Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

See even you couldn't say that with a straight face. :lol Making Darth Vader the creator of C-3PO literally changes the context of every single scene that they're in in the OT and it's just stupid. In 1977 we were introduced to a world where all these amazing characters with diverse backgrounds intersect with one another but then TPM comes along and says that the opening scene of SW has Leia running around the Blockade Runner with two droids owned by *both* her parents (Mom had R2, Dad made 3PO) making pretty much every single named character in the opening of SW related to one another.

That is just so stupid and tainting any classic/iconic scene from the OT is just unforgivable.


Sure, it’s jarring if you watch the OT first but it makes perfect sense if you watch the PT first. SW is all about inheritance; the droids are like a baton being passed to the next generation.

Until the ST that is...
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Cool. Thing is though, I'm not on a side. I just thought personally that TLJ was a mess of a movie. The first SW movie that I actively really dislike (yes including the prequels). It has some great scenes mired in a cheesy load of fanboy nonsense.
And it ruined what I liked and was excited about from TFA. These are my opinions not anyone elses.
And believe me I tried to like it - I like ALL SW up to this point - I can laugh 'at' some stuff, I can groan at some of the prequels, even the SW Holiday special.
I saw it 4 times in the theatre, raved about the trailers, bought the 3D blu-ray, the 4K blu-ray I even have the soundtrack on vinyl. I like to like Star Wars - I'm a fanboy but one who knows these are just movies to enjoy (or not).
But I think it's a terrible terrible movie. Very badly made and very 'not star wars' but some kind of cheesy stupid Disney concoction.
It's horrible.
And it is incredibly sexist - if you want to bring more women into the franchise for gods sake do it (a) without feeling the need to knock the male characters and (B) Write interesting characterful women - not cardboard cut-outs.

Jar Jar Binks > Rose
AOTC 3PO > Canto Bight
All of the Prequels > TLJ

The bright sparks?
Hamill is great, Fisher is great, Driver is fantastic.
Luke and Leia's reunion is wonderful and tender.
Snokes death (although illogical) is great.
**** it I even like the PORGS.

But Holdo, Rose, Maz, Broom Boy, Canto Bight, Caretakers, Monty Python jokes that fall flat after one viewing - are absolute garbage.
And the overall 'plot' is just stupid and nothing ****ing happens of worth over the course of nearly 3 hours. We have events and side missions but no story progressions.
Star Wars always felt huge - a cinematic myth - even when it failed it ALWAYS took it's own world seriously.

TLJ doesn't, it's tonally incorrect for SW. Want Luke to reject his lightsaber - sure. That makes sense, but don't get how to throw it over his shoulder for comedy value.
That doesn't make sense - at all. Skywalker might drop it, hand it back, even refuse to take it. Nope not enough for Johnson he has him do a comedy trick - one which completely destrys the emotion of the end of the previous godamn movie.
That bad film making and terrible writing.


Is Rorywan really just my second account here?? :lol
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I actually have many reservations about TLJ, just not the ones that are most broadly presented and repeated. I find it fun and, frankly, easy to refute a lot of the mainstream critiques.

See that's the thing, I wouldn't take issue with the naysayers if they were making the *right* criticisms against TFA and TLJ. :) Like why not complain about the fact that this alien species is suddenly ****ing everywhere, lol.

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They don't even look that cool yet they're in the Resistance, the Republic planet, Canto Bight, etc. Even after Abrams killed one in the attack on Starkiller Base Johnson still brought one back to be Poe's pilot buddy. Come on now, if you're gonna run with a new alien design at least pick the Two Tubes guy or something.

They aren't even consistent, the TFA pilot spoke English but not Poe's pilot friend in TLJ. And don't even get me started on "Yep, there's the illegal parkers right there! Derp!" :lol

;)
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

The droids were present for most major events in the PT/OT. While I like TFA/TLJ overall, they didn’t continue that theme. Maybe marketing told them they needed a new ball droid.

And yes, they ARE making this up as they go along. Johnson said what you see is what you get in TLJ but that JJ can change it if he wants. So Snoke may yet return and Rey may yet be a somebody.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I actually have many reservations about TLJ, just not the ones that are most broadly presented and repeated. I find it fun and, frankly, easy to refute a lot of the mainstream critiques.

On my first viewing I did not like it. I had sold myself on the notion of the heroic Luke movie. I slept on it and from the next day on began to recognize the merits of the TLJ.

I still don't 100% agree with the direction RJ took but I appreciate being shocked by the movie and, after that faded, being able to dissect and understand the reasoning behind all of the decisions.

That's not fanboy apologism. I fully acknowledge that my appreciation of the prequels is a guilty pleasure. I'm not a blind acolyte.

You should always go with your initial reaction.... You let SW guilt set in and rationalized how could you not like a SW movie?? :lol

The only time my opinion has ever changed on a movie are some comedies, where the more you watch them the funnier they become as to how stupid funny they were. Never that I can recall have I ever changed my opinion on a Scifi/Action/Adventure movie from additional viewings. I'm about as a big a SW fan as they come. 40+ years and saw Star Wars in the theater in 1977 at age 5. I don't think my opinion of TLJ will ever change, but it did change my opinion on TFA. :(
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

The bright sparks?
Hamill is great, Fisher is great, Driver is fantastic.
Luke and Leia's reunion is wonderful and tender.
Snokes death (although illogical) is great.
**** it I even like the PORGS.
I do not care for Old Carrie Fisher and I had more fun seeing Hamill as Luke again even though it I am not in love with everything they did with him. I pretty much agree with this list.

But Holdo, Rose, Maz, Broom Boy, Canto Bight, Caretakers, Monty Python jokes that fall flat after one viewing - are absolute garbage.
And the overall 'plot' is just stupid and nothing ****ing happens of worth over the course of nearly 3 hours. We have events and side missions but no story progressions.
.

I hated Maz in TFA and was not happy to see her again.. I wont say a thing about Canto Bight because its not worth the effort. Rose is by far my least fav SW character. Holdo was the wrong character to use in this film. Dramatically she just did not work for me. Give me real drama with known character so I don;t know who's side to be on. Poe or Lando / Leia / Mon Mothma / Akbar etc..

Thought the Jokes failed also.

I don;t have an opinion on Broom Boy. Not enough of a part to effect me.. Besides this is the "everyone gets a medal" SW Universe so it makes sense that even a broom boy has a pretty good grasp of the force. Man remember when it was hard for Luke just to grab his saber out of the ice :lol

Star Wars always felt huge - a cinematic myth - even when it failed it ALWAYS took it's own world seriously
TLJ doesn't, it's tonally incorrect for SW. Want Luke to reject his lightsaber - sure. That makes sense, but don't get how to throw it over his shoulder for comedy value.
That doesn't make sense - at all. Skywalker might drop it, hand it back, even refuse to take it. Nope not enough for Johnson he has him do a comedy trick - one which completely destrys the emotion of the end of the previous godamn movie.
That bad film making and terrible writing

First time viewing I did not mind the Lightsaber toss.. It was a shock value joke and it did shock me.. Problem is with Jokes like that.. Once the Shock wears off you are left with the events on hand and with that I agree with you.

Been too long for me to remember all my issues.. Will watch it again soon and take notes :lol
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

While I don't think it was necessarily the *best* choice per se I'm fine with Luke tossing the saber over his shoulder in silly fashion. It echoes Yoda being a goofball the first time Luke met him on Dagobah. If he was being silly during Rey's final scenes on Ach-To or when talking to Leia then yeah I would have taken issue. ;)
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

See that's the thing, I wouldn't take issue with the naysayers if they were making the *right* criticisms against TFA and TLJ.

So is Rey being so powerful, NOT a valid criticism?

I think that is the biggest issue with the ST and it has really ruined any drama with her character.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

While I don't think it was necessarily the *best* choice per se I'm fine with Luke tossing the saber over his shoulder in silly fashion. It echoes Yoda being a goofball the first time Luke met him on Dagobah. If he was being silly during Rey's final scenes on Ach-To or when talking to Leia then yeah I would have taken issue. ;)

Yes but Yoda was testing Luke... There was a reason Yoda was acting that way.. Never once did I think of Yoda when Luke made that move.

But of all the complaints about this film it is one of the few that I don;t have as much of an issue with because it served its purpose the first time... But I get why its hated.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

You should always go with your initial reaction.... You let SW guilt set in and rationalized how could you not like a SW movie?? :lol

The only time my opinion has ever changed on a movie are some comedies, where the more you watch them the funnier they become as to how stupid funny they were. Never that I can recall have I ever changed my opinion on a Scifi/Action/Adventure movie from additional viewings. I'm about as a big a SW fan as they come. 40+ years and saw Star Wars in the theater in 1977 at age 5. I don't think my opinion of TLJ will ever change, but it did change my opinion on TFA. :(

TLJ is the first time I let my expectation color my experience. I frankly laughed at TPM naysayers whose primary gripe was “it should have hapoened this way” but found myself briefly in the same position (not saying that applies to every neg opinion).

I’ve found many surprises re-evaluating movies. With all due respect, I don’t relate to sticking with a first impression. My opinion has evolved on every movie I revist.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

While I don't think it was necessarily the *best* choice per se I'm fine with Luke tossing the saber over his shoulder in silly fashion. It echoes Yoda being a goofball the first time Luke met him on Dagobah. If he was being silly during Rey's final scenes on Ach-To or when talking to Leia then yeah I would have taken issue. ;)

It can’t be this easy to crush every complaint that is brought up can it lol

Also irrelevant if Luke was training Rey or not.

Who is Rey that he needs to act a certain way with her?

If he wants to toss it in grand fashion so be it.
 
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Like why not complain about the fact that this alien species is suddenly ****ing everywhere, lol.

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They don't even look that cool yet they're in the Resistance, the Republic planet, Canto Bight, etc. Even after Abrams killed one in the attack on Starkiller Base Johnson still brought one back to be Poe's pilot buddy. Come on now, if you're gonna run with a new alien design at least pick the Two Tubes guy or something.

They aren't even consistent, the TFA pilot spoke English but not Poe's pilot friend in TLJ. And don't even get me started on "Yep, there's the illegal parkers right there! Derp!" :lol

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I've watched the films so little I do not even notice those stupid looking things..

RO had some cool Aliens.. Especially the first one here.

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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

It can’t be this easy to crush every complaint that is brought up can it lol

Also irrelevant if Luke was training Rey or not.

Who is Rey that he needs to act a certain way with her?

If he wants to toss it in grand fashion so be it.



It’s not just that Rey is nothing to him - he wants to actively discourage potential Jedi.

Another unattractive Skywalker trait - pessimistic, self conscious obsession.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

It can’t be this easy to crush every complaint that is brought up can it lol

Also irrelevant if Luke was training Rey or not.


I refuse to believe that Jye is willing to be this blind. :lol

This is just making up things to justify the existence of a bad choice... Sorry Khev.. :)

As I said before.. Yoda had a reason to behave that way.. If this was supposed to be a Recall then character wise it still makes no sense.. Luke has no intention of training her. There is no testing.. No trying to get under her skin to see if she is ready to be trained.

I think it was more played as a joke.. The fact that they filmed it several ways backs that they went for the laugh rather then "oh it's just like Yoda" idea.. Talk about Fan theories ;)


Go back to the PT and the way it mirrored the PT. Guess that means the PT are brilliant now??

I think not. :lol
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

It’s not just that Rey is nothing to him - he wants to actively discourage potential Jedi.

Another unattractive Skywalker trait - pessimistic, self conscious obsession.

Or played for the laugh.. Like I said.. They filmed it several ways... They went with the Joke.

But fan theories are fun ;) :)


Edit.. I am not sure where I got the "Filmed several ways" from.. Seems like a read it somewhere.

Perhaps more fan theories :lol
 
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Per Ryan Johnson "He had Luke do it because it made the most sense" Luke felt he was there for the right reasons.

Also per Johnson, He had to figure out "Why was Luke on the Island" So there is some evidence that there did not seem to be any idea on where these films were going.. Thanks JJ :lol

Damn all of you for making me listen to the commentary. :lol
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

But there’s different kinds of reactions that can be applied to that scene.

I didn’t laugh like I was watching Caddy Shack I actually gasped and said “Oh ****!” there is something troubling Luke what can it be!
 
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