Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

"Meant." Past tense. Did you listen to a single word that he said to Rey about what he had come to think of the Jedi and all they held dear...?

Again, I have no problem with Luke having a negative reaction to the lightsaber and rejecting it. It's how it was handled by Johnson. He chose to go for a cheap laugh rather than an emotional moment. I would have been just as annoyed as if Luke went the opposite route and took it from Rey then smiled and twirled and made wooshing noises like it was a toy in a kids hands as he exclaimed "wow" with joy and glee.

A whole movie and 2 years of waiting were built up for that moment. For Johnson to chuckle at the audience.

 

[Rorywan]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Your missing the point Luke did it as a comedy move. For camera. For SNL, for Monty Python.. for you Jye.
If he didn’t want to accept his heritage fine, if he wanted to forget both his father and Obi-wan - fine.

Covered all this in my way to long post earlier.

He threw the thing over his shoulders - it just needed a symbol crash. A little drum role and some canned laughter.
It was nonsensical. Unless you are someone who embraces the fromage.

 

[Rorywan]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Again, I have no problem with Luke having a negative reaction to the lightsaber and rejecting it. It's how it was handled by Johnson. He chose to go for a cheap laugh rather than an emotional moment. I would have been just as annoyed as if Luke went the opposite route and took it from Rey then smiled and twirled and made wooshing noises like it was a toy in a kids hands as he exclaimed "wow" with joy and glee.

A whole movie and 2 years of waiting were built up for that moment. For Johnson to chuckle at the audience.

This..

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Did his lightsaber need to be treated like a grail? No. But with some respect? Yes. He nearly gave his life trying to redeem his father. That lightsaber was a symbol for what he fought for and accomplished. Didn't Obi-Wan say to Anakin "This weapon is your life?" It sure was important to the Jedi during the reign of the Jedi Order. It was a right of passage and a test to prove one's self worthy.

And Luke threw the Saber away in ROTJ as refusal to comply with the Emperor in defiance that he will not kill his father nor replace him as the Emperor's apprentice. Not because he didn't care about it or what it represented. "Never. I'll never turn to the Dark Side. You have failed, your highness. I am a Jedi, like my father before me.". Being a Jedi meant something to him.

I’m happy you wrote that last paragraph.

Now take your last paragraph which was Luke showing the emperor he had no use for an item used in that manner so he tossed it aside AND now combine that to TLJ Luke who NOW feels that not only is the saber a problem in the hands of the Sith but ALSO in the hands of the Jedi.

Holy crap the movie title is THE LAST JEDI of course he’s throwing that saber away in THAT MANNER I mean c’mon guys really lol

The answer WHY is literally the title of the movie lol

The LIGHTSABER IS NONSENSICAL to Luke, the SITH AND JEDI are NONSENSICAL to Luke NOT his throw his throw made perfect sense!

Oh my head.

Khev pour me a cold Sams Adams i’m picking up the wings

 

[Chakor]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

"0.05$ have been deposited in your account"

t.Disney and Rian Johnson

 

[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I’m happy you wrote that last paragraph.

Now take your last paragraph which was Luke showing the emperor he had no use for an item used in that manner so he tossed it aside AND now combine that to TLJ Luke who NOW feels that not only is the saber a problem in the hands of the Sith but ALSO in the hands of the Jedi.

Holy crap the movie title is THE LAST JEDI of course he’s throwing that saber away in THAT MANNER I mean c’mon guys really lol

The answer WHY is literally the title of the movie lol

The LIGHTSABER IS NONSENSICAL to Luke, the SITH AND JEDI are NONSENSICAL to Luke NOT his throw his throw made perfect sense!

Oh my head.

Khev pour me a cold Sams Adams i’m picking up the wings

You fail to see the serious emotional impact of him tossing the lightsaber away in ROTJ. Yes it was a statement, but a serious one. He certainly couldn't have walked over and handed it to the Emperor. So he tossed it aside in defiance, not over his shoulder with a goofy you lose look on his face.

In TLJ he should've just handed it back to Rey and said "I have no need for this", or "this no longer has any meaning to me" something powerful, and then just walked away. Not performing an improv comedy sketch for a chuckle and a laugh. The music track was serious, so should've been the moment in the movie.

And then in your closing you prove my point to looking at Khev for his approval and trying to make everyone else feel dumb. Well, we feel the same.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

”Oh my head” should’ve been what tipped you off not beer and wings with Khev that’s just wishful thinking lol

Listen hate TLJ all you want but for the right reasons not because of fearing big nose ladies

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

The problem is from the get go, people who were vocal about not liking this movie were attacked by the Media, Johnson & all that "loved" the movie. Yourself & Jye included. You guys literally joked and laughed at the expense of those who were vocal about not liking it putting others on the defensive. It was like you were the cool kids and the "haters" were the losers. I don't think you even realized it. You were just as offended as the other side was.

So, many "haters" went into attack mode. I don't agree with that, but it was a fight or flight response. It can be pretty infuriating when people laugh at you about how you feel towards certain things. Dismissing your feelings as nonsense. Lots of people who are thought to be wrong are later vindicated as to be right.

Nah I've never said that *all* haters are losers. Some are cool. *Some.* Whether you're cool or not depends on how well-balanced and sensible your criticisms are.

 

[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

”Oh my head” should’ve been what tipped you off not beer wings with Khev that’s just wishful thinking lol

My head hurts too....

But I'd actually love to get some beer and wings with both you and Khev, and maybe I could finally make you two come to your senses. We could take a trip to Wakanda and have Shuri remove Kennedy & Johnson's brainwashing from your mind like she did for Bucky.

But something tells me I wouldn't be invited.....

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Again, I have no problem with Luke having a negative reaction to the lightsaber and rejecting it. It's how it was handled by Johnson. He chose to go for a cheap laugh rather than an emotional moment. I would have been just as annoyed as if Luke went the opposite route and took it from Rey then smiled and twirled and made wooshing noises like it was a toy in a kids hands as he exclaimed "wow" with joy and glee.

A whole movie and 2 years of waiting were built up for that moment. For Johnson to chuckle at the audience.

Yes the saber toss was a surprise comedic move. But Johnson had two and a half hours to hit those "emotional moments" that you wanted and he did so in spades.

I'm not saying that I agree with his decision in that moment but I do recognize that it *was* in-character and in sync with the rest of Luke's behavior on the island. And really the fact that I'm okay with it should be all the defense that that scene needs because I was fully prepared to disown TLJ if they screwed up Luke Skywalker.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

My head hurts too....

But I'd actually love to get some beer and wings with both you and Khev, and maybe I could finally make you two come to your senses. We could take a trip to Wakanda and have Shuri remove Kennedy & Johnson's brainwashing from your mind like she did for Bucky.

But something tells me I wouldn't be invited.....

Honestly there's not a single person here where if I bumped into them at a Celebration or somewhere in real life whose hand I wouldn't shake or with whom I wouldn't stop and talk shop about SW or whatever else. I know that others don't necessarily feel the same but that's always been my mindset no matter how heated discussions get over silly things like space movies.

 

[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Nah I've never said that *all* haters are losers. Some are cool. *Some.* Whether you're cool or not depends on how well-balanced and sensible your criticisms are.

Said, no, but implied.. maybe. Hmmmmm... Wonder which group I fit into?

 

[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yes the saber toss was a surprise comedic move. But Johnson had two and a half hours to hit those "emotional moments" that you wanted and he did so in spades.

I'm not saying that I agree with his decision in that moment but I do recognize that it *was* in-character and in sync with the rest of Luke's behavior on the island. And really the fact that I'm okay with it should be all the defense that that scene needs because I was fully prepared to disown TLJ if they screwed up Luke Skywalker.

But they did screw up Luke. Not in his downfall, but how it was handled. Make him give up and turn his back, fine. He didn't need to bring comedy into the movie. We already had Poe's Hux jokes and both Poe & Hux being turned into fools. And we also had Finn, Porgs, and poor Chewie for comic relief. Luke was not the character to do that to. Just like Kylo & Snoke, Luke should've been mostly serious throughout the movie.

It seems Rian tried to emulate "crazy" Yoda when Luke 1st meets him to parallel the meeting between Rey & Luke. It works in ESB cause we have no idea who Yoda is. We are introduced to an eccentric little creature, then shock, he's the great Jedi Master!!???? Rian tries the opposite and fails. Luke, the serious hero who defeated Vader & the Emperor and overthrew the Empire should not have turned into a joker.

We waited 30 years to see Luke back on the screen. I said it before. Imagine if JK Rowling sold Harry Potter to Disney. And then they make a movie 30 years later and Harry is now turned into a fool and joke worthy character like Luke was. And refuses to help Ron & Hermione fight Voldemort who has returned, because it doesn't matter. How do you think the obsessed Harry Potter fans would react? Probably even worse.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Said, no, but implied.. maybe. Hmmmmm... Wonder which group I fit into?

It fluctuates from post to post, lol.

But they did screw up Luke.

See now that's just wrong. And laughable.

I kid, I respectfully disagree (because I'm right.)

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

See I thought that Johnson was even throwing a bone to the ST haters with Luke's comedic bits.

Rey: "I don't think they like me."

Luke: "I can't imagine why..."

I always laugh at how Mark delivered that line and to me it's always sounded as if he's saying "someone doesn't like perfect Rey who can do everything, I can't imagine why..."

I would have thought that many of you would have gotten a kick out of that (if people weren't so hell-bent on hating everything.) It also reminds me of Richard Dreyfuss' last line in JAWS which I think is cool.

 

[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

See I thought that Johnson was even throwing a bone to the ST haters with Luke's comedic bits.

Rey: "I don't think they like me."

Luke: "I can't imagine why..."

I always laugh at how Mark delivered that line and to me it's always sounded as if he's saying "someone doesn't like perfect Rey who can do everything, I can't imagine why..."

I would have thought that many of you would have gotten a kick out of that (if people weren't so hell-bent on hating everything.) It also reminds me of Richard Dreyfuss' last line in JAWS which I think is cool.

Since when was Star Wars meant to be a scifi comedy? Way too many comedic bits in TLJ for my taste.

I must admit, I probably would need to watch it again to pick up on a lot of the little dialogue notes as you say. I'm sure in the moment of my disgust with the movie I tuned a lot of dialogue out just waiting for the movie to end already. Buuut... Nope, not gonna happen.

I'd actually be curious for myself to watch it again with a notepad and comment on every scene on whether I like it or what's wrong with it. But that would take up way too much of my time between pausing and then writing, and I'm not sure if I have a pen with enough ink to give it a go in one shot.....

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

See now here once again you're taking something small and running with it as if it's this offensively pervasive thing. "ZOMG Luke sed three funny things and throo away his litezaber!1! TLJ is a 170 minute Monty Python skecj!!" (Rorywan loves it when I do that, lol.)

Yes TLJ had humor and yes some bits went farther than any comedy had gone before in a SW movie ("Holding for Hugs," etc.) but no need to act as if that was the main tone of the entire film. ESB had comedic moments throughout but always knew when it was time to get serious and so did TLJ (yes IMO.)

I take the funny moments in TFA and TLJ as LFL simply injecting some much needed *fun* into these movies which the Saga had been lacking since 1983.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Luke Leia together was brutally heartbreaking to watch for sooo many reasons real and plot wise.

JJ keeping them separate in TFA made their reunion in TLJ that much more potent to experience, that forehead kiss elevated that to an epic emotional scene with zero humor.

Carries death obviously punctuated that to the extreme level but also Luke telling her he wasn’t there to save Kylo like he did their father only there to give spark to the resistance and be the beacon for her hope.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Luke Leia together was brutally heartbreaking to watch for sooo many reasons real and plot wise.

JJ keeping them separate in TFA made their reunion in TLJ that much more potent to experience, that forehead kiss elevated that to an epic emotional scene with zero humor.

Carries death obviously punctuated that to the extreme level but also Luke telling her he wasn’t there to save Kylo like he did their father only there to give spark to the resistance and be the beacon for her hope.

Yep and it's moments like that that will prevent me from ever disowning this movie no matter how questionable some of the other bits were just like I don't forsake Luke taking down Vader in ROTJ, the space battle, funeral pyre, etc., on account of the flat out *stupid* decision to play the death of the most badass bounty hunter in the universe as a freaking burp joke.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Which I might add Leia fully accepted, I loved that!

She of all people knew that hope required sacrifices from everyone from RO to Ackbar to Holdo to Luke to Han to herself.