Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

He did ultimately bring balance to the Force... after being evil for a long period. But ultimately he fulfilled his destiny.

Just like Dr Strange handing over the stone because in the end that act will allow all to be undone even if horrible things happen first.

 

[TaliBane]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

What's great about the Jedi "religion" is it has the same perk Christianity does - you can go crazy being Hitler (or Vader) for most of your adult life, but so long as you repent before you take your final breath, all is forgiven and you're set for the afterlife.

If anyone wants to bother to read a long investigation into the accuracy of Cinema Score, Rotten Tomatoes & IMDB as to the validity of their ratings.


https://www.jeditemplearchives.com/2018-05-01-cinemascore-rotten-tomatoes-and-imdb-an-investigation/

I have some concerns about an article that starts with the grammatically incorrect lead-in: "This article wants to investigate if various claims about Rotten Tomatoes and Cinemascore are true," and this is probably the third such article I've seen since January, but interested to read.

 

[TaliBane]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I wonder how things might have played out had Kennedy taken a more MCU-ish approach to the Saga. Instead of an entire *galaxy* that features ONE BIG BAD GUY and ONE GROUP OF BRAVE FREEDOM FIGHTERS they could have just had any number of compartmentalized planetary or even system-wide threats.

That way Luke could have been more of an "Odin" type character. A badass off on some world who is more of an overseer/administrator (of the new Jedi Order) that the lesser heroes sometimes cross paths with or seek help from. He could lay the smack down here or there from time to time but otherwise would be removed from the conflicts of the younger folks that LFL wanted to focus on.

I really enjoyed TFA and TLJ obviously but I definitely recognize that they severely limited themselves by putting every single egg of the current narrative right back into the Empire/Rebellion basket.

Interesting thought but the MCU has the huge benefit of us all being earthlings (like many of the MCU characters,) so our perspective has a "regional" or compartmentalized aspect built-in (other planets like ours that exist in the same galaxy as earth.)

So those movies will often go out into the universe, then pull back to earth - and both modes have stakes because we care about our home planet. SW has no connection to Earth at all (and presumably can't - right?,) so you kind of have to go huge in a 'big unknown galaxy" story to make us care. If its just the fate of a small part of an unknown setting (versus the whole of it) it's harder to get behind.

 

[crows]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

If anyone wants to bother to read a long investigation into the accuracy of Cinema Score, Rotten Tomatoes & IMDB as to the validity of their ratings.


https://www.jeditemplearchives.com/2018-05-01-cinemascore-rotten-tomatoes-and-imdb-an-investigation/

So, what does this all mean?

When it comes to predicting final box office, Cinemascore doesn’t give really accurate predictions. Your A+ movie with a box office multiple of 4.8 might end up with an actual multiple of 2.31, which means most people went to see your movie on the opening weekend and that after that the movie more or less quickly collapsed at the box office.

Also: both Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB are easily as good at predicting final box office based on user scores as Cinemascore. With a few caveats however, Cinemascore has its score on Friday night, whereas you should probably wait until Sunday night or so for IMDB and Rotten Tomatoes to have somewhat accurate scores. Also, IMDB and RT scores can still change considerably after the first weekend.

But it can be said with some confidence that the final user scores on Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB are as good or reliable as the Cinemascore. They are all not very good at predicting final box office.

Also, the much maligned Rotten Tomatoes Audience Score shows a good correlation with Cinemascore. Which may surprise some since the one is said to be scientific and the other not. But the correlation does exist and can’t be argued away. It seems the trolls and other basement dwelling fanboys said to manipulate the Rotten Tomatoes scores either do a very bad job, on average, or are only very few in numbers.

The takeway is that Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB are both as good or bad as Cinemascore when it’s about the user scores themselves and box office. Of course, Cinemascore also provides movie studios with a demographic breakdown which is quite important, and it’s a clear indicator if the marketing of the movie was successful and the trailers accurate and not misleading. So the service does absolutely have its uses but it would be wrong to put too much confidence in a Cinemascore and say “See, the movie has an “A” Cinemascore! Audiences love it!” Any other user score is as accurate at least in terms of box office success – on average, there will always be a few outliers.

Also, as said in the introduction, Cinemascore is not really about popularity, and more about a meeting of expectations.

Finally, The Last Jedi had a Cinemascore of A. But the actual box office multiple was 3.23 instead of 3.6. A 3.23 corresponds to a B+. Still not bad, but already considered somewhat of a disappointment. You could say it’s another sign the movie underperformed. The core audience on Friday night might have given the movie an A, but in the following weeks the movie didn’t have the legs it was predicted to have.

However: on average the Cinemascore “A” movies in my sample have an actual box office multiple of 3.18 (B+), but the standard deviation of 0.84 means the average score is more or less meaningless, since roughly 68% of all Cinemascore “A” movies will be between a 2.34 (a C-) and a 4.02 (an A). Your “A” movie could turn out to be pretty much anything. The Last Jedi’s actual box office multiple is absolutely normal and very close to the median multiple for A movies.

Well, I hope at least one or two people are still with me. I know this was a bit much, but I hope you can take away a few things from this very long article. User scores, no matter where they come from, are not really meaningful when predicting box office. And Rotten Tomatoes is as good at it as Cinemascore, the two are even correlated, which shows the Tomatometer based on audience scores is much better than its reputation, when you consider Cinemascore a highly scientific score.

 

[Ce Ilhuicamina]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

After Anakin and Palpatine made their move there were only 2 Jedi and 2 Sith left, seems pretty balanced to me.

 

[YoNoSe]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I wonder how things might have played out had Kennedy taken a more MCU-ish approach to the Saga. Instead of an entire *galaxy* that features ONE BIG BAD GUY and ONE GROUP OF BRAVE FREEDOM FIGHTERS they could have just had any number of compartmentalized planetary or even system-wide threats.

That way Luke could have been more of an "Odin" type character. A badass off on some world who is more of an overseer/administrator (of the new Jedi Order) that the lesser heroes sometimes cross paths with or seek help from. He could lay the smack down here or there from time to time but otherwise would be removed from the conflicts of the younger folks that LFL wanted to focus on.

I really enjoyed TFA and TLJ obviously but I definitely recognize that they severely limited themselves by putting every single egg of the current narrative right back into the Empire/Rebellion basket.

I will pass these thinks off as my own tomorrow when I hang out with my friends.

I’ve never considered it but oh man...

They could have slowly built up a new Sith threat ala Hydra...

You get my Fabuloso stamp.

 

[Vault Boy]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

He did ultimately bring balance to the Force... after being evil for a long period. But ultimately he fulfilled his destiny.

Just like Dr Strange handing over the stone because in the end that act will allow all to be undone even if horrible things happen first.

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I will pass these thinks off as my own tomorrow when I hang out with my friends.

I’ve never considered it but oh man...

They could have slowly built up a new Sith threat ala Hydra...

You get my Fabuloso stamp.

Lol, right on.

 

[Vault Boy]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

The possible leaked script reads like a chick flick. Baby daddy drama.

 

[xipotec]

Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

The possible leaked script reads like a chick flick. Baby daddy drama.

Internet leaks scripts are 100% wrong every time.

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[Vault Boy]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Not every time. One of TFA's leaks were legit.

 

[ironwez20]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

The possible leaked script reads like a chick flick. Baby daddy drama.

What is rey pregnant?

 

[Vault Boy]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

What is rey pregnant?

Spoiler

Rey and Kylo are said to fall in love and later Kylo finds out that Rey has a baby that's not his. He's devastated by it and his rage ensues, accordingly. Disfunctional Reylo it is. That Rey would get with Han Solo's killer should be unacceptable imo. Then again it would diminish her Mary Sueness.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Internet leaks scripts are 100% wrong every time.

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[Darth Snoopy]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

*snicker* Obi-Jaun

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

*snicker* Obi-Jaun

Ooooo snap.... Snoopy just did Juan better.

 

[Vault Boy]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Hmm. Maybe if I smoked a j I'd be giggling too. Oh wait. I did like an hour ago.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Ooooo snap.... Snoopy just did Juan better.

 

[TaliBane]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

What is rey pregnant?

Yeah... to Luke. Finding out Rey wasn't his daughter was the reverse of when he found out that Leia wasn't his sister.

 

[RavenEye]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Hmm. Maybe if I smoked a j I'd be giggling too. Oh wait. I did like an hour ago.

Did you just admit to smoking pot over the internet? Oh boy here come the boys in blue.