Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Rorywan]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I actually really liked Rey in TFA. I thought she was the best part of the movie. JJ did a good job introducing her and adding all the mystery as to who she was and why she could do what she could. Johnson just ruined all that with his nonsense.... Because of TLJ I can't stand any of the characters nor bring myself to care about TFA anymore. I can't see how JJ can possibly undo any of the harm caused by Johnson in EP9.

It’s true all of it...

 

[Rorywan]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Wasn’t Anakin’s fast tracked, he was a freaking kid while piloting in a pod race....

Not since BvS have I seen complaints be disolved so quickly lol

Jye has lost all control of his senses!
BVS? are you seriously defending or comparing Batman Versus Superman in this thread?
And Anakin was The Chosen One - that was the point, a being brought into existence by the force. He was Jesus, the little bugger had no father....

Rey was sold for tequila money by her parents according to Baby Rian.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Your writing off a three movie series after the first movie lol

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Even with that little get out of jail card it was still a stupid thing to do having the main hero personally defeat the main villain in the first movie. They should have written a way around it. Because here comes the third and final movie, where it appears Kylo is to be Rey's sole adversary - and it's already 1-0 to Rey, 2-0 if you include the way she mentally overpowered him in that earlier TFA scene. What are they gonna do now? Have Kylo beat her at a point where she can only be stronger in the force than she was previously? Somehow I doubt it. So you've basically got a whole trilogy where the central hero wins again and again. It goes against the convention of these films.

Imagine if Luke beat Vader in Empire. Then just beat him again in Jedi. Or if Anakin beat Dooku in AOTC, and then again in ROTS. Would have sucked....ok AOTC and ROTS sucked anyway but you get the point. The threat of the villain has to be maintained until his ultimate defeat.

Well Rey and Kylo's first matchup was in the forest at Takodana and he defeated her easily which set up her big comeback at Starkiller Base. So technically they are 1-1. And in TLJ she would have been dead if he hadn't turned on Snoke so she "owes him one" for that bit. Also against the eight Praetorian guards he took out five compared to her three, he even had a sequence where he fought three of them at once compared to Rey who largely faced them one at a time. So I don't consider their history to be as heavily in her favor as you.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Especially since Kylo is NOT Vader!

Wanting to be Vader and being just like him are 2 different things.

He’s not as infallible as Vader in his prime.

 

[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Jye has lost all control of his senses!
BVS? are your seriously defending or comparing Batman Versus Superman in this thread?
And Anakin was The Chosen One - that was the point, a being brought into existence by the force. He was Jesus, the little bugger had no father....

Rey was sold for tequila money by her parents according to Baby Rian.

The force willed Anakin into existence. It didn't work. Back to the drawing board.

So the force (obviously the embodiment of Kathleen Kennedy & her man servant Rian Johnson) said screw it and just picked some random nobody female, since males are incompetent, that was left behind by her family and alone and channeled all the force into existence and into her body. That was the tingly awakening she felt. "Rey is now the ultimate power in the universe! I suggest the new Rebellion uses it."

 

[RavenEye]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Rey's abilities were explained? Oh yeah, "something inside me" bull crap. Or Snokes "there has been an awakening". Whatever. I guess that's all that's needed anymore for a compelling back story. About as genuine as a parent telling their kid "because I said so".

Sounds familiar... oh right... So the force is now puberty... Jedi want to tell their students about the why the lightsaber blade grows or how to use it, but just comes off as akward so Rey just figures out how to use it without protection.

 

[Rorywan]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Your writing off a three movie series after the first movie lol

No there’s been 2 now Jye. We are 75% through the ST.
Although I can understand your mistake, I would love if TLJ didn’t exist either.

 

[Rorywan]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

The force willed Anakin into existence. It didn't work. Back to the drawing board.

So the force (obviously the embodiment of Kathleen Kennedy & her man servant Rian Johnson) said screw it and just picked some random nobody female, since males are incompetent, that was left behind by her family and alone and channeled all the force into existence into her body. That was the tingly awakening she felt. "Rey is now the ultimate power in the universe! I suggest the new Rebellion uses it."

This.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Especially since Kylo is NOT Vader!

Wanting to be Vader and being just like him are 2 different things.

He’s not as infallible as Vader in his prime.

Yes, plus if you compare Kylo and Rey with respect to the damage that they've done to the other side Rey doesn't even come close. Kylo killed Han Solo, caused Luke Skywalker to sacrifice himself, killed Snoke, single handedly obliterated the entire Resistance fighter squadron including Poe's famous X-Wing, put Finn in a coma, made Poe his ***** despite being shot at from behind, killed more Praetorian Guards, etc. What has Rey done? Gave Kylo a scar and knocked him down and shot a dozen or so Stormtroopers/TIE pilots. I think he's more than holding his own in these movies.

 

[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yes, plus if you compare Kylo and Rey with respect to the damage that they've done to the other side Rey doesn't even come close. Kylo killed Han Solo, caused Luke Skywalker to sacrifice himself, killed Snoke, single handedly obliterated the entire Resistance fighter squadron including Poe's famous X-Wing, killed more Praetorian Guards, etc. What has Rey done? Gave Kylo a scar and knocked him down and shot a dozen or so Stormtroopers/TIE pilots. I think he's more than holding his own in these movies.

Did we watch the same movie?

First Kylo killed a defenseless old man while the ducktroopers killed everyone else, Kylo then killed Daddy who only wanted a hug, Luke went to the island to die anyway & figured he might as well humiliate little Kylo one more time, and then Kylo pranked his master Snoke after his invincible speech. The only things I remember Kylo actually killing was a control panel, and some dancing lobstermen... But I guess he is a capable pilot like Dad, Grandpa Vader and Uncle Luke.

 

[Vault Boy]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Vault Boy are you saying that you don't like how Rey's abilities were explained in TFA and TLJ? Tell us more.

Absurd and half assed explanation contradicted:



Force mutation and Matrix style Force download. Brilliant.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Did we watch the same movie?

First Kylo killed a defenseless old man while the ducktroopers killed everyone else, Kylo then killed Daddy who only wanted a hug, Luke went to the island to die anyway & figured he might as well humiliate little Kylo one more time, and then Kylo pranked his master Snoke after his invincible speech. The only things I remember Kylo actually killing was a control panel, and some dancing lobstermen... But I guess he is a capable pilot like Dad, Grandpa Vader and Uncle Luke.

I'm sorry but I just can't take this response seriously. By your logic Vader pranked the Emperor from behind, killed defenseless Ben who had chosen to die anyway, killed some officers that only wanted to please him, etc. If you can't acknowledge the legitimate path of death and destruction that has been left in the wake of Kylo Ren then there really isn't any point in you and I continuing any further discussion on the matter.

I'm fine with calling it a case of you and I watching two different films (and entire Sagas even) and calling it a day.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Just watched TLJ on a plane....

It was scarier than Snakes on a Plane.

 

[a-dev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Surprisingly good post from A-Dev all things considered.

Why does this compliment leave me with some sense of paranoia?

 

[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I'm sorry but I just can't take this response seriously. By your logic Vader pranked the Emperor from behind, killed defenseless Ben who had chosen to die anyway, killed some officers that only wanted to please him, etc. If you can't acknowledge the legitimate path of death and destruction that has been left in the wake of Kylo Ren then there really isn't any point in you and I continuing any further discussion on the matter.

I'm fine with calling it a case of you and I watching two different films (and entire Sagas even) and calling it a day.

I was kinda being sarcastic. Wasn't meant to be taken so seriously. Sorry for the confusion... I guess only Jye & the few others in the inner TLJ circle can mess with you.

But your trying to make Kylo out to be some amazing villain and character like Darth Vader. He's not nor ever will be. He never should've taken off his mask until the 3rd movie. He was cool looking visually. Imagine if Vader didn't need his helmet, took it off to intimidate Leia, then we saw an old scarred white dude for the remainder of the OT...

And at least Vader actually physically killed the Emperor. Also Ben wasn't killed by Vader, he disappeared into the force before Vader ever made contact with his body. That's why Vader was confused and stomping his foot on Obi-Wan's clothes while wondering what the hell just happened. I think.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I was kinda being sarcastic. Wasn't meant to be taken so seriously. Sorry for the confusion... I guess only Jye & the few others in the inner TLJ circle can mess with you.

Nope! The mistake was mine. I'm totally against cliques and welcome friendly banter/sarcasm from all regardless of what movies you like or don't like. My apologies for the salty reply!

But your trying to make Kylo out to be some amazing villain and character like Darth Vader. He's not nor ever will be. He never should've taken off his mask until the 3rd movie. He was cool looking visually. Imagine if Vader didn't need his helmet, took it off to intimidate Leia, then we saw an old scarred white dude for the remainder of the OT...

No I've never likened Kylo Ren to Vader. I've said from the beginning that to me he's what Anakin in the PT should have been. No one ever has been nor ever will be on the level of Vader.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

No there’s been 2 now Jye. We are 75% through the ST.
Although I can understand your mistake, I would love if TLJ didn’t exist either.

Wait wut, you wrote Rey off in 2015 you didn’t need TLJ to disown the ST.

Or are you just pissed that Rian ignored your fan theories lol

Yes, plus if you compare Kylo and Rey with respect to the damage that they've done to the other side Rey doesn't even come close. Kylo killed Han Solo, caused Luke Skywalker to sacrifice himself, killed Snoke, single handedly obliterated the entire Resistance fighter squadron including Poe's famous X-Wing, put Finn in a coma, made Poe his ***** despite being shot at from behind, killed more Praetorian Guards, etc. What has Rey done? Gave Kylo a scar and knocked him down and shot a dozen or so Stormtroopers/TIE pilots. I think he's more than holding his own in these movies.

I thought how Kylo meticulously and quietly betrayed Snoke was phenomenal especialy with Rey as a distraction.

Even though Kylo killed his father he still respected and honored Han’s warning to him about Snoke and turned that advise into action.

Incredible scene.

 

[punisher1974]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

When she touched Luke's lightsaber in TFA , the force entered her body. She gained the force powers of Anakin, that's why she had the force vision of Vader, heard the voices of Old and Young Ben and Yoda. She already had powers, but the force fast tracked her abilities. Hey it's as a theory as good as any other! That's why the saber called to her, it was the will of the force. She is the person that the force has chosen to rebuild the New Jedi Order, it was not Luke. Luke had fulfilled his purpose, overthrow Vader and Palpatine, not start a new order.

The first part happens when my wife touches my lightsaber too.

 

[ironwez20]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

You sick bastard! Think of the children!

Nah lol. Good one