Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

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Those people have been Order 66'd by Howard.

Big time! At least there should be no more delusional posts like "maybe we will get Poe, or Dark Rey, or Ben Solo, etc. I wonder what that HT/Disney "insider" that made all sorts of ridiculous claims about incoming HT ST characters like Rose Tico has to say now. Jack Bauer I think was his handle.
 
We definitely have room for some common ground on this section of your post.

And hanging out in such a nondescript outfit as his Jedi robes, no less. :lol


I get that Luke is something different to different fans, but I assure you that my perception of him has been concurrent with 40 years of religiously following Star Wars. I'm not in any way contorting things to fit what I would otherwise perceive as unjust characterization in the ST. If you can understand that, perhaps you can allow that filmmakers might've had a different take on Luke than you without it meaning that they didn't love the movies, or didn't understand the character. Either way, I suspect we're just killing time here and not moving the needle in either direction. :)

I think, once again, that Star Wars is a convoluted mess across all of its properties. It?s so convoluted that if I hadn?t grown up loving it before I knew any better, I wouldn?t be able to because it truly tests my ability to suspend my disbelief from an internal logic standpoint.
Your point about the Jedi Robes is another fine example. He?s dressed like Uncle Owen. Those were obviously supposed to be Tatooine desert robes and then for some idiotic reason Lucas decided to have all of the Jedi dress like that when he made the PT. It?s a total unforced error, of which there are too many to list.
Don?t get me started on his reunion with Artoo, the droid that he had somehow forgotten in less than 19 years, who had been on more adventures with him than any other character in the galaxy. He wasn?t just playing coy, there would have been no reason to do that.
It?s a train wreck.
The ST, however had the benefit of all of those mistakes and should have learned from them, but didn?t, which makes it even more unforgivable.
As for Luke, I used to be in these threads defending the films and their characterization of Luke. It?s not the worst thing in the ST, I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt in the hope that the interpretation served some greater storytelling purpose.
Once TROS was released, and I realized that the movies were literally building a monument to nothing, just haphazardly throwing plot and characterization twists at the wall to see what stuck, it became harder to buy into the characterization of Luke.
 
He?s dressed like Uncle Owen. Those were obviously supposed to be Tatooine desert robes and then for some idiotic reason Lucas decided to have all of the Jedi dress like that when he made the PT.

You're right that originally Obi-Wan's robes were just simple Tatooine attire but George gave them to other Jedi before the PT. Yoda and Anakin's ghost had them too.
 
I would say less so more recently, especially after some other high level toy executive said about the same thing as Howard awhile back.

But yeah there were definitely heated discussions and arguments after TLJ about sales with the ST people often falling back on the "we don't know HT numbers" argument.

Really? It?s obvious they didn?t sell. The toys were on clearance for years. Every other hot toys figure sells out. Bbts was practically begging people to buy the figures. They even offered like 100 store credit if u bought the finn two pack. That?s hilarious
 
Big time! At least there should be no more delusional posts like "maybe we will get Poe, or Dark Rey, or Ben Solo, etc. I wonder what that HT/Disney "insider" that made all sorts of ridiculous claims about incoming HT ST characters like Rose Tico has to say now. Jack Bauer I think was his handle.

Rose tico? Dark rey? You have a better chance of jar jar being made. Lol I wish I saw these ST toy sales people
 
As a slight tangent but still following on from the discussion. Before the PT, when you first saw the OT did you ever wonder why Old Ben was just there on Tatooine and Yoda on Dagobah. Did you view them as sitting out the fight, hiding and reactively waiting for the Skywalker children or did you imagine something else? I saw the OT and PT so close together that I can?t really remember a time when it was just OT but I am curious to hear the thoughts of those who were there at the beginning and had years to meditate on this?

Well, we assumed Obi-wan was too old to be an active combatant. He even says as much in ANH. That went out the window when George had Count Dooku taking on young jedi and doing somersault flips through the air.

Yoda was also assumed to be too old - and also not an actual fighter - until George decided he would be in AOTC, and well capable of kicking ass even when he was relatively close to his OT age when his entire lifespan is considered.
 
Luke mad at himself because he wanted to kill his nephew for a moment and then watched him go bad and wipe out his temple.
Not the same thing, not even close.

My takeaway was that Luke felt he needed to take himself out of the equation for the good of the galaxy, hence why he also cut himself off from The Force. It was a selfless act rather than a cowardly one.



He?s dressed like Uncle Owen. Those were obviously supposed to be Tatooine desert robes and then for some idiotic reason Lucas decided to have all of the Jedi dress like that when he made the PT.

Funnily enough, the design of Jedi costumes was one of the few areas of the PT where Lucas took the views of others on-board. They were also weighing up Willow-like outfits, but ended up sticking with the OT design (though Anakin had an amalgam).


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Well said on all accounts. No sense in debating such points against deaf ears though, and that's the absolute nicest way I can put it, lol. ;)

Khev, I can understand your hatred you have for me. After all, I destroyed all your arguments with facts and logic and continue to do so as more and more information is released backing up my side. But deaf ears? From the guy who STILL thinks the ST had a plan? After JJ said it didn?t. Hell I was so right I have jal, where we usually disagree with each other and have some fun back and forths, agree with me too! You are so wrong you unite ?rivals? :lol:lol

Regardless, I?ll be destroying these arguments shortly. Damn it feels good to be back in the ST combat arena!


All the previous lengthy arguments about Sequel Trilogy toys can be put to rest officially as Howard Chan confirmed publicly that "the sales were awful". :yess:

As I have predicted. Good to see yet another toy executive crap all over the ST.

HAVE YOU FELT IT? THERE HAS BEEN AN AWAKENING. THE RETCON IS COMING
Lol really? Where did he say that?

Edit nvm. And he also said rots darkside anskin is his greatest achievement.

Lmao that adds more fuel to ducky?s arguments that the PT just outsells the ST in every way and there is more demand
:hi5::clap:yess:

Don't let Malgus hear you say that.

You probably won't hear much from him for awhile.

Who is Malgus?
 
My takeaway was that Luke felt he needed to take himself out of the equation for the good of the galaxy, hence why he also cut himself off from The Force. It was a selfless act rather than a cowardly one.

Which was dumb to even put Luke in that position in the first place. These writers like to think what is most dramatic compared to what people really want to see. Can you call the writer who wrote the script selfish for writing that? Selfish for the producer to approve it? I do.
 
It was a repeat beat, the kind of beat JJ excels at. It is the simplistic way of building a new story with similar (recognizable) elements.

Obi-Wan was in hiding in ANH, Yoda was in hiding in ESB, therefore Luke should be in hiding in TFA.
 
It was a repeat beat, the kind of beat JJ excels at. It is the simplistic way of building a new story with similar (recognizable) elements.

Obi-Wan was in hiding in ANH, Yoda was in hiding in ESB, therefore Luke should be in hiding in TFA.

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JJ sure likes to beat off a lot.
 
It was a repeat beat, the kind of beat JJ excels at. It is the simplistic way of building a new story with similar (recognizable) elements.

Obi-Wan was in hiding in ANH, Yoda was in hiding in ESB, therefore Luke should be in hiding in TFA.

Wasn't it in George's original treatment anyway? Luke was Kurtz to Rey's Marlow.



JJ sure likes to beat off a lot.

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Has Abrams ever delivered a satisfying end to any story he ever started producing? Ever? How this guy and his company continue getting enormous paydays is beyond me. I see he is lined up to ruin Amazon's Lord of the Rings now. Not that it was ever likely to be any good anyway.
 
Has Abrams ever delivered a satisfying end to any story he ever started producing? Ever? How this guy and his company continue getting enormous paydays is beyond me. I see he is lined up to ruin Amazon's Lord of the Rings now. Not that it was ever likely to be any good anyway.

His first Star Trek was pretty good. He looks like a Trekkie fan too, which clearly ruined his vision of SW. Hollywood is a good place to fail upwards, or at least knowing how to blackmail people I suppose.

I didn't know he was involved in the Amazon LOTR, just the WarnerMedia DC stuff.
 
When he did Trek he mentioned he was more of a Wars fan. I didn't have a problem with either, but maybe there was some cross-contamination there.

Well I would be happy to have a conversation with him that he doesn't know s*** about Star Wars and just repackaged ANH. He had some original ideas with ST1, but totally repackaged ST2. He likes to play the "shock" factor like Moon Night Shamalama, like that is some smarter-than-thou thing to do.
 
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