Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Yes but this highlights the major failing of the SW fanbase, and is a perfect example of why there will never be a great SW film ever again.
Many fans want things spoon fed to them and explained to the tenth degree. They go used to this after Lucas kept ‘splaining every single characters story (and that of his/her extended family.)
Nothing is taken on faith or artistic license with SW any longer...SW fans turned into Trekkies , and now need real world explanation that work in physics or somehow connect to everything else.
I firmly believe the same thing happened to BR2049. The masses didnt like that they had to piece the nuances together themselves, and THINK about what they saw. They wanted it all spelled out in easy to digest format. God forbid you have to come up with your own explanations for why the lightsaber called to Rey, or what the dark cave scene in TLJ meant for the character. (I have my own theories on that).
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Yes but this highlights the major failing of the SW fanbase, and is a perfect example of why there will never be a great SW film ever again.
Many fans want things spoon fed to them and explained to the tenth degree. They go used to this after Lucas kept ‘splaining every single characters story (and that of his/her extended family.)
Nothing is taken on faith or artistic license with SW any longer...SW fans turned into Trekkies , and now need real world explanation that work in physics or somehow connect to everything else.
I firmly believe the same thing happened to BR2049. The masses didnt like that they had to piece the nuances together themselves, and THINK about what they saw. They wanted it all spelled out in easy to digest format. God forbid you have to come up with your own explanations for why the lightsaber called to Rey, or what the dark cave scene in TLJ meant for the character. (I have my own theories on that).
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
My only distaste from BR2049 was the fact hollywood was kind of pushing their agenda with climate change, the whole blackout plot was ridiculous, i like the dark noir of the first and with them making everything grandiose with the barren wasteland was different but not to my taste.
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My only distaste from BR2049 was the fact hollywood was kind of pushing their agenda with climate change, the whole blackout plot was ridiculous, i like the dark noir of the first and with them making everything grandiose with the barren wasteland was different but not to my taste.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Why does it have to be an agenda? Not everything we see is because of some secret cabal trying to influence our minds?
I mean if an asteroid hit somewhere in the world and made the BR2049 universe happen , would that be a plot by astronomers to get funding? The future that was portrayed in the original BR was leaning very heavy on over population and decimation of resources as the main reason humanity was leaving earth.
Thats not climate change.....I saw nothing in BR2049 that suggested climate change was to blame for the state of things.......we were told a dirty bomb took out Vegas, and that pollution was a huge problem.
Thats all....
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Why does it have to be an agenda? Not everything we see is because of some secret cabal trying to influence our minds?
I mean if an asteroid hit somewhere in the world and made the BR2049 universe happen , would that be a plot by astronomers to get funding? The future that was portrayed in the original BR was leaning very heavy on over population and decimation of resources as the main reason humanity was leaving earth.
Thats not climate change.....I saw nothing in BR2049 that suggested climate change was to blame for the state of things.......we were told a dirty bomb took out Vegas, and that pollution was a huge problem.
Thats all....
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
I thought BR2049 was too predictable.
I thought BR2049 was too predictable.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
I was laughing at the “Dolby Stereo” in that Aliens trailer you posted.
Today people have Atmos in their spare playrooms
I was laughing at the “Dolby Stereo” in that Aliens trailer you posted.
Today people have Atmos in their spare playrooms
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Sorry to say it Khev but Clown is not entirely wrong here but you can take solace knowing that since SW even the OT means nothing to Clown that his opinion means squat to you lol.
Sorry to say it Khev but Clown is not entirely wrong here but you can take solace knowing that since SW even the OT means nothing to Clown that his opinion means squat to you lol.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
I thought is was GOING to be predictable.....
But I find it hard to believe anyone could have called the Dream Maker girl was the actual child of Deckard and Rachael...
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I thought is was GOING to be predictable.....
But I find it hard to believe anyone could have called the Dream Maker girl was the actual child of Deckard and Rachael...
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
I kind of did, but I was hoping I was wrong. She was the only other character in the movie, and the fact that she was in the special room didn't help either.
I kind of did, but I was hoping I was wrong. She was the only other character in the movie, and the fact that she was in the special room didn't help either.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
The genius of BR2049 isn't in reliance on twists and turns (though I don't believe for a second that anyone could have guessed them all,) it's all about being drawn into the atmosphere of the setting and empathizing with its characters. Of course we know that K is going to find the wooden horse in the furnace, but the moment is masterfully drawn out minute after minute allowing us to process the finding in real time right along with K.
Likewise we also knew that Joi's request to be unplugged would be her end, and that was when the heartbreak began. Every moment from that point on you can't help but somehow *wish* that she'll avoid the inevitable even though you're braced for the exact opposite. When the moment finally happens it creates a noticeable void in the film that you experience right along with K. And you experience these emotions all while intellectualizing and theorizing just what level of "feeling" that K or Joi were capable of in the first place. Those are layers of brilliance that don't come along very often.
It is definitely not for everyone and there's no shame in being turned off by the whole thing but as far as I'm concerned it's a true genre masterpiece the likes of which we haven't seen since FOTR.
The genius of BR2049 isn't in reliance on twists and turns (though I don't believe for a second that anyone could have guessed them all,) it's all about being drawn into the atmosphere of the setting and empathizing with its characters. Of course we know that K is going to find the wooden horse in the furnace, but the moment is masterfully drawn out minute after minute allowing us to process the finding in real time right along with K.
Likewise we also knew that Joi's request to be unplugged would be her end, and that was when the heartbreak began. Every moment from that point on you can't help but somehow *wish* that she'll avoid the inevitable even though you're braced for the exact opposite. When the moment finally happens it creates a noticeable void in the film that you experience right along with K. And you experience these emotions all while intellectualizing and theorizing just what level of "feeling" that K or Joi were capable of in the first place. Those are layers of brilliance that don't come along very often.
It is definitely not for everyone and there's no shame in being turned off by the whole thing but as far as I'm concerned it's a true genre masterpiece the likes of which we haven't seen since FOTR.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
There was more than one?
I agree with the rest. It's a pretty looking movie, like the first film.
There was more than one?
I agree with the rest. It's a pretty looking movie, like the first film.
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Of course. Rachael having a child was a pretty big twist from the get go. I was surprised to see adult 1982 Rachael make an appearance as well. It also wasn't a foregone conclusion that K would die and that Wallace would survive, which were complete opposites of the respective fates of Deckard and Tyrell in the first film.
So while you can claim that you anticipated the identity of Deckard's child before it was "officially" revealed I think you're amiss in stating that the entire film as a whole was "too predictable." That makes it sound like you guessed an M. Night Shyamalan-level twist in the opening scene or something or that it was like Aquaman which flowed from scene to scene start to finish in predictable fashion.
There was more than one?
Of course. Rachael having a child was a pretty big twist from the get go. I was surprised to see adult 1982 Rachael make an appearance as well. It also wasn't a foregone conclusion that K would die and that Wallace would survive, which were complete opposites of the respective fates of Deckard and Tyrell in the first film.
So while you can claim that you anticipated the identity of Deckard's child before it was "officially" revealed I think you're amiss in stating that the entire film as a whole was "too predictable." That makes it sound like you guessed an M. Night Shyamalan-level twist in the opening scene or something or that it was like Aquaman which flowed from scene to scene start to finish in predictable fashion.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Really? Maybe it was knowing that Ford was in it, but I wasn't suprised by it. The only thing in the beginning that I wasn't expecting was K being a robot. I thought he was human. Once the search for the child plot begins, I thought, okay, I hope it's not K, then he meets the girl and I was like, it's probably her...either way, I felt like I was ahead of the story while watching it, and that's never a good thing when you're watching a detective story. It was like the pace of the film was moving too slowly even though, not much was being said or revealed. I dont think Ford should have been in any of the trailers or marketing...that might have made my experience better, because that way, the child's identity would truly be a mystery worth discovering.
Not much happens in it as far as the plot tho. All the characters are going after the child, and K is in the middle of it thinking it's him. Aside from the visuals and the world, I thought it was underwhelming. Maybe it was the trailers or my own expectations for the film, but it just didn't lived up to the hype.
I think TLJ was better
Really? Maybe it was knowing that Ford was in it, but I wasn't suprised by it. The only thing in the beginning that I wasn't expecting was K being a robot. I thought he was human. Once the search for the child plot begins, I thought, okay, I hope it's not K, then he meets the girl and I was like, it's probably her...either way, I felt like I was ahead of the story while watching it, and that's never a good thing when you're watching a detective story. It was like the pace of the film was moving too slowly even though, not much was being said or revealed. I dont think Ford should have been in any of the trailers or marketing...that might have made my experience better, because that way, the child's identity would truly be a mystery worth discovering.
Not much happens in it as far as the plot tho. All the characters are going after the child, and K is in the middle of it thinking it's him. Aside from the visuals and the world, I thought it was underwhelming. Maybe it was the trailers or my own expectations for the film, but it just didn't lived up to the hype.
I think TLJ was better
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Which was exactly the point where the movie lost my interest....the very first "flashback" of that damn wooden horse. It's not riveting, exciting, or novel. It's BORING. It's HACK. It's CLICHE.
The movie's plot was slow as a snail and dull as dishwater. And it wasted all that gorgeous atmosphere. I don't need to be led by hand and dragged "minute by minute" down a path with a brooding, serious main character, especially when I already know exactly where it's going cause I've seen ever sci-fi movie ever.
BR2049 looked amazing. It looked and sounded so insanely good. And they wasted it on another played out hackneyed cliche mystery with snippets of flashbacks and the same old tropes of "What makes a robot/the soul "real?" that every single sci-fi movie has done to death.
The movie is like a beautiful girl who's an idiot. Yeah, she's amazing to look at, but you don't want to talk to her or spend any time with her.
Which was exactly the point where the movie lost my interest....the very first "flashback" of that damn wooden horse. It's not riveting, exciting, or novel. It's BORING. It's HACK. It's CLICHE.
The movie's plot was slow as a snail and dull as dishwater. And it wasted all that gorgeous atmosphere. I don't need to be led by hand and dragged "minute by minute" down a path with a brooding, serious main character, especially when I already know exactly where it's going cause I've seen ever sci-fi movie ever.
BR2049 looked amazing. It looked and sounded so insanely good. And they wasted it on another played out hackneyed cliche mystery with snippets of flashbacks and the same old tropes of "What makes a robot/the soul "real?" that every single sci-fi movie has done to death.
The movie is like a beautiful girl who's an idiot. Yeah, she's amazing to look at, but you don't want to talk to her or spend any time with her.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
I think TLJ was better
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Ford in TFA >>> Ford in BR 2049 (the nikka didn't even want to wear a costume...just wore his weekend clothes)
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Ford in TFA >>> Ford in BR 2049 (the nikka didn't even want to wear a costume...just wore his weekend clothes)
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Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
Wow, I couldn’t disagree more.....while I can understand that people might guess Joes origin would be in question, the final outcome was very surprising to me. He essentially went full circle from Blade Runner to protector. Its my favorite film of the past several years because it is the best story of “what makes us real” thats been done.....short of books.
Ex Machina, I robot , pale in comparison.
Well some folks like apples some dont.
Some like BVsS some dont
Some like TLJ some dont.
I personally LOVED the slow burn aspects of the film, much moreso than then constant adrenaline films we get these days. The pacing reminded me of The Godfather in ways. I am personally a little tired of the “one up” action sequence attempts we get every new film.
Last good action sequence for me was Civil War , Bucky’s capture.....
And of course Fury Road...
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Wow, I couldn’t disagree more.....while I can understand that people might guess Joes origin would be in question, the final outcome was very surprising to me. He essentially went full circle from Blade Runner to protector. Its my favorite film of the past several years because it is the best story of “what makes us real” thats been done.....short of books.
Ex Machina, I robot , pale in comparison.
Well some folks like apples some dont.
Some like BVsS some dont
Some like TLJ some dont.
I personally LOVED the slow burn aspects of the film, much moreso than then constant adrenaline films we get these days. The pacing reminded me of The Godfather in ways. I am personally a little tired of the “one up” action sequence attempts we get every new film.
Last good action sequence for me was Civil War , Bucky’s capture.....
And of course Fury Road...
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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
I like a slow burn when it's done well. I like long, introspective movies, when they're done well.
It's like you said; we all like different stuff.
I absolutely loved "The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford" and I've watched it several times, and other people thought it was too boring and slow to get through even once.
I thought "Gone Girl" was a fantastically paced mystery that didn't telegraph the ending at all, of course, that had the advantage of being a novel first.
But then I remember people raving about "Manchester By the Sea" and I thought it was the most boring, dull, navel-gazing trash I'd seen in years.
But a similar movie from 2001, called "In The Bedroom" I consider a masterpiece.
I think it's funny that TLJ and BR2049 seem to be the two most divisive movies on this forum. I disliked both, but TLJ was just utter excrement without a single saving grace to me, whereas I could at least see the artistry in 2049. I just yawned my ass off at the retread, well-worn plot. I'd love to spend more time in that world, just give me a plot with more substance, please!
I like a slow burn when it's done well. I like long, introspective movies, when they're done well.
It's like you said; we all like different stuff.
I absolutely loved "The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford" and I've watched it several times, and other people thought it was too boring and slow to get through even once.
I thought "Gone Girl" was a fantastically paced mystery that didn't telegraph the ending at all, of course, that had the advantage of being a novel first.
But then I remember people raving about "Manchester By the Sea" and I thought it was the most boring, dull, navel-gazing trash I'd seen in years.
But a similar movie from 2001, called "In The Bedroom" I consider a masterpiece.
I think it's funny that TLJ and BR2049 seem to be the two most divisive movies on this forum. I disliked both, but TLJ was just utter excrement without a single saving grace to me, whereas I could at least see the artistry in 2049. I just yawned my ass off at the retread, well-worn plot. I'd love to spend more time in that world, just give me a plot with more substance, please!
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019
I agree that Deckard's outfit in 2049 was a bit 2018. But that's about as negative as I'll be about the film, I love it. I've probably watched about 5 or 6 times now.
I agree that Deckard's outfit in 2049 was a bit 2018. But that's about as negative as I'll be about the film, I love it. I've probably watched about 5 or 6 times now.
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