Guys can hate TLJ all you want i’m going to go watch SW with Khev:
Khev you mind if I put on AOTC:
Guys can hate TLJ all you want i’m going to go watch SW with Khev:
Khev you mind if I put on AOTC:
No. That’s completely untrue Jye. I really liked TFA. It was very flawed but set up some great new characters and storylines for a new trilogy.
I hate TLJ because it was cheesy slap-schtick. And it undid anything I liked about the first one. I didn’t have fan theories -because I expected the film makers and writers to come up with something much better - very exciting and unexpected as a second movie.
It was unexpected... unexpectedly bad.
The Force Awakens had Kylo talking to Vader’s spirit.. the helmet, the Knights of Ren, the mystery and masses of potential excitement. Can't wait to see where all that goes. Who the hell is the creepy Snoke? What does he want? Who are The First Order? Fantastic set-up. Driver nailed it - first great villain in a very long time.
We had a fantastic set-up for Rey - her sliding down the sand dunes with the new Williams score is one of my favorite SW moments. The flashbacks suggesting that she was going to have some serious reveals down the line. That her story was going to be so much more than we think. That's not fanboy speculation - that was in TFA. It was a narrative set-up to suggest a much bigger story.
We had Poe - super WWII style - brash hero - cheesy but great fun - the x-wings arriving and the Resistance theme.. and the seriously good duel in the forest between Rey and Kylo. It was raw and unchoreographed in nature - really great. Two untrained 'jedi' smashing at each other.
Where was all this going to go? The humor was balanced and the tone was completely correct for SW.
Likewise with RO. Now that was a movie I had reservations about as I thought the first trailers were poor. But Gilroy pulled it off. It’s a fantastic Star Wars movie.
So TLJ basically **** the bed in ever department - despite having some great moments.
Snokes death is great - despite being a bad move for the trilogy overall. That should have happened in the third movie after we had some development. Rey having no story - being a "no-one" - also a great moment - but one that makes her ultimately less interesting. And it felt like a check list of undoing the previous movies mysteries by the time it was revealed. Another “moment” that sacrificed the overall story.
But it’s the miss use of time and comedy and seriously questionable modern sensibilities that destroy TLJ.
Baby Rian had his own priorities with the movie - and they were misguided.
A lot of SW fans (almost everyone except for you and Khev
Disney know that - hence getting JJ back instead of another director who might do the same with the third episode. And topple the entire trilogy. You have to think long term here, not just on a year to year release - but how these movies will be regarded in 10 years from now as a trilogy - because as Hamill quite rightly points out - Disney will make these for years if they can.
And come on.. Luke tossing the Sabre over his shoulder in a comedy shot? The Sabre that belonged to his father, the Sabre that Obi-wan gave him? Comedy? There is no coherent explanation for this moment except to get a laugh - I'm talking about it's execution not concept.
If he wanted to reject his past he would have refused to take it, dropped it, handed it back to Rey.
Baby Rian doesn’t seem to understand that the shot he used breaks the reality of the camera of the world.
It’s a set up slapstick moment- these don’t happen in the real world it was audience aware. It was ****.
In world narrative verisimilitude is an integral part of SW. It's why the whole thing has lasted this long. A relatable myth and a story from the past, or future about good and evil.
Baby Rian broke that reality with conscious nods and winks to 2018 audiences for the sake of some comedy moments that either fell flat or got a reaction on first viewing. It's cheap.
And the Fathier sequence must be one of the most ill conceived sequences I've seen in a very long time. Nothing works. The VFX is awful for the most part - and it's not entertaining in anyway. Christ did you see the size of the sets and creature department work? Amazing, costly and all wasted.
Anyway...
Here's to you episode IX.. you have your work cut out for you.
It'll fall on deaf ears, but well said.
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Guys can hate TLJ all you want i’m going to go watch SW with Khev:
Khev you mind if I put on AOTC:
No. That’s completely untrue Jye. I really liked TFA. It was very flawed but set up some great new characters and storylines for a new trilogy.
I hate TLJ because it was cheesy slap-schtick. And it undid anything I liked about the first one. I didn’t have fan theories -because I expected the film makers and writers to come up with something much better - very exciting and unexpected as a second movie.
It was unexpected... unexpectedly bad.
The Force Awakens had Kylo talking to Vader’s spirit.. the helmet, the Knights of Ren, the mystery and masses of potential excitement. Can't wait to see where all that goes. Who the hell is the creepy Snoke? What does he want? Who are The First Order? Fantastic set-up. Driver nailed it - first great villain in a very long time.
We had a fantastic set-up for Rey - her sliding down the sand dunes with the new Williams score is one of my favorite SW moments. The flashbacks suggesting that she was going to have some serious reveals down the line. That her story was going to be so much more than we think. That's not fanboy speculation - that was in TFA. It was a narrative set-up to suggest a much bigger story.
We had Poe - super WWII style - brash hero - cheesy but great fun - the x-wings arriving and the Resistance theme.. and the seriously good duel in the forest between Rey and Kylo. It was raw and unchoreographed in nature - really great. Two untrained 'jedi' smashing at each other.
Where was all this going to go? The humor was balanced and the tone was completely correct for SW.
Likewise with RO. Now that was a movie I had reservations about as I thought the first trailers were poor. But Gilroy pulled it off. It’s a fantastic Star Wars movie.
So TLJ basically **** the bed in ever department - despite having some great moments.
Snokes death is great - despite being a bad move for the trilogy overall. That should have happened in the third movie after we had some development. Rey having no story - being a "no-one" - also a great moment - but one that makes her ultimately less interesting. And it felt like a check list of undoing the previous movies mysteries by the time it was revealed. Another “moment” that sacrificed the overall story.
But it’s the miss use of time and comedy and seriously questionable modern sensibilities that destroy TLJ.
Baby Rian had his own priorities with the movie - and they were misguided.
A lot of SW fans (almost everyone except for you and Khev
Disney know that - hence getting JJ back instead of another director who might do the same with the third episode. And topple the entire trilogy. You have to think long term here, not just on a year to year release - but how these movies will be regarded in 10 years from now as a trilogy - because as Hamill quite rightly points out - Disney will make these for years if they can.
And come on.. Luke tossing the Sabre over his shoulder in a comedy shot? The Sabre that belonged to his father, the Sabre that Obi-wan gave him? Comedy? There is no coherent explanation for this moment except to get a laugh - I'm talking about it's execution not concept.
If he wanted to reject his past he would have refused to take it, dropped it, handed it back to Rey.
Baby Rian doesn’t seem to understand that the shot he used breaks the reality of the camera of the world.
It’s a set up slapstick moment- these don’t happen in the real world it was audience aware. It was ****.
In world narrative verisimilitude is an integral part of SW. It's why the whole thing has lasted this long. A relatable myth and a story from the past, or future about good and evil.
Baby Rian broke that reality with conscious nods and winks to 2018 audiences for the sake of some comedy moments that either fell flat or got a reaction on first viewing. It's cheap.
And the Fathier sequence must be one of the most ill conceived sequences I've seen in a very long time. Nothing works. The VFX is awful for the most part - and it's not entertaining in anyway. Christ did you see the size of the sets and creature department work? Amazing, costly and all wasted.
Anyway...
Here's to you episode IX.. you have your work cut out for you.
No. That’s completely untrue Jye. I really liked TFA. It was very flawed but set up some great new characters and storylines for a new trilogy.
I hate TLJ because it was cheesy slap-schtick. And it undid anything I liked about the first one. I didn’t have fan theories -because I expected the film makers and writers to come up with something much better - very exciting and unexpected as a second movie.
It was unexpected... unexpectedly bad.
The Force Awakens had Kylo talking to Vader’s spirit.. the helmet, the Knights of Ren, the mystery and masses of potential excitement. Can't wait to see where all that goes. Who the hell is the creepy Snoke? What does he want? Who are The First Order? Fantastic set-up. Driver nailed it - first great villain in a very long time.
We had a fantastic set-up for Rey - her sliding down the sand dunes with the new Williams score is one of my favorite SW moments. The flashbacks suggesting that she was going to have some serious reveals down the line. That her story was going to be so much more than we think. That's not fanboy speculation - that was in TFA. It was a narrative set-up to suggest a much bigger story.
We had Poe - super WWII style - brash hero - cheesy but great fun - the x-wings arriving and the Resistance theme.. and the seriously good duel in the forest between Rey and Kylo. It was raw and unchoreographed in nature - really great. Two untrained 'jedi' smashing at each other.
Where was all this going to go? The humor was balanced and the tone was completely correct for SW.
Likewise with RO. Now that was a movie I had reservations about as I thought the first trailers were poor. But Gilroy pulled it off. It’s a fantastic Star Wars movie.
So TLJ basically **** the bed in ever department - despite having some great moments.
Snokes death is great - despite being a bad move for the trilogy overall. That should have happened in the third movie after we had some development. Rey having no story - being a "no-one" - also a great moment - but one that makes her ultimately less interesting. And it felt like a check list of undoing the previous movies mysteries by the time it was revealed. Another “moment” that sacrificed the overall story.
But it’s the miss use of time and comedy and seriously questionable modern sensibilities that destroy TLJ.
Baby Rian had his own priorities with the movie - and they were misguided.
A lot of SW fans (almost everyone except for you and Khev
Disney know that - hence getting JJ back instead of another director who might do the same with the third episode. And topple the entire trilogy. You have to think long term here, not just on a year to year release - but how these movies will be regarded in 10 years from now as a trilogy - because as Hamill quite rightly points out - Disney will make these for years if they can.
And come on.. Luke tossing the Sabre over his shoulder in a comedy shot? The Sabre that belonged to his father, the Sabre that Obi-wan gave him? Comedy? There is no coherent explanation for this moment except to get a laugh - I'm talking about it's execution not concept.
If he wanted to reject his past he would have refused to take it, dropped it, handed it back to Rey.
Baby Rian doesn’t seem to understand that the shot he used breaks the reality of the camera of the world.
It’s a set up slapstick moment- these don’t happen in the real world it was audience aware. It was ****.
In world narrative verisimilitude is an integral part of SW. It's why the whole thing has lasted this long. A relatable myth and a story from the past, or future about good and evil.
Baby Rian broke that reality with conscious nods and winks to 2018 audiences for the sake of some comedy moments that either fell flat or got a reaction on first viewing. It's cheap.
And the Fathier sequence must be one of the most ill conceived sequences I've seen in a very long time. Nothing works. The VFX is awful for the most part - and it's not entertaining in anyway. Christ did you see the size of the sets and creature department work? Amazing, costly and all wasted.
Anyway...
Here's to you episode IX.. you have your work cut out for you.
Couldn't have said it better myself. 
I honestly don't understand how people can defend it. Like it? Sure, I like some bad movies too. But I don't defend them and rather just laugh at them and myself for enjoying them. This isn't even laugh worthy. It ruined what could've been another good trilogy. Just sad.
A lot of SW fans (almost everyone except for you and Khev
No. That’s completely untrue Jye. I really liked TFA. It was very flawed but set up some great new characters and storylines for a new trilogy.
I hate TLJ because it was cheesy slap-schtick. And it undid anything I liked about the first one. I didn’t have fan theories -because I expected the film makers and writers to come up with something much better - very exciting and unexpected as a second movie.
It was unexpected... unexpectedly bad.
The Force Awakens had Kylo talking to Vader’s spirit.. the helmet, the Knights of Ren, the mystery and masses of potential excitement. Can't wait to see where all that goes. Who the hell is the creepy Snoke? What does he want? Who are The First Order? Fantastic set-up. Driver nailed it - first great villain in a very long time.
We had a fantastic set-up for Rey - her sliding down the sand dunes with the new Williams score is one of my favorite SW moments. The flashbacks suggesting that she was going to have some serious reveals down the line. That her story was going to be so much more than we think. That's not fanboy speculation - that was in TFA. It was a narrative set-up to suggest a much bigger story.
We had Poe - super WWII style - brash hero - cheesy but great fun - the x-wings arriving and the Resistance theme.. and the seriously good duel in the forest between Rey and Kylo. It was raw and unchoreographed in nature - really great. Two untrained 'jedi' smashing at each other.
Where was all this going to go? The humor was balanced and the tone was completely correct for SW.
Likewise with RO. Now that was a movie I had reservations about as I thought the first trailers were poor. But Gilroy pulled it off. It’s a fantastic Star Wars movie.
So TLJ basically **** the bed in ever department - despite having some great moments.
Snokes death is great - despite being a bad move for the trilogy overall. That should have happened in the third movie after we had some development. Rey having no story - being a "no-one" - also a great moment - but one that makes her ultimately less interesting. And it felt like a check list of undoing the previous movies mysteries by the time it was revealed. Another “moment” that sacrificed the overall story.
But it’s the miss use of time and comedy and seriously questionable modern sensibilities that destroy TLJ.
Baby Rian had his own priorities with the movie - and they were misguided.
A lot of SW fans (almost everyone except for you and Khev
Disney know that - hence getting JJ back instead of another director who might do the same with the third episode. And topple the entire trilogy. You have to think long term here, not just on a year to year release - but how these movies will be regarded in 10 years from now as a trilogy - because as Hamill quite rightly points out - Disney will make these for years if they can.
And come on.. Luke tossing the Sabre over his shoulder in a comedy shot? The Sabre that belonged to his father, the Sabre that Obi-wan gave him? Comedy? There is no coherent explanation for this moment except to get a laugh - I'm talking about it's execution not concept.
If he wanted to reject his past he would have refused to take it, dropped it, handed it back to Rey.
Baby Rian doesn’t seem to understand that the shot he used breaks the reality of the camera of the world.
It’s a set up slapstick moment- these don’t happen in the real world it was audience aware. It was ****.
In world narrative verisimilitude is an integral part of SW. It's why the whole thing has lasted this long. A relatable myth and a story from the past, or future about good and evil.
Baby Rian broke that reality with conscious nods and winks to 2018 audiences for the sake of some comedy moments that either fell flat or got a reaction on first viewing. It's cheap.
And the Fathier sequence must be one of the most ill conceived sequences I've seen in a very long time. Nothing works. The VFX is awful for the most part - and it's not entertaining in anyway. Christ did you see the size of the sets and creature department work? Amazing, costly and all wasted.
Anyway...
Here's to you episode IX.. you have your work cut out for you.
Comments like this always reveal that even the haters know that they don't have a leg to stand on:
Do you know how many times I've felt the need to claim that "most people agree with me that AOTC is bad" when discussing the movie with a PT fan? Yeah that would be never, lol. Or "you know most people think I'm right when I say that ESB is great." No one with valid points *ever* needs to say that.
ESB is great.
AOTC is awful.
TLJ is very good.
Those are all the *correct* opinions but feel free to circle the wagons and tell yourselves otherwise if that's what you need to hear.
I've never felt insulted by anyone simply not liking a movie. There are people here who look down on the SW OT or LOTR. So what. All great things have people who don't like them. What I do find amusing is watching those who are adamant about proving to everyone that their hatred for TLJ (or whatever else) is somehow "correct" and then back up their hatred with claims that are easily debunked.
It's a good movie with some great scenes. It is also a flawed film that contains various missed opportunities and even some head scratching choices. If you disagree than more power to you and to each his own. But I laugh at anyone who thinks that some scene by scene dissection will ever prove me wrong.
