Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

SNIKT while I agree that BvS is much better than the 22% RT implies I would absolutely say that you're barking up the wrong tree with regard to rushmore. I know for a fact that he seeks out and watches totally under the radar little art house movies largely ignored by the mainstream public. He's never once come across as someone who blindly follows the herd.

Sometimes people really do just dislike the movies that you like and vice versa.

 

[rushmore223]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

If I was part of the current moronic internet approach to ranking films and had subscribed to the general consensus that its 22% on RT score was on point, I probably never would have seen the movie. At all.

The fact that you proudly state how you Red-Boxed "the awful BvS" tells me that you indeed drank the bandwagon Kool-Aid and embraced the mass consensus on it to the point of not even seeing it [and it's grandiose 70mm sequences] at a theater screen. In other words ---> no matter what brilliance in storytelling or characterization could have surprised you during your Red Box BvS experience, you were gonna hate the movie. You had programmed yourself to hate the movie.

BvS is not a 10/10 but it's not the 0/10 the internet wants it to be. Unfortunately people like to agree with each other online and we have a community that gives WW & CW a 10/10 and would happily grant them Academy Award Nominations for Best Picture.

Again, very entertaining. I never gave it a 0, more like a 3/10.

I admit, I thought the film looked horrible from the trailers, but I'm usually willing to give a movie the benefit of the doubt, which is why I redboxed it, because what I saw didn't warrant buying a theater ticket. I like how you say red-boxed, as though it is somehow beneath you, I guess that means you don't own any discs or rent. So full of it.

I'm open minded, but I can tell a turd when I see it. To bad you can't.

Hearing you write about movies, and equating certain films with artistic vision, is like waxing poetic about your latest meal at Arby's or finding the deeper meaning behind a painting hanging in a hotel lobby. You prescribe much more merit to these films, because you can't tell the wheat from chaff.

 

[rushmore223]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

SNIKT while I agree that BvS is much better than the 22% RT implies I would absolutely say that you're barking up the wrong tree with regard to rushmore. I know for a fact that he seeks out and watches totally under the radar little art house movies largely ignored by the mainstream public. He's never once come across as someone who blindly follows the herd.

Sometimes people really do just dislike the movies that you like and vice versa.

Thank you Khev!

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

a community that gives WW & CW a 10/10 and would happily grant them Academy Award Nominations for Best Picture.

Honestly, that's a very, very narrow portion of the population. I don't know anyone in real life who is still talking about Wonder Woman -- it was fine, its over. Next. Hollywood loves it for obvious reasons. WB loves it for obvious reasons. Media will spew all kinds of accolades for it for obvious reasons. Its like "Splash" in its day -- a really popular mediocre movie that leaves no true lasting mark.

There's a long history of momentary popular films that pass and wither with time. Even most Academy Award winners. Best Picture for "Around the World in 80 Days"? Really? People enjoyed it in a moment in time, but it was quickly forgotten. "Out of Africa"? At the time, Best Pictures had to be epics, even if they weren't very epic. Best Picture for "Chicago"? Really? Only because the gay mafia had the awards rigged for 10-15 years recently. The system's rigged at any given time, but not necessarily the populace. Tastes change too fast for it to be rigged. Marvel will pass. Star Wars will pass. Everything will change... but we'll still get crap in a new form. Because crap is easy. Especially when its based on other crap, like comics.

 

[rushmore223]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I'm also waiting to Redbox Wonder Woman, it looks decent.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

For the record, other than here, I don't know anyone in real life who liked Civil War.

But here you have people who think Suicide Squad was brilliant, so....

 

[SNIKT1950]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I admit, I thought the film looked horrible from the trailers, but I'm usually willing to give a movie the benefit of the doubt, which is why I redboxed it, because what I saw didn't warrant buying a theater ticket. I like how you say red-boxed, as though it is somehow beneath you, I guess that means you don't own any discs or rent. So full of it.

I'm open minded, but I can tell a turd when I see it. To bad you can't.

There it is. Preconceived notions are powerful when it comes to movies. If BvS had positive buzz circling it I guarantee your grade would have been higher.

I have all these twenty-somethings that work for me who were all outrageously excited about WW because of all the great critical reception. The Monday after it came out they had all cooled quite a bit. Out of the group not one gave the film a 10/10. Everyone kept saying "Overrated". Just because people say something is great doesn't mean it will be. Same goes for what people are lambasting and calling "bad".

The important thing I find is to have no preconceived notions. I wanted to love WW. I went into it with vast excitement. It was one of the hardest in-theater experiences for me in a long time. Two hours of uninspired, SJW-targetted crap for 14-year-old girls.

Take Muschietti's It. I'm watching it tonight. People are saying Skarsgard is the new Heath Ledger and It is the best horror movie in decades. I don't care. I'll make all kinds of decisions regarding its quality after my IMAX screening tonight.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Preconceived notions are powerful when it comes to movies. If BvS had positive buzz circling it I guarantee your grade would have been higher.

Take Muschietti's It. I'm watching it tonight. People are saying Skarsgard is the new Heath Ledger and It is the best horror movie in decades. I don't care. I'll make all kinds of decisions regarding its quality after my IMAX screening tonight.

Not trying to butt into your guy's argument, but... I see an egocentric pattern here:


So Rushmore can't discern between popular opinion and his own, but you can? That's mighty convenient.

We all enter movies with preconceived notions -- some from marketing, some from reviews, etc. It's pompous to suggest only you can discern.

I remember seeing trailers for Die Hard and laughing because it was that TV guy and the movie looked like a typical cheap action movie. I went in expecting to hate it, and was blown away. Loved it! This has happened a number of times to me, and I'm very happy when it does. It also happens the other way around. More times than not. Most movies just aren't great. If they were, we wouldn't covet so few.


I do believe people can get caught up in "the hype"... and think Batman 89 is a great movie even when its a rather poorly executed movie. Or that Superman Returns is brilliant -- even though most turned on it three months after Williams score stopped pounding in their head. Avatar is another one -- I really enjoyed that initial experience more than any movie in a long time, but it faded fast and I can't even watch ten minutes of that movie now.

Is it really all "mass hypnosis" as SNIKT proclaims? No...

Age has a lot to do with it too -- not many 8-15 year olds have truly discerning eyes or taste. And likewise, not many people over 45 have the patience for stuff they've seen before. And by the time you reach 45, you've likely seen many things come and go and get repeated again as fresh for a new generation.

 

[YoNoSe]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

So are the boldes parts the only parts snikt sees?

Feige feige?

 

[SNIKT1950]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Not trying to butt into your guy's argument, but... I see an egocentric pattern here:


So Rushmore can't discern between popular opinion and his own, but you can? That's mighty convenient.

We all enter movies with preconceived notions -- some from marketing, some from reviews, etc. It's pompous to suggest only you can discern.

I remember seeing trailers for Die Hard and laughing because it was that TV guy and the movie looked like a typical cheap action movie. I went in expecting to hate it, and was blown away. Loved it! This has happened a number of times to me, and I'm very happy when it does. It also happens the other way around. More times than not. Most movies just aren't great. If they were, we wouldn't covet so few.


I do believe people can get caught up in "the hype"... and think Batman 89 is a great movie even when its a rather poorly executed movie. Or that Superman Returns is brilliant -- even though most turned on it three months after Williams score stopped pounding in their head. Avatar is another one -- I really enjoyed that initial experience more than any movie in a long time, but it faded fast and I can't even watch ten minutes of that movie now.

Is it really all "mass hypnosis" as SNIKT proclaims? No...

Age has a lot to do with it too -- not many 8-15 year olds have truly discerning eyes or taste. And likewise, not many people over 45 have the patience for stuff they've seen before. And by the time you reach 45, you've likely seen many things come and go and get repeated again as fresh for a new generation.

I'm curious on your thoughts regarding the It hype. Will you see the film in theaters? Do you expect an Oscar-worthy turn by Skarsgard?

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I'm curious on your thoughts regarding the It hype. Will you see the film in theaters? Do you expect an Oscar-worthy turn by Skarsgard?

I'd like to see it but have no plans at the moment. I never read the book and never saw the Tim Curry version, so I'm pretty fresh fodder. This is one of the first films in a long time that I actually don't know what to expect. That's good. But I'm not scared of clowns in any way so that whole idea seems silly to me going in.

I'm very excited if this helps bring back horror/monster movies for a 5 year stint. I miss those movies -- everything from Alien to Jurassic Park. I think Stranger Things and It might have created a mishmash of Horror-lite that I'm calling "Family Horror"... so we'll see what happens.


I'm going to take a guess and say that you will not like this movie. Not 'hate' but more of an 'eh' reaction. I don't think you'll hate it but you'll see through it. I think you'll think some of the performances are good but perhaps not the clown. Another well-made crowd-pleaser. You will give it a 7/10.

I just want to see how close I get to guessing your reaction correctly. I know you'll be honest about it either way.

 

[rushmore223]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

So are the boldes parts the only parts snikt sees?

Feige feige?

Yeah, it's funny, he only sees the parts that support his "narrative".

 

[Prime Clone]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Preconceived notions are powerful when it comes to movies.

True, and it works both ways. I was predisposed by my own biases to like BvS. I love both characters, liked how they were handled, and was gratified to see DKR/Death of Superman on the big screen.

Just as I like the SW prequels because they gave us a back story for the OT, and I don't judge them too harshly on the actual filmmaking.

Maybe I set the bar too low, but at least I get movies I enjoy!

But it's still funny how BvS is a "failure" despite grossing more than WW. (Yes, I know Bats and Supes are bigger characters, but BB and SR didn't do that great back in the day)

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I still think that the studios view any tent pole movie that doesn't break 1B as disappointing if not out right failures lol

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

When you're spending money on budgets that used to be a successful film's total domestic boxoffice take, then yes a billion is the new benchmark to reach.

 

[Prime Clone]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

BTW I've never been able to reconcile Freddie not liking Star Wars with this photo....

Maybe getting the Flash Gordon gig changed his tune!

 

[SNIKT1950]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I'd like to see it but have no plans at the moment. I never read the book and never saw the Tim Curry version, so I'm pretty fresh fodder. This is one of the first films in a long time that I actually don't know what to expect. That's good. But I'm not scared of clowns in any way so that whole idea seems silly to me going in.

I'm very excited if this helps bring back horror/monster movies for a 5 year stint. I miss those movies -- everything from Alien to Jurassic Park. I think Stranger Things and It might have created a mishmash of Horror-lite that I'm calling "Family Horror"... so we'll see what happens.


I'm going to take a guess and say that you will not like this movie. Not 'hate' but more of an 'eh' reaction. I don't think you'll hate it but you'll see through it. I think you'll think some of the performances are good but perhaps not the clown. Another well-made crowd-pleaser. You will give it a 7/10.

I just want to see how close I get to guessing your reaction correctly. I know you'll be honest about it either way.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I think this is more accurate

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

^^^ You're my best friend....

 

[Prime Clone]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019