Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I'll definitely be seeing Solo, I genuinely want it to be good and based on trailers I think it has a chance. Episode 9, doesn't matter at this point. 7 and 8 aren't part of my canon.

That's how I feel too... I don't remember ever saying I wasn't gonna see Solo, rather that I'm just not excited about it as I usually am with a new Star Wars movie. But because of TLJ I am torn over whether I want to see Solo exceed and outperform TLJ at the BO or crash and burn in Kennedy's face. But Disney has already put on a brave face expecting Solo to not be so strong with the audiences because of all the production problems it has openly publicized. And will be in denial that TLJ had anything to do with it. This is the 1st time a studio will be so openly outspoken about all the troubles behind the scenes even though they are throwing the Director, writers & actors under the bus. Anything to save face since "everyone" loves TLJ but the small band of vocal haters. And I'm sure Ron Howard won't be parading around defending his decisions for Solo like Johnson did for TLJ.

TLJ didn't take anything away from the original OT for me. But it did leave a small black stain on my soul.

Although I am afraid if Solo sucks it could hurt my feelings towards the OT too...

 

[Prime Clone]

Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Yes the saber toss was a surprise comedic move.

That’s all I was saying. Rejection of the saber was fine, it was just the over-the-top trivialising of it that jarred. It was obvious it was done for shock value alone. (At least he gave a few seconds of serious contemplation I guess)

The saber toss is a metaphor for the entire film: throwing out the Skywalker lineage. Just not so sure Luke would have really done it that lightly.

It was funny and unexpected the first time, but like the opening scene with Hux, doesn’t really hold up to sustained scrutiny.

I still haven’t decided whether disregarding so much of Abrams’ set-up was brave or simply a cop-out. I like TLJ as a stand-alone flick but it abdicates its responsibility as a middle-parter - to both its preceding and succeeding instalments.

 

[a-dev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

That's how I feel too... I don't remember ever saying I wasn't gonna see Solo, rather that I'm just not excited about it as I usually am with a new Star Wars movie. But because of TLJ I am torn over whether I want to see Solo exceed and outperform TLJ at the BO or crash and burn in Kennedy's face. But Disney has already put on a brave face expecting Solo to not be so strong with the audiences because of all the production problems it has openly publicized. And will be in denial that TLJ had anything to do with it. This is the 1st time a studio will be so openly outspoken about all the troubles behind the scenes even though they are throwing the Director, writers & actors under the bus. Anything to save face since "everyone" loves TLJ but the small band of vocal haters. And I'm sure Ron Howard won't be parading around defending his decisions for Solo like Johnson did for TLJ.

TLJ didn't take anything away from the original OT for me. But it did leave a small black stain on my soul.

Although I am afraid if Solo sucks it could hurt my feelings towards the OT too...

Nah, I don't think it could have that effect. If it's bad I'll just file it alongside....err, the majority of Star Wars films as an elseworlds tale.

I like TLJ as a stand-alone flick but it abdicates its responsibility as a middle-parter - to both its preceding and succeeding instalments.

Well put.

 

[JAWS]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Every single TLJ basher will be here next month hating on Solo the first week it's out. Every. Single. One.

And every single one of you will have some convenient story like "well the missus made me take her" or "I paid for DP2 then theater hopped..."

I dare any of you to even attempt to prove me wrong.

Of course TLJ haters will be there.. They will be there because they love SW... Its why they go on and on.. It's why the fans have gone on and on... Its why I have gone on and on... We all love SW. If this was some generic franchise we would not all be ignoring our loved ones just to post opinions to a bunch of strangers :LOL But we do because we love SW

I complained about TLJ because I love SW
I gave TLJ a chance because I love SW
I found some things to like about TLJ because I love SW.
I am still very frustrated with TLJ because I love SW


These feeling of being slighted come from wanting to have your feelings or opinions acknowledged. I have seen it from both sides here. I also think that sometimes we miss the fact that our opinions are acknowledged but because that acknowledgment is not agreement people still feel slighted somehow.


Everyone needs to remember that We love this franchise and so the heat gets raised a bit more then it will for the average film. I think because people love it so much they become protective of it and they have a hard time understanding how anyone could not agree with them. After all chances are we all love SW for the same reason so how can we see this film so differently??

But everyone needs to remember.. It is all about Opinions.. Even if Jye, Khev, and Junkion's opinion is wrong, its still theirs and they are entitled to it as much as the rest of us..

 

[Prime Clone]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

ESB is great.
AOTC is awful.
TLJ is very good.

RT and IMDb are the closest we have to objective analysis of what "everyone thinks".

RT puts AOTC 10 points ahead of TLJ (57 to 47), while IMDb puts TLJ ahead by 7 points (7.3 to 6.6). I tend to give more weight to IMDb because it's based on actual scores rather than overall "positive" or "negative".

Also, I'm not sure how long RT has reflected audience ratings, but it's possible it captured more knee-jerk negativity toward TLJ, whereas the AOTC ratings may have been retrospective and more considered.

 

[ironwez20]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Every single TLJ basher will be here next month hating on Solo the first week it's out. Every. Single. One.

And every single one of you will have some convenient story like "well the missus made me take her" or "I paid for DP2 then theater hopped..."

I dare any of you to even attempt to prove me wrong.

Have no interest in Han Solo . So nope.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

But everyone needs to remember.. It is all about Opinions.. Even if Jye, Khev, and Junkion's opinion is wrong, its still theirs and they are entitled to it as much as the rest of us..

Nope you're one of us now, no take backsies!

 

[Adolfo]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Jaws get out of that Saarlac pit!!!!!...Press the rocket booster button! !!!!

 

[crows]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

For all I know the hate for Solo will actually be justified and if so I'll just add it to the pile of bad prequels that already exists. But you guys will be there, you all know that you will. Heck you've *already* backpedaled and declared that you'll "probably" be seeing it.

 

[Chakor]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Every single TLJ basher will be here next month hating on Solo the first week it's out. Every. Single. One.

And every single one of you will have some convenient story like "well the missus made me take her" or "I paid for DP2 then theater hopped..."

I dare any of you to even attempt to prove me wrong.

Dirty confession, I've never seen a single SW film in theatres.

Not one.

And I'm planning on keeping it that way.

 

[Vault Boy]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

It fluctuates from post to post, lol.



See now that's just wrong. And laughable.

I kid, I respectfully disagree (because I'm right.)

Because you're right that they didn't screw up Luke? I can barely type the words. Your tolerance knows no bounds. It's just incredible.

 

[Prime Clone]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Okay, I guess I can buy the saber toss as an overcorrection of Luke's momentary lapse of resolve.

He *does* get briefly emotional, then snaps out of it. I guess the saber toss is his way of saying, "What was I thinking?", the equivalent of giving himself a slap upside the head.

(See, you can rationalize *anything* in Star Wars! And even if you didn't like how Luke behaved in TLJ, he redeems himself at the end)

But I *will* add:

Ewoks > Gungans > Rose > Porgs > Baby Groot

 

[crows]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

the saber toss was a representation of luke giving away his masculinity and rejecting his old male ways.

the saber itself is phallic in nature and when it grows it represents male sexual desire and sexual aggression, Thats is WHY there never was another female jedi,

The saber LITERALLY represents their manhood and their sexual desires.
All that blue milk made luke's body get rid of his testosterone and by now he might as well be an old woman.

That saber just reminded him of the testosterone he used to have and he hates it for it. he hates seeing the saber because luke has a non male mind now.

(that also goes to show you that Rey is not a regular woman either, she's trans jedi

 

[Prime Clone]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

That's crazy talk. Next you'll be saying Time Lords can spontaneously become Time Ladies!

 

[Vault Boy]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Every single TLJ basher will be here next month hating on Solo the first week it's out. Every. Single. One.

And every single one of you will have some convenient story like "well the missus made me take her" or "I paid for DP2 then theater hopped..."

I dare any of you to even attempt to prove me wrong.

With this assumption you can no longer use the amount of $$$ TLJ made as "proof" that it's a quality film. You're admitting right here that SW fans will watch these movies just because it's Star Wars. You've known this all a long. Lucasfilm will make a lot of $$$ off the name alone, regardless of the quality of the movies.

 

[crows]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

With this assumption you can no longer use the amount of $$$ TLJ made as "proof" that it's a quality film. You're admitting right here that SW fans will watch these movies just because it's Star Wars. You've known this all a long. Lucasfilm will make a lot of $$$ off the name alone, regardless of the quality of the movies.

HOLY CRAP

Khev is literally officially defeated, there is no coming back from this

I Didnt even realize the IMPLICATIONS from Khev's post, he is literally admitting that people will watch star wars even if it is the worst movie ever made.


how can khev ever recover.....
my condolences khev, you fought a good fight

 

[JAWS]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Nope you're one of us now, no take backsies!

Jaws get out of that Saarlac pit!!!!!...Press the rocket booster button! !!!!

 

[Vault Boy]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Lucasfilm Story Group revealed to be full of unqualified Hollywood failures and hacks. Some of them have no experience at all.



As for watching future SW films, I won't be rewarding Lucasfilm's vandalism. That's why we can't have nice things.

 

[JAWS]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I'll definitely be seeing Solo, I genuinely want it to be good and based on trailers I think it has a chance. Episode 9, doesn't matter at this point. 7 and 8 aren't part of my canon.

Yep.. I have to block them out and make them part of the fan fiction Universe.

 

[JAWS]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Interesting article.. I don't know how true and I don't know if its been posted.. I don't doubt it.. Now I am not a fan of Colin Trevorro but he probably is just as good as the other two.

https://scavengersholocron.com/category/home/did-colin-trevorrow-get-booted-because-of-rian-johnson/

The Endo of the article stated this which I don't remember but I am sure has been stated. I know I did not mind the direction Luke's story went but it would have been nice to get more of Luke and perhaps more of the Luke we all know and love. IDK.. I am not a fan of Ryan or Kennedy so I choose to believe this article

Last year, Mark Hamill expressed disagreement with Luke’s character, and Rian responded with, “We have to stop thinking about what the fans want. We have to focus on what we want.” Perhaps Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy could learn a thing or two from Colin after all.


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