Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
I thought they set up interesting stuff with Rey in TFA and then deflated it in TLJ.
TLJ didn't do any of the characters any favors IMO. Everyone seemed to be dumbed down so they could learn or re-learn a lesson.
I thought they set up interesting stuff with Rey in TFA and then deflated it in TLJ.
TLJ didn't do any of the characters any favors IMO. Everyone seemed to be dumbed down so they could learn or re-learn a lesson.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
There is a huge difference in time between posting on a forum (about 2 minutes) and creating a Youtube channel with video , graphic and music.
They are not even close in production time.
I post here in the 2 minutes before a shift, on a break, or on other times when others would grab a cigarette or scarf down a bag of chips.
Try making a video in that time......
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There is a huge difference in time between posting on a forum (about 2 minutes) and creating a Youtube channel with video , graphic and music.
They are not even close in production time.
I post here in the 2 minutes before a shift, on a break, or on other times when others would grab a cigarette or scarf down a bag of chips.
Try making a video in that time......
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Had it not been for Obi-Wan telling Luke to use the force to blow up the death star Luke would’ve remained inefficient and missed the vent shaft and the Rebellion and Luke would’ve been wiped out.
Ok great it’s a masterpiece a perfect heroes journey story telling.
Why would I want the same exact carbon copy hero journey told again in the same SW universe with LUKE IN IT for crying out loud but now with an inefficient Rey requiring mentoring to be better!
If I want that particular story told AGAIN in the SW universe i’ll just go rewatch the masterpieces of ANH/ESB!
Boo Hoo Boo Hoo Rey’s journey is not like Luke’s he had to learn and suffer his way to the top.
I’m sorry but Luke’s journey in the SW universe will never be equaled so why bother making Rey be just a copy of Luke.
Her path is different and fine if you think less interesting but she shouldn’t just be a female Luke.
Had it not been for Obi-Wan telling Luke to use the force to blow up the death star Luke would’ve remained inefficient and missed the vent shaft and the Rebellion and Luke would’ve been wiped out.
Ok great it’s a masterpiece a perfect heroes journey story telling.
Why would I want the same exact carbon copy hero journey told again in the same SW universe with LUKE IN IT for crying out loud but now with an inefficient Rey requiring mentoring to be better!
If I want that particular story told AGAIN in the SW universe i’ll just go rewatch the masterpieces of ANH/ESB!
Boo Hoo Boo Hoo Rey’s journey is not like Luke’s he had to learn and suffer his way to the top.
I’m sorry but Luke’s journey in the SW universe will never be equaled so why bother making Rey be just a copy of Luke.
Her path is different and fine if you think less interesting but she shouldn’t just be a female Luke.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
I believe you. I've done the same on my break. Still doesn't necessarily make the guy or you a loser. Maybe he's like me. I'm a geek during the week and a stud on the weekends. I enjoy my alone time and then I go out or have company when I need a release. Haha. I'm 37. Single. No kids. Best of both worlds.
I believe you. I've done the same on my break. Still doesn't necessarily make the guy or you a loser. Maybe he's like me. I'm a geek during the week and a stud on the weekends. I enjoy my alone time and then I go out or have company when I need a release. Haha. I'm 37. Single. No kids. Best of both worlds.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Can’t believe you’re single.
Can’t believe you’re single.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
There does seem to be a correlation between those of us with kids being able to kick back and enjoy the fun of these movies moreso than those who don't have kids. A generalization yes because I know there are exceptions (a buddy of mine has kids close to the same age as mine and he hated TLJ) but for the most part it seems to be true.
Or maybe a lot of it just has to do with how content you are with life and/or films in general. I don't "need" anymore great SW films, I'm fine with SW and ESB being perfect and with RO and Solo being better films than ROTJ (IMO) I really am quite happy with SW old and new. Plus there are tons of alternatives that didn't exist during the OT like LOTR, MCU, etc., that again, no need to weep and wail if any new SW flick isn't the Second Coming all over again. TFA was a blast and enough of TLJ was great (Luke parts, throne room battle, Holdo suicide) that I really don't feel the need to sweat the bad stuff (though it's still fun to jump on the Rose/Canto Bight hate bandwagon from time to time, lol.)
There does seem to be a correlation between those of us with kids being able to kick back and enjoy the fun of these movies moreso than those who don't have kids. A generalization yes because I know there are exceptions (a buddy of mine has kids close to the same age as mine and he hated TLJ) but for the most part it seems to be true.
Or maybe a lot of it just has to do with how content you are with life and/or films in general. I don't "need" anymore great SW films, I'm fine with SW and ESB being perfect and with RO and Solo being better films than ROTJ (IMO) I really am quite happy with SW old and new. Plus there are tons of alternatives that didn't exist during the OT like LOTR, MCU, etc., that again, no need to weep and wail if any new SW flick isn't the Second Coming all over again. TFA was a blast and enough of TLJ was great (Luke parts, throne room battle, Holdo suicide) that I really don't feel the need to sweat the bad stuff (though it's still fun to jump on the Rose/Canto Bight hate bandwagon from time to time, lol.)
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jye4ever
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
This is true in my world. Having kids has shown me how to enjoy a film in their eyes, and not worry too much about obscure plot points that may not make much sense...its about the ride, not the mythos so much.
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This is true in my world. Having kids has shown me how to enjoy a film in their eyes, and not worry too much about obscure plot points that may not make much sense...its about the ride, not the mythos so much.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Great post! That's true with me too. No kids, but I'm at a point in my life (45!) where I just want to enjoy things. I can still *not* like movies, but I'm not going to dwell on that. There is plenty out there to move on to. I love TFA, TLJ and Solo and I think they are better than ROTJ and infinitely better than the prequels, so I'm really loving this new phase in the SW universe. The Marvel movies have mostly been excellent (like a 90% success rate in my eyes), which is something I never thought I'd ever see in my lifetime (Hell, I remember getting excited to see the big Green Goblin head on the truck in Maximum Overdrive! I was so starved to see any Marvel in the movies!). I'm very happy.
I was watching TLJ the other day and damn if I wasn't completely caught up in it all. My god, the feels I get when Rey realizes Ben isn't going to go good, and especially the "...but not to me." I'm getting misty eyed just thinking about that now!
Great post! That's true with me too. No kids, but I'm at a point in my life (45!) where I just want to enjoy things. I can still *not* like movies, but I'm not going to dwell on that. There is plenty out there to move on to. I love TFA, TLJ and Solo and I think they are better than ROTJ and infinitely better than the prequels, so I'm really loving this new phase in the SW universe. The Marvel movies have mostly been excellent (like a 90% success rate in my eyes), which is something I never thought I'd ever see in my lifetime (Hell, I remember getting excited to see the big Green Goblin head on the truck in Maximum Overdrive! I was so starved to see any Marvel in the movies!). I'm very happy.
I was watching TLJ the other day and damn if I wasn't completely caught up in it all. My god, the feels I get when Rey realizes Ben isn't going to go good, and especially the "...but not to me." I'm getting misty eyed just thinking about that now!
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
You have a scarcity mindset. Someone who doesn't have options would think this way.
You have a scarcity mindset. Someone who doesn't have options would think this way.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Or it could be as simple as people who like TLJ just have terrible taste in movies
Or it could be as simple as people who like TLJ just have terrible taste in movies
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Yeah I have to agree that even though I can easily concede that TLJ is a mixed bag I always find that things to complain about or pick apart only really come up after the fact when looking back at the film. Because when it's on I just find it so damn watchable. It all comes down to it just being executed really well even if a number of the narrative choices were/are suspect. Sure most of the military tactics suck but watching how well the space scenes and/or battles are filmed, acted, and edited I never really have a problem with what's on screen in real time.
And whenever something silly comes up like Rose or goofy casino patrons I always seem to blink and it's over and on to something cool again. I guess I just "get" the criticisms on an intellectual level but they never really ring true on a personal level as diminishing my enjoyment of the film whenever I watch it. Since it's on Netflix I love having it on in the background from time to time and often find myself surprised at how easily I get sucked into watching it again.
Yeah I have to agree that even though I can easily concede that TLJ is a mixed bag I always find that things to complain about or pick apart only really come up after the fact when looking back at the film. Because when it's on I just find it so damn watchable. It all comes down to it just being executed really well even if a number of the narrative choices were/are suspect. Sure most of the military tactics suck but watching how well the space scenes and/or battles are filmed, acted, and edited I never really have a problem with what's on screen in real time.
And whenever something silly comes up like Rose or goofy casino patrons I always seem to blink and it's over and on to something cool again. I guess I just "get" the criticisms on an intellectual level but they never really ring true on a personal level as diminishing my enjoyment of the film whenever I watch it. Since it's on Netflix I love having it on in the background from time to time and often find myself surprised at how easily I get sucked into watching it again.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
That's a really great point. Sure, I see where the criticisms come from, but I don't find those things as important or detrimental to the movie as it plays out. Many of those criticisms are just movie tropes that one just comes to accept, or things that we've seen in other characters or situations within the SW saga. We as defenders of the movie ask why was it acceptable with X and not with Y.
It's very easy for me to get caught up in the movie too, and as the movie builds up to the climax, I am always in awe of how invested I am with the characters and with what happens to them and always have to wonder how others cannot get caught up in it as well.
That's a really great point. Sure, I see where the criticisms come from, but I don't find those things as important or detrimental to the movie as it plays out. Many of those criticisms are just movie tropes that one just comes to accept, or things that we've seen in other characters or situations within the SW saga. We as defenders of the movie ask why was it acceptable with X and not with Y.
It's very easy for me to get caught up in the movie too, and as the movie builds up to the climax, I am always in awe of how invested I am with the characters and with what happens to them and always have to wonder how others cannot get caught up in it as well.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
I see it much the same way. Everyone seems to want to toss around the phrase "ruined Star Wars" for movies they don't like, but ANH and ESB are what really ruined Star Wars. There will never be another SW movie as good as those two. And that's fine! For me, every entry in the franchise that is a well-made film is something I'm grateful for. When they don't measure up to that standard (the PT, imo), then I trash them. But when they do, I don't sweat that they're not as good as the first two. ROTJ suffers from the impossible standard set by ANH and ESB. Some people like to treat ROTJ as if it was an embarrassing film. It wasn't. Not even close. It just wasn't ANH/ESB. But look at all of the iconic moments that ROTJ contributed to the saga:
Yeah, the Ewoks were a deeply regrettable choice. And yes, there were some other wtf cringey moments. But if it wasn't for the flawlessness of the two movies that came before it, ROTJ would be looked at much differently.
Regrettable instances (or characters) are gonna be a part of SW movies, and that's just something I expect going in. But as long as there are some truly iconic/great moments, and a generally well-made film (acting, directing, effects, dialogue, etc,), then I can consider it a great SW movie. To me, ROTJ is a great SW movie; it's just not in the same league as ANH and ESB. For the same reasons, I also consider TLJ a great SW movie (even though far from perfect). TLJ gave me the following iconic scenes in a generally well-made film:
Just like I can forgive Ewoks and some other silliness in ROTJ, I can forgive Canto Bight and some epic silliness in TLJ. Both films delivered great/iconic Star Wars moments that I won't forget. As good as Rogue One was, there were only 3 or 4 iconic moments in it for me. And as much as I enjoyed TFA, the high points weren't as plentiful as ROTJ and TLJ (even though I admit that the low points in TFA weren't as low as in the other two).
I don't expect perfection from SW films. ANH and ESB are never going to be equaled, and that's fine. But I think great SW movies are getting crapped on for their low points while ignoring how much iconic and great content they provided. These movies don't need to be Citizen Kane; I think they just need to be worthy additions to the saga by being generally well made, and providing new cool moments to remember.
Like the 91% of professional film critics? Y'know, the people who watch more movies than virtually anyone else, and who make a living scrutinizing them? Oh wait, I forgot . . . they're just Disney shills (even though they didn't shill for Solo with nearly as much praise).
Maybe like the people who take film seriously enough to hold highly-regarded award votes and presentations? Like the Empire awards (Best Film and Best Director), or the Saturn Awards (Best Writing). Oh wait, I forgot . . . those are all just political.
Okay fine, those of us who like TLJ just have no clue. Please try to have mercy on us, our bad taste, and our puny little brains that can't even recognize it.
I see it much the same way. Everyone seems to want to toss around the phrase "ruined Star Wars" for movies they don't like, but ANH and ESB are what really ruined Star Wars. There will never be another SW movie as good as those two. And that's fine! For me, every entry in the franchise that is a well-made film is something I'm grateful for. When they don't measure up to that standard (the PT, imo), then I trash them. But when they do, I don't sweat that they're not as good as the first two. ROTJ suffers from the impossible standard set by ANH and ESB. Some people like to treat ROTJ as if it was an embarrassing film. It wasn't. Not even close. It just wasn't ANH/ESB. But look at all of the iconic moments that ROTJ contributed to the saga:
- Defrosting Han (Boushh reveal)
- Luke versus the Rancor
- The skiff battle
- Leia killing Jabba like a boss
- Yoda's last words
- The throne room LS battle
- Palps' lightning
- Lando's DS run
- Vader being unmasked
- Luke getting the 3-ghost nod of approval
Yeah, the Ewoks were a deeply regrettable choice. And yes, there were some other wtf cringey moments. But if it wasn't for the flawlessness of the two movies that came before it, ROTJ would be looked at much differently.
Regrettable instances (or characters) are gonna be a part of SW movies, and that's just something I expect going in. But as long as there are some truly iconic/great moments, and a generally well-made film (acting, directing, effects, dialogue, etc,), then I can consider it a great SW movie. To me, ROTJ is a great SW movie; it's just not in the same league as ANH and ESB. For the same reasons, I also consider TLJ a great SW movie (even though far from perfect). TLJ gave me the following iconic scenes in a generally well-made film:
- Holdo's hyperspace manuever
- Luke and R2-D2 on the Falcon
- Luke and Yoda on Ahch-To
- Luke's projection on Crait
- Kylo's killing of Snoke
- Rey and Kylo teaming up
- Rey suspending all those rocks
- Luke dying while gazing at twin suns
Just like I can forgive Ewoks and some other silliness in ROTJ, I can forgive Canto Bight and some epic silliness in TLJ. Both films delivered great/iconic Star Wars moments that I won't forget. As good as Rogue One was, there were only 3 or 4 iconic moments in it for me. And as much as I enjoyed TFA, the high points weren't as plentiful as ROTJ and TLJ (even though I admit that the low points in TFA weren't as low as in the other two).
I don't expect perfection from SW films. ANH and ESB are never going to be equaled, and that's fine. But I think great SW movies are getting crapped on for their low points while ignoring how much iconic and great content they provided. These movies don't need to be Citizen Kane; I think they just need to be worthy additions to the saga by being generally well made, and providing new cool moments to remember.
Or it could be as simple as people who like TLJ just have terrible taste in movies
Like the 91% of professional film critics? Y'know, the people who watch more movies than virtually anyone else, and who make a living scrutinizing them? Oh wait, I forgot . . . they're just Disney shills (even though they didn't shill for Solo with nearly as much praise).
Maybe like the people who take film seriously enough to hold highly-regarded award votes and presentations? Like the Empire awards (Best Film and Best Director), or the Saturn Awards (Best Writing). Oh wait, I forgot . . . those are all just political.
Okay fine, those of us who like TLJ just have no clue. Please try to have mercy on us, our bad taste, and our puny little brains that can't even recognize it.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
I have kids, and that's why I've learned to appreciate the PT movies even more. Watching them with my kids for the 1st time and seeing their reactions said it all. While my son prefers the OT movies, his favorite characters are from the PT. He grew up on the Clone Wars cartoon after all. I enjoyed the PT movies when they were released. Was never a hater. Yes, they could've been better, but the characters and vehicles introduced are just as cool and epic as the OT stuff. It still felt like Star Wars to me.
So it's confusing to me how those with kids can like TFA, TLJ, and Solo, yet still be PT haters. The only Disney movie that feels right to me is RO. Say what you will about Gareth Edwards and the rumors about production woes, but he is undoubtedly a Star Wars fan, and understood what makes a Star Wars movie a Star Wars movie. I can't say that about any of the other Disney offerings. They are trying too hard. Trying to make a movie for everyone other than it's core fans for the past 40+ years. That in itself is a recipe for disaster. As seen with TLJ and Solo. Whether you liked them or not, polarizing the audience is NOT a good thing. Sorry Rian, your an idiot. And Kennedy, your message should've been "The Force is For Everyone", rather than your "The Force is Female" battlecry.
I have kids, and that's why I've learned to appreciate the PT movies even more. Watching them with my kids for the 1st time and seeing their reactions said it all. While my son prefers the OT movies, his favorite characters are from the PT. He grew up on the Clone Wars cartoon after all. I enjoyed the PT movies when they were released. Was never a hater. Yes, they could've been better, but the characters and vehicles introduced are just as cool and epic as the OT stuff. It still felt like Star Wars to me.
So it's confusing to me how those with kids can like TFA, TLJ, and Solo, yet still be PT haters. The only Disney movie that feels right to me is RO. Say what you will about Gareth Edwards and the rumors about production woes, but he is undoubtedly a Star Wars fan, and understood what makes a Star Wars movie a Star Wars movie. I can't say that about any of the other Disney offerings. They are trying too hard. Trying to make a movie for everyone other than it's core fans for the past 40+ years. That in itself is a recipe for disaster. As seen with TLJ and Solo. Whether you liked them or not, polarizing the audience is NOT a good thing. Sorry Rian, your an idiot. And Kennedy, your message should've been "The Force is For Everyone", rather than your "The Force is Female" battlecry.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
I would say its the age of the child when they see the SW universe.
Most of us were in the impressionable 6-10 with OT.
Kids at that age for PT would likely love it.
My kids, like them alright, but they like making fun of it more. Dare I say that they know the meme better than the films. They didnt see PT until they were older.
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I would say its the age of the child when they see the SW universe.
Most of us were in the impressionable 6-10 with OT.
Kids at that age for PT would likely love it.
My kids, like them alright, but they like making fun of it more. Dare I say that they know the meme better than the films. They didnt see PT until they were older.
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