Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[JAWS]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Going back to this though it's you guys who keep this thread going because I want to talk about RPO dammit, lol.

I was thinking the same thing about you and Jye

I came here one day and there you two were.. Defending the film Maybe I posted something first.. I don't know.. F TLJ

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I am going to attempt to watch this film again with my friend. He has only seen it once and was not a fan.. I am going to attempt

Its weird. Here in upstate NY none of my best friends cared for it. Wonder if something is in the Kool aid where Jy and Khev live

Seriously though. It's weird to read the love that you two have for this film. I have yet to meet anyone other then my sister in law (she's an idiot), who loves this film.

My best friend since 1st grade.. I don't even like to bring up the movie.. He gets red faced bitching about it

My other friend who love TFA, now does not like TFA because he disliked TLJ so much.

And then there is my friend I am going to watch it with.. He did not care for it at all and was the one who helped ruined what little enjoyment I got out of right after the film ended as we discussed it.

All of us. Huge Star Wars fans who had different opinions on TFA ended up really having no love for TLJ

Of course I am not saying this is proof the movie sucks (but it is ) Its just a strange to see the Khev/Jye love fest for it and not know anybody that I can discuss this with in person that feels the same way.

Even you JAWS, *you* are utterly terrified of putting yourself in Junkion's crosshairs?

And lol about your sister-in-law comment.

 

[JAWS]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I am fanboy drone who praises anything SW ST related regardless of quality. .

Fixed

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

FICKST.

You illiterate teenager.

 

[Rorywan]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I see that you updated your post after I made my reply. You've got some people on your "side" (TLJ haters) that really are quite, well, juvenile, irrational, incapable of comprehending what's on screen or what people type on these forums, etc., and sometimes I think I come across as painting you all with the same brush. I don't though. Though as I said before you did seem to appreciate the wide brush notion that I'm a fanboy drone who praises anything SW related regardless of quality. So maybe I misread the vibe of the discussion and made a joke that was too easily interpreted as a personal attack. It definitely wasn't my intention.

Cool. Thing is though, I'm not on a side. I just thought personally that TLJ was a mess of a movie. The first SW movie that I actively really dislike (yes including the prequels). It has some great scenes mired in a cheesy load of fanboy nonsense.
And it ruined what I liked and was excited about from TFA. These are my opinions not anyone elses.
And believe me I tried to like it - I like ALL SW up to this point - I can laugh 'at' some stuff, I can groan at some of the prequels, even the SW Holiday special.
I saw it 4 times in the theatre, raved about the trailers, bought the 3D blu-ray, the 4K blu-ray I even have the soundtrack on vinyl. I like to like Star Wars - I'm a fanboy but one who knows these are just movies to enjoy (or not).
But I think it's a terrible terrible movie. Very badly made and very 'not star wars' but some kind of cheesy stupid Disney concoction.
It's horrible.
And it is incredibly sexist - if you want to bring more women into the franchise for gods sake do it (a) without feeling the need to knock the male characters and (B) Write interesting characterful women - not cardboard cut-outs.

Jar Jar Binks > Rose
AOTC 3PO > Canto Bight
All of the Prequels > TLJ

The bright sparks?
Hamill is great, Fisher is great, Driver is fantastic.
Luke and Leia's reunion is wonderful and tender.
Snokes death (although illogical) is great.
**** it I even like the PORGS.

But Holdo, Rose, Maz, Broom Boy, Canto Bight, Caretakers, Monty Python jokes that fall flat after one viewing - are absolute garbage.
And the overall 'plot' is just stupid and nothing ****ing happens of worth over the course of nearly 3 hours. We have events and side missions but no story progressions.
Star Wars always felt huge - a cinematic myth - even when it failed it ALWAYS took it's own world seriously.

TLJ doesn't, it's tonally incorrect for SW. Want Luke to reject his lightsaber - sure. That makes sense, but don't get how to throw it over his shoulder for comedy value.
That doesn't make sense - at all. Skywalker might drop it, hand it back, even refuse to take it. Nope not enough for Johnson he has him do a comedy trick - one which completely destrys the emotion of the end of the previous godamn movie.
That bad film making and terrible writing.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Cool. Thing is though, I'm not on a side. I just thought personally that TLJ was a mess of a movie. The first SW movie that I actively really dislike (yes including the prequels). It has some great scenes mired in a cheesy load of fanboy nonsense.
And it ruined what I liked and was excited about from TFA. These are my opinions not anyone elses.
And believe me I tried to like it - I like ALL SW up to this point - I can laugh 'at' some stuff, I can groan at some of the prequels, even the SW Holiday special.
I saw it 4 times in the theatre, raved about the trailers, bought the 3D blu-ray, the 4K blu-ray I even have the soundtrack on vinyl. I like to like Star Wars - I'm a fanboy but one who knows these are just movies to enjoy (or not).
But I think it's a terrible terrible movie. Very badly made and very 'not star wars' but some kind of cheesy stupid Disney concoction.
It's horrible.
And it is incredibly sexist - if you want to bring more women into the franchise for gods sake do it (a) without feeling the need to knock the male characters and (B) Write interesting characterful women - not cardboard cut-outs.

Jar Jar Binks > Rose
AOTC 3PO > Canto Bight
All of the Prequels > TLJ

The bright sparks?
Hamill is great, Fisher is great, Driver is fantastic.
Luke and Leia's reunion is wonderful and tender.
Snokes death (although illogical) is great.
**** it I even like the PORGS.

But Holdo, Rose, Maz, Broom Boy, Canto Bight, Caretakers, Monty Python jokes that fall flat after one viewing - are absolute garbage.

Okay I obviously disagree with your take on TLJ but damn you've totally earned the right to bash it with that SW fanboy street cred and well thought out critique.

I definitely agree with your "sparks" and will throw this out there as something that I think Disney needs to *really* reign in going forward:

Stop showing the freaking characters in the movie owning/playing with SW "toys!"

They're three for three on that now, Rey's X-Wing pilot doll, Jyn's Stormtrooper doll, and now Broom kids playing with a Luke Skywalker figure. On the one hand they each pretty much worked in the context of each movie but they seriously need to stop now. I do *not* need these movies to play like vintage Kenner ads showing me how to play with the merchandise.

Ready Player One even went out of it's way to show that it's the evil corporate bad guy who aspires to advertise within his own IP.

(Ha I got to work in a little RPO into the conversation after all

 

[Neal136]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Its weird. Here in upstate NY none of my best friends cared for it. Wonder if something is in the Kool aid where Jy and Khev live

I also live in upstate NY (I know ... "upstate" can be huge), and mostly everyone I'm friends with really liked the movie. Almost 100% of my "casual fan" friends thought it was great, and out of my group of "lifelong Star Wars nerd" friends, I'd say about 90% liked it. A lot.
Per the norm, your mileage may vary.

 

[JAWS]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Even you JAWS, *you* are utterly terrified of putting yourself in Junkion's crosshairs?

And lol about your sister-in-law comment.

You can throw him in there also.. I just have not talked to him about this as much as you two and I tend to talk about other films with you two more also. But yeah Junkion is just as wrong as the both of you.

 

[YoNoSe]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Junkion is just as wrong as the both of you.

Spoiler

 

[JAWS]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I also live in upstate NY (I know ... "upstate" can be huge), and mostly everyone I'm friends with really liked the movie. Almost 100% of my "casual fan" friends thought it was great, and out of my group of "lifelong Star Wars nerd" friends, I'd say about 90% liked it. A lot.
Per the norm, your mileage may vary.

You are not far from me at all.. I am right near Elmira... I need to get together with some of you friends. Just to make sure their eyes are not crossed like Khev, Jye, and Junkion's

 

[Neal136]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

You are not far from me at all.. I am right near Elmira... I need to get together with some of you friends. Just to make sure their eyes are not crossed like Khev, Jye, and Junkion's

We're old and I'm sure our senses aren't what they used to be ... but as far as I recall, no one is ****-eyed.

 

[JAWS]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Spoiler

I'm not your Buddy, Guy!!

 

[YoNoSe]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I'm not your Buddy, Guy!!

 

[JAWS]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

We're old and I'm sure our senses aren't what they used to be ... but as far as I recall, no one is ****-eyed.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Lol, JAWS meet Junkion, Junkion meet JAWS.



Ah, great stuff.

 

[JAWS]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yes

 

[JAWS]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Lol, JAWS meet Junkion, Junkion meet JAWS.



Ah, great stuff.

 

[Popnfresh98]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yes. And TLJ didn't just toss aside fan theories but the actual storylines and concepts that JJ had for the trilogy.

Anyway, it's all complete BS now anyway.
I have more hope for Solo than any of this nonsense.

Based on something you know first hand or is it suppostion vs. supposition?

Daisy Ridley talking about the ST:

JJ (Abrams) wrote Episode VII, as well as drafts for VIII and IX.

Then Rian Johnson arrived and wrote The Last Jedi entirely. I believe there was some sort of general consensus on the main lines of the trilogy, but apart from that, every director writes and realises his film in his own way.

Rian Johnson and JJ Abrams met to discuss all of this, although Episode VIII is still his very own work. I believe Rian didn’t keep anything from the first draft of Episode VIII.

Simon Pegg also said J.J. had planned a lineage (as he seems to know all J.J.’s plans )

Personally I don’t mind she didn’t come from a lineage, it’s a good direction to go, but the supporting story had to match up as well. Even though J.J. made her too strong in TFA, Rian could have easily supported his ‘nobody’ turn by stopping the power creep. Instead he had her levitating many large boulders by the end of the week that started at the beginning of TFA. It took nothing for her to master all these things.

I’m sure they’re going to retcon at this point anyway though.

 

[YoNoSe]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I actually have many reservations about TLJ, just not the ones that are most broadly presented and repeated. I find it fun and, frankly, easy to refute a lot of the mainstream critiques.

On my first viewing I did not like it. I had sold myself on the notion of the heroic Luke movie. I slept on it and from the next day on began to recognize the merits of the TLJ.

I still don't 100% agree with the direction RJ took but I appreciate being shocked by the movie and, after that faded, being able to dissect and understand the reasoning behind all of the decisions.

That's not fanboy apologism. I fully acknowledge that my appreciation of the prequels is a guilty pleasure. I'm not a blind acolyte.

Rorywan has hit closest to the mark in terms of my main criticism - that Johnson is a "moment" director first and foremost. I said the same thing about Looper (and was cast out with the lepers back when muh-auteur was directing the next SW with vampires and smooches). But I disagree that he has somehow permanently damaged the story. I think he actually made it more interesting and complicated.

But I'm all for the debate since we actually have some real players now.

 

[JAWS]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I actually have many reservations about TLJ, just not the ones that are most broadly presented and repeated. I find it fun and, frankly, easy to refute a lot of the mainstream critiques.

On my first viewing I did not like it. I had sold myself on the notion of the heroic Luke movie. I slept on it and from the next day on began to recognize the merits of the TLJ.

I still don't 100% agree with the direction RJ took but I appreciate being shocked by the movie and, after that faded, being able to dissect and understand the reasoning behind all of the decisions.

That's not fanboy apologism. I fully acknowledge that my appreciation of the prequels is a guilty pleasure. I'm not a blind acolyte.

Rorywan has hit closest to the mark in terms of my main criticism - that Johnson is a "moment" director first and foremost. I said the same thing about Looper (and was cast out with the lepers back when muh-auteur was directing the next SW with vampires and smooches). But I disagree that he has somehow permanently damaged the story. I think he actually made it more interesting and complicated.

But I'm all for the debate since we actually have some real players now.

I am so burnt out of the debate...

Just agree with me.