Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Yep, a good actor with good dialogue and commanding screen presence both in and out of the suit.
Yep, a good actor with good dialogue and commanding screen presence both in and out of the suit.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Lets all stop pretending that Rey's Force Powers somehow make sense with everything that came before it.
If she was just Pod racing or killing Womp rats before she actually got some true Guidance I might be on board with all this.. But she was using Jedi Mind tricks, flying the falcon, being a sharp shooter (I think?) defeating trained jedi at their own mind games, beating trained Jedi in lightsaber battles... All before meeting a teacher... At least when she lifted all the rocks she had met Luke..
Remember how hard it was for Luke to lift one rock with the force or to get his lightsaber unstuck from the ice?? And that was after guidance and training.
Not to mention she can also speak Wookie.. Luke cant even do that and he has known Chewie a lot longer.. SHe much have had a wookie friend on her old home planet.
Lets all stop pretending that Rey's Force Powers somehow make sense with everything that came before it.
If she was just Pod racing or killing Womp rats before she actually got some true Guidance I might be on board with all this.. But she was using Jedi Mind tricks, flying the falcon, being a sharp shooter (I think?) defeating trained jedi at their own mind games, beating trained Jedi in lightsaber battles... All before meeting a teacher... At least when she lifted all the rocks she had met Luke..
Remember how hard it was for Luke to lift one rock with the force or to get his lightsaber unstuck from the ice?? And that was after guidance and training.
Not to mention she can also speak Wookie.. Luke cant even do that and he has known Chewie a lot longer.. SHe much have had a wookie friend on her old home planet.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
I pretty much agree with all of this.. It really hurt the drama of the following films.
Perhaps this is all Disney's fault... They were afraid that little girls would not be able to handle having their hero not come out triumphant.. Especially after the villain just killed her father figure.
Not being sarcastic there.. Just really seemed like a weird choice, dramatically speaking.
I pretty much agree with all of this.. It really hurt the drama of the following films.
Perhaps this is all Disney's fault... They were afraid that little girls would not be able to handle having their hero not come out triumphant.. Especially after the villain just killed her father figure.
Not being sarcastic there.. Just really seemed like a weird choice, dramatically speaking.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
I'm not gonna lie it felt a bit wrong to watch Rey translating Chewie's speech for Luke or that she instantly assumed that Luke even needed a translator. I never said that TLJ was without flaw or that I agreed with every single one of Johnson's decisions.
I'm glad that Luke picked up binary at least and could understand R2 without his X-Wing's onboard translator.
I'm not gonna lie it felt a bit wrong to watch Rey translating Chewie's speech for Luke or that she instantly assumed that Luke even needed a translator. I never said that TLJ was without flaw or that I agreed with every single one of Johnson's decisions.
I'm glad that Luke picked up binary at least and could understand R2 without his X-Wing's onboard translator.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Tell 'em, Kmart.
Rey sucks.
Tell 'em, Kmart.
Rey sucks.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Ya know if they would have just let Kylo win the tug of war contest over the lightsaber in TLJ, I think it would have made things more interesting then making them seem like equals... Show how much stronger he may have become in the force after killing snoke..
I mean we all know what the probable outcome will be... But it would have made it a bit more interesting.
Now she is not only his equal but she has Jedi text.. Kylo does not stand a chance
Ya know if they would have just let Kylo win the tug of war contest over the lightsaber in TLJ, I think it would have made things more interesting then making them seem like equals... Show how much stronger he may have become in the force after killing snoke..
I mean we all know what the probable outcome will be... But it would have made it a bit more interesting.
Now she is not only his equal but she has Jedi text.. Kylo does not stand a chance
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Speaking of R2's dialogue I always found this amusing, lol.
Speaking of R2's dialogue I always found this amusing, lol.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Do I have my privacy settings screwy or something? For the last few days I can't see anyone's posted videos. Just big black squares.
It says protected mode on in properties. Maybe its because I'm on IE.
Do I have my privacy settings screwy or something? For the last few days I can't see anyone's posted videos. Just big black squares.
It says protected mode on in properties. Maybe its because I'm on IE.
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Here's the direct link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDMUuJVltio
Do I have my privacy settings screwy or something? For the last few days I can't see anyone's posted videos. Just big black squares.
It says protected mode on in properties. Maybe its because I'm on IE.
Here's the direct link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDMUuJVltio
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
good stuff.
But the one pary did remind me of how flawed Luke was in the OT..
Gets But kicked by Tusken Raider
Needs to be saved by Wedge at first DS battle
Gets shot once and needs R2 to fix his X wing
Gets R2 shot
Needs Han to save him
Gets Dak killed.
Gets shot down by At At
Crashes on Dagobah
Fails to lift X wing
Gets ass kicked throughout first saber fight
Gets had cut off
Uses Dark Side to win battle
Rey needs to lose a tooth or something
But the one pary did remind me of how flawed Luke was in the OT..
Gets But kicked by Tusken Raider
Needs to be saved by Wedge at first DS battle
Gets shot once and needs R2 to fix his X wing
Gets R2 shot
Needs Han to save him
Gets Dak killed.
Gets shot down by At At
Crashes on Dagobah
Fails to lift X wing
Gets ass kicked throughout first saber fight
Gets had cut off
Uses Dark Side to win battle
Rey needs to lose a tooth or something
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Thanks. I wonder why I can't see them anymore? Some Premium account.
Thanks. I wonder why I can't see them anymore? Some Premium account.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Luke's journey will always be the most interesting and satisfying aspect of the SW Saga. Even TLJ acknowledged that. But I like Rey for what she is. And in her defense Luke had never even heard of the Force until Ben explained it to him while Rey was clearly well versed in the "myth" of Luke Skywalker. So even though it isn't spelled out on screen I'm fine just assuming that if she had heard of Luke Skywalker and details of even Han Solo's backstory (Kessel Run, etc.) then she probably at some point was told that Jedi use the Force by closing their eyes and lifting things, controlling minds by telling weak willed people what to do, etc.
The film seemed to imply that she was a bit of a fangirl who had a lot of the same info shared by the audience. As Murtaugh said it might be thin but since I like these new films it's what I go with.
good stuff.
But the one pary did remind me of how flawed Luke was in the OT..
Gets But kicked by Tusken Raider
Needs to be saved by Wedge at first DS battle
Gets shot once and needs R2 to fix his X wing
Gets R2 shot
Needs Han to save him
Gets Dak killed.
Gets shot down by At At
Crashes on Dagobah
Fails to lift X wing
Gets ass kicked throughout first saber fight
Gets had cut off
Uses Dark Side to win battle
Rey needs to lose a tooth or something
Luke's journey will always be the most interesting and satisfying aspect of the SW Saga. Even TLJ acknowledged that. But I like Rey for what she is. And in her defense Luke had never even heard of the Force until Ben explained it to him while Rey was clearly well versed in the "myth" of Luke Skywalker. So even though it isn't spelled out on screen I'm fine just assuming that if she had heard of Luke Skywalker and details of even Han Solo's backstory (Kessel Run, etc.) then she probably at some point was told that Jedi use the Force by closing their eyes and lifting things, controlling minds by telling weak willed people what to do, etc.
The film seemed to imply that she was a bit of a fangirl who had a lot of the same info shared by the audience. As Murtaugh said it might be thin but since I like these new films it's what I go with.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
No. That’s completely untrue Jye. I really liked TFA. It was very flawed but set up some great new characters and storylines for a new trilogy.
I hate TLJ because it was cheesy slap-schtick. And it undid anything I liked about the first one. I didn’t have fan theories -because I expected the film makers and writers to come up with something much better - very exciting and unexpected as a second movie.
It was unexpected... unexpectedly bad.
The Force Awakens had Kylo talking to Vader’s spirit.. the helmet, the Knights of Ren, the mystery and masses of potential excitement. Can't wait to see where all that goes. Who the hell is the creepy Snoke? What does he want? Who are The First Order? Fantastic set-up. Driver nailed it - first great villain in a very long time.
We had a fantastic set-up for Rey - her sliding down the sand dunes with the new Williams score is one of my favorite SW moments. The flashbacks suggesting that she was going to have some serious reveals down the line. That her story was going to be so much more than we think. That's not fanboy speculation - that was in TFA. It was a narrative set-up to suggest a much bigger story.
We had Poe - super WWII style - brash hero - cheesy but great fun - the x-wings arriving and the Resistance theme.. and the seriously good duel in the forest between Rey and Kylo. It was raw and unchoreographed in nature - really great. Two untrained 'jedi' smashing at each other.
Where was all this going to go? The humor was balanced and the tone was completely correct for SW.
Likewise with RO. Now that was a movie I had reservations about as I thought the first trailers were poor. But Gilroy pulled it off. It’s a fantastic Star Wars movie.
So TLJ basically **** the bed in ever department - despite having some great moments.
Snokes death is great - despite being a bad move for the trilogy overall. That should have happened in the third movie after we had some development. Rey having no story - being a "no-one" - also a great moment - but one that makes her ultimately less interesting. And it felt like a check list of undoing the previous movies mysteries by the time it was revealed. Another “moment” that sacrificed the overall story.
But it’s the miss use of time and comedy and seriously questionable modern sensibilities that destroy TLJ.
Baby Rian had his own priorities with the movie - and they were misguided.
A lot of SW fans (almost everyone except for you and Khev) think it’s a bad movie. That’s disastrous for the the middle episode of a new trilogy. Yes Baby Rian broke all the rules but he did so with no consideration for the story arc of 3 movies.
Disney know that - hence getting JJ back instead of another director who might do the same with the third episode. And topple the entire trilogy. You have to think long term here, not just on a year to year release - but how these movies will be regarded in 10 years from now as a trilogy - because as Hamill quite rightly points out - Disney will make these for years if they can.
And come on.. Luke tossing the Sabre over his shoulder in a comedy shot? The Sabre that belonged to his father, the Sabre that Obi-wan gave him? Comedy? There is no coherent explanation for this moment except to get a laugh - I'm talking about it's execution not concept.
If he wanted to reject his past he would have refused to take it, dropped it, handed it back to Rey.
Baby Rian doesn’t seem to understand that the shot he used breaks the reality of the camera of the world.
It’s a set up slapstick moment- these don’t happen in the real world it was audience aware. It was ****.
In world narrative verisimilitude is an integral part of SW. It's why the whole thing has lasted this long. A relatable myth and a story from the past, or future about good and evil.
Baby Rian broke that reality with conscious nods and winks to 2018 audiences for the sake of some comedy moments that either fell flat or got a reaction on first viewing. It's cheap.
And the Fathier sequence must be one of the most ill conceived sequences I've seen in a very long time. Nothing works. The VFX is awful for the most part - and it's not entertaining in anyway. Christ did you see the size of the sets and creature department work? Amazing, costly and all wasted.
Anyway...
Here's to you episode IX.. you have your work cut out for you.
No. That’s completely untrue Jye. I really liked TFA. It was very flawed but set up some great new characters and storylines for a new trilogy.
I hate TLJ because it was cheesy slap-schtick. And it undid anything I liked about the first one. I didn’t have fan theories -because I expected the film makers and writers to come up with something much better - very exciting and unexpected as a second movie.
It was unexpected... unexpectedly bad.
The Force Awakens had Kylo talking to Vader’s spirit.. the helmet, the Knights of Ren, the mystery and masses of potential excitement. Can't wait to see where all that goes. Who the hell is the creepy Snoke? What does he want? Who are The First Order? Fantastic set-up. Driver nailed it - first great villain in a very long time.
We had a fantastic set-up for Rey - her sliding down the sand dunes with the new Williams score is one of my favorite SW moments. The flashbacks suggesting that she was going to have some serious reveals down the line. That her story was going to be so much more than we think. That's not fanboy speculation - that was in TFA. It was a narrative set-up to suggest a much bigger story.
We had Poe - super WWII style - brash hero - cheesy but great fun - the x-wings arriving and the Resistance theme.. and the seriously good duel in the forest between Rey and Kylo. It was raw and unchoreographed in nature - really great. Two untrained 'jedi' smashing at each other.
Where was all this going to go? The humor was balanced and the tone was completely correct for SW.
Likewise with RO. Now that was a movie I had reservations about as I thought the first trailers were poor. But Gilroy pulled it off. It’s a fantastic Star Wars movie.
So TLJ basically **** the bed in ever department - despite having some great moments.
Snokes death is great - despite being a bad move for the trilogy overall. That should have happened in the third movie after we had some development. Rey having no story - being a "no-one" - also a great moment - but one that makes her ultimately less interesting. And it felt like a check list of undoing the previous movies mysteries by the time it was revealed. Another “moment” that sacrificed the overall story.
But it’s the miss use of time and comedy and seriously questionable modern sensibilities that destroy TLJ.
Baby Rian had his own priorities with the movie - and they were misguided.
A lot of SW fans (almost everyone except for you and Khev
) think it’s a bad movie. That’s disastrous for the the middle episode of a new trilogy. Yes Baby Rian broke all the rules but he did so with no consideration for the story arc of 3 movies.Disney know that - hence getting JJ back instead of another director who might do the same with the third episode. And topple the entire trilogy. You have to think long term here, not just on a year to year release - but how these movies will be regarded in 10 years from now as a trilogy - because as Hamill quite rightly points out - Disney will make these for years if they can.
And come on.. Luke tossing the Sabre over his shoulder in a comedy shot? The Sabre that belonged to his father, the Sabre that Obi-wan gave him? Comedy? There is no coherent explanation for this moment except to get a laugh - I'm talking about it's execution not concept.
If he wanted to reject his past he would have refused to take it, dropped it, handed it back to Rey.
Baby Rian doesn’t seem to understand that the shot he used breaks the reality of the camera of the world.
It’s a set up slapstick moment- these don’t happen in the real world it was audience aware. It was ****.
In world narrative verisimilitude is an integral part of SW. It's why the whole thing has lasted this long. A relatable myth and a story from the past, or future about good and evil.
Baby Rian broke that reality with conscious nods and winks to 2018 audiences for the sake of some comedy moments that either fell flat or got a reaction on first viewing. It's cheap.
And the Fathier sequence must be one of the most ill conceived sequences I've seen in a very long time. Nothing works. The VFX is awful for the most part - and it's not entertaining in anyway. Christ did you see the size of the sets and creature department work? Amazing, costly and all wasted.
Anyway...
Here's to you episode IX.. you have your work cut out for you.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
jye right now
No. That’s completely untrue Jye. I really liked TFA. It was very flawed but set up some great new characters and storylines for a new trilogy.
I hate TLJ because it was cheesy slap-schtick. And it undid anything I liked about the first one. I didn’t have fan theories -because I expected the film makers and writers to come up with something much better - very exciting and unexpected as a second movie.
It was unexpected... unexpectedly bad.
The Force Awakens had Kylo talking to Vader’s spirit.. the helmet, the Knights of Ren, the mystery and masses of potential excitement. Can't wait to see where all that goes. Who the hell is the creepy Snoke? What does he want? Who are The First Order? Fantastic set-up. Driver nailed it - first great villain in a very long time.
We had a fantastic set-up for Rey - her sliding down the sand dunes with the new Williams score is one of my favorite SW moments. The flashbacks suggesting that she was going to have some serious reveals down the line. That her story was going to be so much more than we think. That's not fanboy speculation - that was in TFA. It was a narrative set-up to suggest a much bigger story.
We had Poe - super WWII style - brash hero - cheesy but great fun - the x-wings arriving and the Resistance theme.. and the seriously good duel in the forest between Rey and Kylo. It was raw and unchoreographed in nature - really great. Two untrained 'jedi' smashing at each other.
Where was all this going to go? The humor was balanced and the tone was completely correct for SW.
Likewise with RO. Now that was a movie I had reservations about as I thought the first trailers were poor. But Gilroy pulled it off. It’s a fantastic Star Wars movie.
So TLJ basically **** the bed in ever department - despite having some great moments.
Snokes death is great - despite being a bad move for the trilogy overall. That should have happened in the third movie after we had some development. Rey having no story - being a "no-one" - also a great moment - but one that makes her ultimately less interesting. And it felt like a check list of undoing the previous movies mysteries by the time it was revealed. Another “moment” that sacrificed the overall story.
But it’s the miss use of time and comedy and seriously questionable modern sensibilities that destroy TLJ.
Baby Rian had his own priorities with the movie - and they were misguided.
A lot of SW fans (almost everyone except for you and Khev
Disney know that - hence getting JJ back instead of another director who might do the same with the third episode. And topple the entire trilogy. You have to think long term here, not just on a year to year release - but how these movies will be regarded in 10 years from now as a trilogy - because as Hamill quite rightly points out - Disney will make these for years if they can.
And come on.. Luke tossing the Sabre over his shoulder in a comedy shot? The Sabre that belonged to his father, the Sabre that Obi-wan gave him? Comedy? There is no coherent explanation for this moment except to get a laugh - I'm talking about it's execution not concept.
If he wanted to reject his past he would have refused to take it, dropped it, handed it back to Rey.
Baby Rian doesn’t seem to understand that the shot he used breaks the reality of the camera of the world.
It’s a set up slapstick moment- these don’t happen in the real world it was audience aware. It was ****.
In world narrative verisimilitude is an integral part of SW. It's why the whole thing has lasted this long. A relatable myth and a story from the past, or future about good and evil.
Baby Rian broke that reality with conscious nods and winks to 2018 audiences for the sake of some comedy moments that either fell flat or got a reaction on first viewing. It's cheap.
And the Fathier sequence must be one of the most ill conceived sequences I've seen in a very long time. Nothing works. The VFX is awful for the most part - and it's not entertaining in anyway. Christ did you see the size of the sets and creature department work? Amazing, costly and all wasted.
Anyway...
Here's to you episode IX.. you have your work cut out for you.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Guys can hate TLJ all you want i’m going to go watch SW with Khev:
Khev you mind if I put on AOTC:
Guys can hate TLJ all you want i’m going to go watch SW with Khev:
Khev you mind if I put on AOTC:
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