Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

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I was known as the Star Wars addict by my family for a few generations, my nieces and nephews all love to talk SW when we get together.

But I feel similar, I do not have the time to invest in it any more. I still can talk a good game, and keep up during vacations.....but that?s it. Too much reality in the way to spend any more time with it.
Exactly. I just can't be drawn into it anymore. The ideological conflict makes little sense and the entire franchise revolves around it. Mostly because without the Jedi/Sith battle you don't have anything all that unique. Beyond that you have some nice stories and the such, but there's nothing in the entire universe that still has my attention. It doesn't hit any of my buttons and it's largely empty of what I enjoy. But I've invested too much time to simply cut the cord, so I'm retaining a relationship of mentainance, so to speak.

It?s actually liberating and yet sad at the same time.
That too. I've always hated this feeling of having to consume all the media, across the various mediums, just to sate my inner completionist. It's not helping anyone, as we're talking about empty entertainment with nothing to offer. It's just wasted time. The only thing I have left that torments me so is Clone Wars. I'll finish it one day, speeding through it all, but I'm more or less done with everything else that affected me like that. Whatever else I keep I feel no rush to be done with. I have some SW books from the EU I want to try, but as time goes on it seems more and more pointless. Trek is fun. It can be hamfisted and cheesy at times, but I find it relaxing. It's got tons of episodes and it's my backup alongside some anime. I go back to an unfinished game once every month or so. I have two series I follow when they air, three or so comic series, and that's more or less it apart from the odd movie I come across. But really, I'm tired of it all. I've switched to reading for relaxation. Sometimes it's a classic, others it's research, sometimes it's schlock like a 40K book. But I can manage them better with my daily program. I can speed up, stop somewhere, go back, and so on.

On the other hand, I do miss having somerhing that I could consume easily and escape for a bit. There's nothing like that in my life anymore. I do get bouts of interest in one thing or the other, but nothing that lasts. Like I said, from all these huge IPs, I retain an affinity for the concepts, less so the execution. I get nostalgia for the products of my youth, but I can't say that I'm obsessing over the MCU, or check IGN every two hours for new games. I remember when I'd stay up to watch E3, and now I blink and the titles that have been delayed four times are already in stores.

When it comes to Star Wars, I think it's become simply too big. Even comics retcon and reboot, and every medium and adaptation has its own continuity. SW is too huge, and at the same time too restrained as a narrative. I can't find anything that binds me to it beyond nostalgia and some aspects. Honestly, I like stories with a definitive ending. The days when I wished for endless content of a single property are long behind me.
 
I realized over the past few years that Star Wars is not really being made for me anymore, which is ok.
I don?t get mad at it, I just accept that the Star Wars that I grew up with has evolved into something else.
Somewhere along its Disney journey a business decision was made that its success was going to be based upon targeting people who enjoy things like Twilight or Divergent, gothic love affairs between angry young men and naive, but gifted young women.
I don?t imagine that the 13 year old girls who make up the majority of the current Star Wars fan base is as enthused by Alan Moore comic books, or Paul Verhoeven films, or Philip K **** books as I am.
I got to enjoy the Star Wars of the 20th century, guess they get the Star Wars of the 21sr century.
Some fans get enraged at KK and Disney, but it?s not worth it, they have a business to run, it?s not their responsibility to cater to me.
Not knocking anyone who is into that stuff, but it?s not my thing so I simply move on to something else.
More power to the new fan base, they are welcome to it.
 
I realized over the past few years that Star Wars is not really being made for me anymore, which is ok.
I don?t get mad at it, I just accept that the Star Wars that I grew up with has evolved into something else.
Somewhere along its Disney journey a business decision was made that its success was going to be based upon targeting people who enjoy things like Twilight or Divergent, gothic love affairs between angry young men and naive, but gifted young women.
I don?t imagine that the 13 year old girls who make up the majority of the current Star Wars fan base is as enthused by Alan Moore comic books, or Paul Verhoeven films, or Philip K **** books as I am.
I got to enjoy the Star Wars of the 20th century, guess they get the Star Wars of the 21sr century.
Some fans get enraged at KK and Disney, but it?s not worth it, they have a business to run, it?s not their responsibility to cater to me.
Not knocking anyone who is into that stuff, but it?s not my thing so I simply move on to something else.
More power to the new fan base, they are welcome to it.

Yeah the whole?ruined Muh childhood thing? always was such a whiney thing.....after all, we are adults now and know that these pop culture things are not really what life is made of......especially considering the last year.

The drive for a studio is always to make as much money as possible. Disney has the metrics to show that they are right to add female characters and storylines to traditionally male dominated stories. My daughter is way more involved with Marvel and SW than my son, who is mainly into cars.

They are boarding the fan bases in both universes to their benefits. The Mandalorian, which is universally praised on this board, has found the sweet spot for mixing the audiences. It took some time to find the correct balance , but they did.

Most media today is shallow and obviously casting the biggest net they can over the audiences. This is nothing new.....it?s been going on since film started.....the audiences have changed dramatically however, and a more diverse audience means a more diverse , and therefore watered down story. When you have to touch so many strings , the symphony will likely become bloated and unfocused.

I am not looking for a franchise to latch my identity to anymore. I am perfectly happy with watered down , mindless entertainment, as long as it IS entertaining.


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They have a business to run and they are failing miserably at it. Make no mistake, they bought Star Wars for the merchandise opportunity. The ST has done irreparable damage to the franchise. No new movies planned whatsoever. Which means a loss of hundreds of millions in ticket sales and merchandise.

Disney didn?t stop making movies for some creative direction reason, they stopped making movies because they know the next one will bomb on all fronts from ticket sales to merchandise, like Solo.

The Star Wars they tried to sell us failed. It?s why shows like The Mandolorian, Clone Wars, Bad Batch, Kenobi are being made now. Back to classic Star Wars with no connection to the abomination of the ST. It?s why there is talk of retcon. Their only hope to save the franchise.
 
GUYS ITS FINE, Palpatine already had the Death Star Destroyer fleet during the events of the OT, he just decided to wait 30 years to use them

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It?s why there is talk of retcon.

What talk, exactly? The PT is widely loathed but there's no talk of retconning that.

I *am* curious, however, why Disney was in such a rush to get the ST out. They coulda given J.J. a year or two off before TFA, then he could have overseen the trilogy as a unified whole.


GUYS ITS FINE, Palpatine already had the Death Star Destroyer fleet during the events of the OT, he just decided to wait 30 years to use them

Yes, that explanation has helped the Final Order make more sense to me. Too bad it (like a great... many... things) couldn't be adequately explained on-screen.
 
What talk, exactly? The PT is widely loathed but there's no talk of retconning that.

I *am* curious, however, why Disney was in such a rush to get the ST out. They coulda given J.J. a year or two off before TFA, then he could have overseen the trilogy as a unified whole.




Yes, that explanation has helped the Final Order make more sense to me. Too bad it (like a great... many... things) couldn't be adequately explained on-screen.

There is no talk of retconning that because it was made by Lucas, ushered in the golden age of Star Wars books, comics, games, toys, figures, which made a **** ton of cash which increased the value of the brand dramatically. The ST has done none of that, it only hurt the brand.

That explanation makes no sense for the OT though. It is beyond dumb. Palaptine had all that and never used it?
 
It?s already been said in that comic that the Star Destroyers were not functional as mini Death Stars yet, and that the clones being used were not yet able to be used with the force.

I mean, the writers are not that stupid to ignore the plot of the last 3 films.....


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Wow so Palaptine had hundreds of regular star destroyers then... and still didn’t use them! So much better!

Garbage ****ing storytelling. Hundreds of ships and he doesn’t protect the death star with.
 
Wow so Palaptine had hundreds of regular star destroyers then... and still didn?t use them! So much better!

Garbage ****ing storytelling. Hundreds of ships and he doesn?t protect the death star with.

Except this happens all the time in reality


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What talk, exactly? The PT is widely loathed but there's no talk of retconning that.

I *am* curious, however, why Disney was in such a rush to get the ST out. They coulda given J.J. a year or two off before TFA, then he could have overseen the trilogy as a unified whole.




Yes, that explanation has helped the Final Order make more sense to me. Too bad it (like a great... many... things) couldn't be adequately explained on-screen.

Gonna have to disagree with you there on the PT bring widely loathed. All figures from PT sell out, most shows revolve around the PT and it?s still being talked about and the mustafar fight is on top 5 fights in star wars next to the darth maul fight. The PT sells and made the franchise billions going on to this day

Not to mention memes.

Ot purist just hated it when it came out cause it was very different and didn?t live up to expectations. Also the bad lines and cg didn?t help
 
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Except this happens all the time in reality


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Still if you have to explain it via comic and not the main story it?s lazy. Not everyone reads comics and yea some stuff could be explained in comics but I feel like 99% of the ST plot holes are explained in comics cause the writers had no idea how to write a coherent story .
 
Still if you have to explain it via comic and not the main story it?s lazy. Not everyone reads comics and yea some stuff could be explained in comics but I feel like 99% of the ST plot holes are explained in comics cause the writers had no idea how to write a coherent story .

This I agree with. They wasted most of TLJ with zero explanations .........then had to show horn in all the ones they could during ROS.

Seems probable most of the directors and writing staff didn?t want to make any real story decisions ......they all knew well that whatever they chose to do would likely have a huge blowback.

And they were correct.


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Gonna have to disagree with you there on the PT bring widely loathed. All figures from PT sell out, most shows revolve around the PT and it?s still being talked about and the mustafar fight is on top 5 fights in star wars next to the darth maul fight. The PT sells and made the franchise billions going on to this day

Not to mention memes.

Ot purist just hated it when it came out cause it was very different and didn?t live up to expectations. Also the bad lines and cg didn?t help

Jar Jar Binks is widely loathed, the PT is universally loved.
Saw a thread that was trending on Twitter over the weekend where people were weighing in with the best Star Wars movie. Almost all of the replies said Revenge of the Sith.
Not my personal choice for the BEST, but it usually finds its way close to the top on lists.
ST trilogy fans seem to mostly be fans of the actor Adam Driver, not sure if that will age well...
 
Jar Jar Binks is widely loathed, the PT is universally loved.
Saw a thread that was trending on Twitter over the weekend where people were weighing in with the best Star Wars movie. Almost all of the replies said Revenge of the Sith.
Not my personal choice for the BEST, but it usually finds its way close to the top on lists.
ST trilogy fans seem to mostly be fans of the actor Adam Driver, not sure if that will age well...

Ah.....the PT is not universally loved. It has its fans, but certainly not universal.

I think the PT and ST have about the same amount of people whom like them. The PT has stronger more serious fans overall, but in my little world everyone hates the PT. Some of them accept ROTS, but that?s it.

Pretty sure most of the board here does not have a positive view of the PT or ST.

I doubt even though OT is universally loved anymore either. The younger fans seem to discard those as too old now.


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The PT has been becoming more loved as time goes on - not by the people who hated it from the early days - but by a combination of the people who were very young when they came out and are adults now, reveling in nostalgia just like the OT generations - and by new kids watching them at any given time, their minds without preconceptions about what to expect.

The same could well prove to be the case with the sequel trilogy. Anyone who refuses to accept this as a possibility is as naive as I was when I assumed the PT would always be laughed at.
 
Ah.....the PT is not universally loved. It has its fans, but certainly not universal.

I think the PT and ST have about the same amount of people whom like them. The PT has stronger more serious fans overall, but in my little world everyone hates the PT. Some of them accept ROTS, but that?s it.

Pretty sure most of the board here does not have a positive view of the PT or ST.

I doubt even though OT is universally loved anymore either. The younger fans seem to discard those as too old now.


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Yep, you?re right but I think A-Dev made the point, more artfully, that I was trying to make.
When I saw the PT in theaters when I was in college, everyone seemed to hate them, now the general consensus out there feels a lot more favorable and forgiving with a newer generation of fans.
People my age seem to automatically classify the PT as bad, but the next generation does not seem to feel that way at all.
I?m still trying to figure out who actually likes the ST. I will admit I loved TFA and even TLJ when they were released. I used to go down swinging defending TLJ in that thread back in 2017-2018.
I eventually came to feel that the whole things was just a mess and that was cemented when I saw TROS.
I have 3 sons, oldest is going to be 11 this year. They loved the OT and PT, could never connect with the ST and then got bored with the whole thing.
We have a lot of friends of the family with young girls who love the ST because of the relationship between Rey and Kylo Ren, that?s it.
I think some cineastes like TLJ because Rian Johnson is actually a good filmmaker and they like his film school approach to Star Wars.
That?s all I can think of.
 
The PT has been becoming more loved as time goes on - not by the people who hated it from the early days - but by a combination of the people who were very young when they came out and are adults now, reveling in nostalgia just like the OT generations - and by new kids watching them at any given time, their minds without preconceptions about what to expect.

The same could well prove to be the case with the sequel trilogy. Anyone who refuses to accept this as a possibility is as naive as I was when I assumed the PT would always be laughed at.

The PT still always had a large amount fans and apologists and I say that as someone who really has to pick and choose what parts I can enjoy. The Clone Wars brought in new kids and reinforced existing staunch supporters of the PT. Also the PT wasn't malicious towards the OT, so it's sins are much easier to forgive.

On the contrary the ST has very few people left who give a damn. Just a few Twilight loving Reylos and shippers left. Their Twitter "fans" have mostly moved on to the next franchise to hijack and the next person to cancel. There won't be any such revival here.
 
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