPM has many good themes ROTS has the one. I know some love all the dramatic sad music and it fits the film but as stand alone music it?s just not my fav.

As for Anakin The fact he becomes Vader is why he is given a major pass and some might call him ?cool? It?s why I give him one. If I didn?t the films would be unwatchable for me.

Geezus. You have to be kidding me.

Palaptine was ridiculously over the top in TROS. Far more than in any other movie.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Merch sales = long standing interest in the franchise

Merch sales = some sort of attachment to the material

Merch sales = liking the film


All you ST defenders do is dismiss merch sales time and time again. I truly don't know if I have some 40+ year old guys on a toy forum actually trolling or legitimately can't wrap their heads around the above fact or can't accept the fact out of so deep spite for the PT.

TOY SALES MATTER.



khev in shambles

Hasn't posted since this bomb dropped.



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See above.



Geezus. You have to be kidding me.

Palaptine was ridiculously over the top in TROS. Far more than in any other movie.

Are you surprised khev hasnt posted, he was the one blindly arguing with people that the ST was planned out- connecting things that made no sense and stating “facts” from various comments made by disney shills to prove them lol. If he posts anything in here now he will just get bombarded By you guys. Its probably best for him to lay low for a bit.

What esle can he do besides come in and say he was completely wrong and that the st was an unplanned mess. As much as he proclaims to love the st he cannot do that now without looking crazy or he is still to attached to the st to come to terms with what he just learned

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Merch sales = long standing interest in the franchise

Merch sales = some sort of attachment to the material

Merch sales = liking the film


All you ST defenders do is dismiss merch sales time and time again. I truly don't know if I have some 40+ year old guys on a toy forum actually trolling or legitimately can't wrap their heads around the above fact or can't accept the fact out of so deep spite for the PT.

TOY SALES MATTER.



khev in shambles

Hasn't posted since this bomb dropped.



...

See above.



Geezus. You have to be kidding me.

Palaptine was ridiculously over the top in TROS. Far more than in any other movie.

Im as surprised as you that jaws loves tros, but he says it fixes things for him that he didnt like in tfa or tlj. The only thing i can think Of is since he is a huge han fan He liked how it redeemed his character. That he was the one to finally turn ben back (even though it was leia) it was han that kylo had to talk with to fix his past mistake and to find peace with his father. He probabaly didnt like tfa cause it made han look like a poor husband and terrible father but again he leaned in tros that han wasnt a bad father it was all palpatine putting those thoughts in his head. He can correct me if im wrong, i am not trying to speak for him but i usually agree with him on most all movies but tros is wierd one for us or for me to undertand why he likes it. If its a han thing i somewhat understand. He also knows then why i hate tlj so much as a major luke fan because it destroyed his character far worse then anything tfa did to han

The only characters that were redeemed In tros was ben and han (han because we were informed it was all palps in bens mind telling him his parent hated him) he was not a bad father he loved his son deeply he was just a bad husband to leia taking off like that. Tros did not fix leia or luke they made tljs problems worse by going so far in the other direction. Force ghost luke no rey i was wrong i was a coward to hide here, yes i have ultimate force ghost powerS but im still scared, you go off now and fix my mistakes just wait for me to use the force to lift this xwing then you’ll be on your way. Ill be rooting for you from my rock with ultimate power, May the force be with you while i ghost around with the alien folk. Leia caring more about her own self preservation then stopping the first order before things got so bad

They turned both luke and leia into cowards refusing to risk thier own lives to save others. The same leia that was willing to die to keep the rebel location safe and the same luke who took on both the vader and emperor without fear no other jedi before him even tried to do that. Yoda be like ill take emperor, obi you go after vader, obi be like i cannot kill anakin yoda be like emperor will kick your ass. The same luke that would rather die then kill his father at the emperors commands because he knew it was wrong. That is no coward, that is one brave stoic mother****er. Tossing his lightsaber aside (he threw down his only protection) knowing damn well he would get the emperors full wrath and not knowing what his father would do when he got up. A true god damn hero

 

[The Buffinator]

Are you surprised khev hasnt posted, he was the one blindly arguing with people that the ST was planned out- connecting things that made no sense and stating ?facts? from various comments (mainly from disney shills) to prove it lol. If he posts anything in here now he will just get bombarded By you guys lol. Probabaly best for him to lay low for a bit.

What esle can he do besides come in and say he was completely wrong and that the st was an unplanned mess. As much as he proclaims to love the st he cannot do that now without looking crazy or he is still to attached to the st to come to terms with what he just learned

I don't recall Khev arguing that it was planned out, only that the decision to make her Palpatine's granddaughter worked for him, and that retroactively it (for him) explained her innate abilities and also tied up some plot threads. Given that (a) Rian went off and did his own thing in TLJ and seemingly made her a nobody from nowhere (along with ignoring other plot seeds like the Knights of Ren) and (b) Carrie Fisher up and died on him (when there WAS a plan for her to play a central role in the last film), IMO what JJ was able to pull off with TROS was close to miraculous. Was it rushed? Yes. Did Palpatine's reappearance smack of desperation? Absolutely. Did the KoR, Zorii Bliss and Jannah require more character development? Sure. If JJ had helmed all 3 films there likely would have been better connective tissue between TLJ and TROS, plus he probably wouldn't have killed off Luke (making Carrie's demise less problematic). But hindsight is 20/20.

I do kind of wish they'd gone with her being Obi-Wan's granddaughter, but without some set up in TLJ that would have likely felt even more rushed than what we got. Still, the idea of Obi-Wan's granddaughter saving Anakin's grandson from the dark side (after Obi-Wan couldn't save Anakin) would have been a neat way to tie up the saga - i.e., the circle would have been complete.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

I don't recall Khev arguing that it was planned out, only that the decision to make her Palpatine's granddaughter worked for him, and that retroactively it (for him) explained her innate abilities and also tied up some plot threads. Given that (a) Rian went off and did his own thing in TLJ and seemingly made her a nobody from nowhere (along with ignoring other plot seeds like the Knights of Ren) and (b) Carrie Fisher up and died on him (when there WAS a plan for her to play a central role in the last film), IMO what JJ was able to pull off with TROS was close to miraculous. Was it rushed? Yes. Did Palpatine's reappearance smack of desperation? Absolutely. Did the KoR, Zorii Bliss and Jannah require more character development? Sure. If JJ had helmed all 3 films there likely would have been better connective tissue between TLJ and TROS, plus he probably wouldn't have killed off Luke (making Carrie's demise less problematic). But hindsight is 20/20.

I do kind of wish they'd gone with her being Obi-Wan's granddaughter, but without some set up in TLJ that would have likely felt even more rushed than what we got. Still, the idea of Obi-Wan's granddaughter saving Anakin's grandson from the dark side (after Obi-Wan couldn't save Anakin) would have been a neat way to tie up the saga - i.e., the circle would have been complete.

I agree with alot of what you said right there just not the part that khev didnt argue that the st was planned out. I aint going to go back and requote everything but im sure the people he was arguing with will chime in lol

They had the perfect setup in tfa to make her lukes daughter, why else would his saber call to her? Why else would she see his visions. But rj ****ed it up with coward jake skywalker wanting the world to end while he hides away on that island- like a coward refusing to own up to his mistakes, giving up on the world and everything he stood for- waiting to die, while everyone else he cares about is slaughtered by the monster he created when he attempted to kill him in his sleep (which is very palpatine like btw) it couldnt possibly be lukes daughter anymore- not that crazy jaded Unrecognizable loser- why would he treat her that way if it was daughter- and who wants a dad like that atleast Granddaddy stood for something.

They way he looked at her at the end of tfa i believe thats the direction jj was heading, it was like he was seeing a ghost someone he loved but thought was dead. It wasnt the saber he was looking at it was her. What was the deal of her visions at the jedi temple when the knights of ren slaughtered lukes padawans? Another connection with luke they teased as if she was at the temple when it happened again hinting that she was close to luke- maybe this is why he believed she was dead- but kylo had taken her from him to hurt him deeply and left her on that desolate planet which is why he kylo so angry in tfa at the meer mention of “the girl” .... what girl!!!!!!! Then proceeded to choke The officers ass. All this points at a greater connection with luke but it was all wiped away in tlj and tros had no choice but to go in a different direction

Again the plan got ****ed by ruin which forced them into code red justice league style just to put something together and the movie feels that way lol

 

[The Buffinator]

I agree with alot of what you said right there just not the part that khev didnt argue that the st was planned out. I aint going to go back and requote everything but im sure the people he was arguing with will chime in lol

They had the perfect setup in tfa to make her lukes daughter, why else would his saber call to her? Why else would she see his visions. But rj ****ed it up with coward jake skywalker wanting the world to end while he hides away on that island- like a coward refusing to own up to his mistakes, giving up on the world and everything he stood for- waiting to die, while everyone else he cares about is slaughtered by the monster he created when he attempted to kill him in his sleep (which is very palpatine like btw) it couldnt possibly be lukes daughter anymore- not that crazy jaded Unrecognizable loser- why would he treat her that way if it was daughter- and who wants a dad like that atleast Granddaddy stood for something.

They way he looked at her at the end of tfa i believe thats the direction jj was heading, it was like he was seeing a ghost someone he loved but thought was dead. It wasnt the saber he was looking at it was her

That scenario would have completed the circle of the Skywalker saga too. First kissing siblings (Luke & Leia), then kissing cousins (Rey and Ben). Episode IX: The Return Of Incest.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

That scenario would have completed the circle of the Skywalker saga too. First kissing siblings (Luke & Leia), then kissing cousins (Rey and Ben). Episode IX: The Return Of Incest.

Lol yup but i doubt they would have been kissing had ruin not been involved, or they may have kissed like luke and leia did before knowing that they are blood related.

Making her a palps just makes absolutely no sense and proves that they were just throwing darts at a board after tlj. Why would palaptines granddaughter have lukes visions or why would his saber call to her when palps had no connection to it. Why not palps old saber? Or any random sith saber like mauls or even better vaders old saber? Why would she first hear Jedi voices, more specifically bens like luke did and not palps or some sith. Why would jedi even attempt to commune with her knowing she was a palpatine, esp at the beginning of tfa. Why would palpatine go after ben when he knew his grandaughter escaped with her fathers help, he killed her parents but not her- he knew she was out there why not just corrupt her mind instead of bens- she was his end game to begin with and a much easier target since she was raised with no parents, love, and or compassion- abandoned on that planet with only that ugly ****ing dude that rips her off looking after her lol- no wonder she was so angry all the time in the st.

The reason he didnt go after her in tfa is cause he didnt exist then and she was never meant to be his granddaughter. Kylo hid her out of compassion cause he could bring himself to kill the girl at that time- again it all links together in tfa. Why else would kylo be so angry hearing About some random girl on jakku. Cause with the force awakening and all this **** and her being lukes daughter that he stashed there he realized what the **** was going on. The force had awoken in his cousin who he couldnt bring himself to kill back in the day and he probably regrets it thus all the anger, he did the same with finn he had a chance to kill him when he sensed something was off with the stormtrooper but allowed him to live

All of it points to her being lukes daughter in tfa not a god damn thing points to her being a palps, even in last jedi it was obvious luke didnt know she was a palps all he knew is that he was scared of her power. But both him and leia magically know in tros, when did luke find this out cause in tlj he sure the hell didnt know this- then he died on a rock- maybe his ghost left the island just to chat with leia then went back to hide while rey did the rest.

We didnt even need daisy to confirm this thing was t planned out its freakin obvious just by watching the movies

 

[The Buffinator]

Lol yup but i doubt they would have been kissing had ruin not been involved, or they may have kissed like luke and leia did before knowing that they are blood related.

Making her a palps just makes absolutely no sense and proves that they were just throwing darts at a board after tlj. Why would palaptines granddaughter have lukes visions or why would his saber call to her when palps had no connection to it. Why not palps old saber? Or any random sith saber like mauls or even better vaders old saber? Why would she first hear Jedi voices, more specifically bens like luke did and not palps or some sith. Why would jedi even attempt to commune with her knowing she was a palpatine, esp at the beginning of tfa. Why would palpatine go after ben when he knew his grandaughter escaped with her fathers help, he killed her parents but not her- he knew she was out there why not just corrupt her mind instead of bens- she was his end game to begin with.

All of it points to her being lukes daughter in tfa not a god damn thing points to her being a palps, even in last jedi it was obvious luke didnt know she was a palps all he knew is that he was scared of her power. But both him and leia magically know in tros, when did luke find this out cause in tlj he sure the hell didnt know this- then he died on a rock- maybe his ghost left the island just to chat with leia then went back to hide while rey did the rest.


We didnt even need daisy to confirm this thing was t planned out its freakin obvious just by watching the movies

The one thing I'll say about the saber is that it's the blue one (not the green-bladed one that Luke wields in ROTJ), so technically it first belonged to Anakin (i.e., Vader). So maybe she was actually seeing that vision from his perspective, not Luke's - i.e., it was a Sith connection? That could also explain her fear of it. I'm not implying they actually planned it that way in TFA (or even realized it when writing/filming TROS), but retroactively it works. I grant you it's pretty thin, but if you want to see the connection it's there.

 

[JAWS]

Wait was the board legit lol i thought it was a meme or joke board.

I thought the same thing!!!!

 

[JAWS]

Merch sales = long standing interest in the franchise

Merch sales = some sort of attachment to the material

Merch sales = liking the film


All you ST defenders do is dismiss merch sales time and time again. I truly don't know if I have some 40+ year old guys on a toy forum actually trolling or legitimately can't wrap their heads around the above fact or can't accept the fact out of so deep spite for the PT.

Ducky.. I am not dismissing the merch sales... I am not denying that people like or Love the PT.. Kids have who loved it have grown up still loving it and have a connection... Great.. What I am saying is that none of that makes the PT better made films.

Not sure where the disconnect is.

TOY SALES MATTER.

The day Toy sales start writing and directing movies... Then I will say they matter in terms of the quality of the film.

Geezus. You have to be kidding me.

Palaptine was ridiculously over the top in TROS. Far more than in any other movie.

I like Palps better in TPM then in TROS also.. having said that... No ROTS is the pinnacle of over the top Emperor.. I mean you got the Mace battle (Beats all right there), the cackling laughter and over the top faces of the yoda battle.. I am guessing that borderline goofy performance is lost on you since you grew up with the films. But sorry dude.. He is way more over the top in ROTS.

 

[JAWS]

Im as surprised as you that jaws loves tros, but he says it fixes things for him that he didnt like in tfa or tlj. The only thing i can think Of is since he is a huge han fan He liked how it redeemed his character. That he was the one to finally turn ben back (even though it was leia) it was han that kylo had to talk with to fix his past mistake and to find peace with his father. He probabaly didnt like tfa cause it made han look like a poor husband and terrible father but again he leaned in tros that han wasnt a bad father it was all palpatine putting those thoughts in his head. He can correct me if im wrong, i am not trying to speak for him but i usually agree with him on most all movies but tros is wierd one for us or for me to undertand why he likes it. If its a han thing i somewhat understand. He also knows then why i hate tlj so much as a major luke fan because it destroyed his character far worse then anything tfa did to han

I just did not like TFA overall.. I thought the soft reboot of one of the most popular movies of all time was stupid. The whole "we need to reintroduce the fans to the world of SW" was a dumb idea IMO.

I also believe it was the combo of Leia / Rey / Han that turned Ben back and not the actual Han but the true memory of the love from a father. Watching TFA again I watch the death of Han now and it means so much more. Also Ben / Kylo is a character I know because there a are three films about him.. the first time watching it was just some stranger killing Han... It lacked emotional weight. It has that now.

I have no problem with Han leaving because as I said before you had to break up the core group and that was a perfect way to do it.

So it redeemed the death of Han and gave it more weight... You got to see how Han really was to Ben.. IDK It just worked for me and helped me to enjoy that part o the film better.

Also like so many I hated Rey as the Mary Sue.. But being a Palps helped me come to terms with her being overpowered... That and beating Kylo makes more sense after you understand that he was not only shot by Chewie, didnt want to kill Rey, she is a Palps, but that being torn up by what he had just done to his father makes the character of Kylo a bit more sympathetic and the scene itself more believable (that rey wins)

I always like the first hour though.

The only characters that were redeemed In tros was ben and han (han because we were informed it was all palps in bens mind telling him his parent hated him) he was not a bad father he loved his son deeply he was just a bad husband to leia taking off like that. Tros did not fix leia or luke they made tljs problems worse by going so far in the other direction. Force ghost luke no rey i was wrong i was a coward to hide here, yes i have ultimate force ghost powerS but im still scared, you go off now and fix my mistakes just wait for me to use the force to lift this xwing then you?ll be on your way. Ill be rooting for you from my rock with ultimate power, May the force be with you while i ghost around with the alien folk. Leia caring more about her own self preservation then stopping the first order before things got so bad

We just have different views on Luke... I don't see him the way you do and don't mind the direction they took him. You see a coward and I just don't For me he did not need a lot of redemption. Plus I just love the performance. I am not saying I would not have been happy with getting the sort of Luke Skywalker you wanted.. I just didn't hate what they did.

I also dont see Han as a bad Husband.. As stated the loss of a child splits a lot of families up.

But still other then Rey and Kylo... There is no redeeming the rest of that ****ing movie

They turned both luke and leia into cowards refusing to risk thier own lives to save others. The same leia that was willing to die to keep the rebel location safe and the same luke who took on both the vader and emperor without fear no other jedi before him even tried to do that. Yoda be like ill take emperor, obi you go after vader, obi be like i cannot kill anakin yoda be like emperor will kick your ass. The same luke that would rather die then kill his father at the emperors commands because he knew it was wrong. That is no coward, that is one brave stoic mother****er. Tossing his lightsaber aside (he threw down his only protection) knowing damn well he would get the emperors full wrath and not knowing what his father would do when he got up. A true god damn hero

Again we just see it differently.. I see Luke as a flawed hero in the ST who was dealing with massive amounts of guilt and regret.. A hero that thought the galaxy was better off without him.. Not someone who was afraid to die but someone who was afraid to face his loved ones because he did something that was unforgivable.. He saw the issues of the Jedi (Which Lucas painted out very well in the PT) and felt they were more of a problem then a solution..


Having said that.. Yeah.. I don't see how sending Kylo off to Snoke with no Jedi out there is a good idea That would be my biggest issue.. But that is why I focus on the guilt.


Also I go back to his dying was a sacrifice and not a "I give up" like Disney says. Boy they are dumb over there.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Making her a palps just makes absolutely no sense and proves that they were just throwing darts at a board after tlj.

In the wider shot of that board, further down on Star Wars Wishes, there's an entry: Sensualize Palpatine

Guess that dart hit the spot.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

I don't recall Khev arguing that it was planned out, only that the decision to make her Palpatine's granddaughter worked for him, and that retroactively it (for him) explained her innate abilities and also tied up some plot threads. Given that (a) Rian went off and did his own thing in TLJ and seemingly made her a nobody from nowhere (along with ignoring other plot seeds like the Knights of Ren) and (b) Carrie Fisher up and died on him (when there WAS a plan for her to play a central role in the last film), IMO what JJ was able to pull off with TROS was close to miraculous. Was it rushed? Yes. Did Palpatine's reappearance smack of desperation? Absolutely. Did the KoR, Zorii Bliss and Jannah require more character development? Sure. If JJ had helmed all 3 films there likely would have been better connective tissue between TLJ and TROS, plus he probably wouldn't have killed off Luke (making Carrie's demise less problematic). But hindsight is 20/20.

I do kind of wish they'd gone with her being Obi-Wan's granddaughter, but without some set up in TLJ that would have likely felt even more rushed than what we got. Still, the idea of Obi-Wan's granddaughter saving Anakin's grandson from the dark side (after Obi-Wan couldn't save Anakin) would have been a neat way to tie up the saga - i.e., the circle would have been complete.

Khev definitely argued there was a plan at one point, JYE probably joined him i can't remember for sure. And no way am I going to try to find where it is in this mess of a thread.

 

[Prime Clone]

Wait was the board legit lol i thought it was a meme or joke board. No wonder it was a mess they, needed gl in that room to fix all those lists then hire a director to reign georges ideas in.

It's real, but for the publishing not the movies.

 

[e30ernest]

I thought the same thing!!!!

LOL wait... where was this? What is this?!? It wasn't a joke?!? I've been away a few days and there are like a hundred pages to backread hahahahaha

 

[TheDucky]

Ducky.. I am not dismissing the merch sales... I am not denying that people like or Love the PT.. Kids have who loved it have grown up still loving it and have a connection... Great.. What I am saying is that none of that makes the PT better made films.

Not sure where the disconnect is.

It makes the PT far far far more lasting, beloved, and important than the ST ever will be.

I like Palps better in TPM then in TROS also.. having said that... No ROTS is the pinnacle of over the top Emperor.. I mean you got the Mace battle (Beats all right there), the cackling laughter and over the top faces of the yoda battle.. I am guessing that borderline goofy performance is lost on you since you grew up with the films. But sorry dude.. He is way more over the top in ROTS.

So, Palpatine being able to broadcast his voice to an entire galaxy, because reasons, somehow isn't over the top... but cackling like an evil maniac is somehow the thing that is over the top....

 

[Prime Clone]

 

[ironwez20]

I don't recall Khev arguing that it was planned out, only that the decision to make her Palpatine's granddaughter worked for him, and that retroactively it (for him) explained her innate abilities and also tied up some plot threads. Given that (a) Rian went off and did his own thing in TLJ and seemingly made her a nobody from nowhere (along with ignoring other plot seeds like the Knights of Ren) and (b) Carrie Fisher up and died on him (when there WAS a plan for her to play a central role in the last film), IMO what JJ was able to pull off with TROS was close to miraculous. Was it rushed? Yes. Did Palpatine's reappearance smack of desperation? Absolutely. Did the KoR, Zorii Bliss and Jannah require more character development? Sure. If JJ had helmed all 3 films there likely would have been better connective tissue between TLJ and TROS, plus he probably wouldn't have killed off Luke (making Carrie's demise less problematic). But hindsight is 20/20.

I do kind of wish they'd gone with her being Obi-Wan's granddaughter, but without some set up in TLJ that would have likely felt even more rushed than what we got. Still, the idea of Obi-Wan's granddaughter saving Anakin's grandson from the dark side (after Obi-Wan couldn't save Anakin) would have been a neat way to tie up the saga - i.e., the circle would have been complete.

He was the MAIN one who said it was planned out. It was ridiculous. Like it was borderline insanity to think it was planned out and jye would join in also

 

[ironwez20]

Ducky.. I am not dismissing the merch sales... I am not denying that people like or Love the PT.. Kids have who loved it have grown up still loving it and have a connection... Great.. What I am saying is that none of that makes the PT better made films.

Not sure where the disconnect is.



The day Toy sales start writing and directing movies... Then I will say they matter in terms of the quality of the film.





I like Palps better in TPM then in TROS also.. having said that... No ROTS is the pinnacle of over the top Emperor.. I mean you got the Mace battle (Beats all right there), the cackling laughter and over the top faces of the yoda battle.. I am guessing that borderline goofy performance is lost on you since you grew up with the films. But sorry dude.. He is way more over the top in ROTS.

Well jaws they made these films to sell toys so you could say the toys write and directed these films cause that was the long term goal but it failed. The goal was to reach you older guys but it failed hard. They wanted desperately sell toys

 

[ironwez20]

Khev definitely argued there was a plan at one point, JYE probably joined him i can't remember for sure. And no way am I going to try to find where it is in this mess of a thread.

Lol poor khev and jye. Tried desperately trying to convince themselves the franchise had a plan but it was so obvious it didn?t . Like it was sooooo obvious. Now khev is in his basement polishing his doomcock mask figuring out what to say