Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[jye4ever]

She looks zoned out.


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[YoNoSe]

I bet George directed that shot. She was on a green stage in a green onesy.

 

[jye4ever]

Ob that?s right I keep forgetting that GL is directing one shot.

I?m sure it will be the last closing shot of the movie as a ceremonial respectful thing for Lucas to close the Skywalker saga.


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[a-dev]

He probably didn't even want to bother. He's not a ST fan either is the impression I get. They are not in his personal canon

 

[rushmore223]

He probably didn't even want to bother. He's not a ST fan either is the impression I get. They are not in his personal canon [emoji38]

He's bored, he keeps wandering onto other people's sets, looking for scenes to ruin, I mean direct.

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[ajp4mgs]

I highly doubt she is a clone nonetheless it?s pretty bizarre that they went and revealed that in a trailer so something else is going on there.

But if she is a clone that would not bother me either as i?ve always had an affinity towards Star Wars being attached to cloning ever since hearing Obi-Wan mutter those mysterious words when I was an impressionable 10 year old.

I don't mind the concept of clones in SW; especially with "clone wars" being literally a war using cloned soldiers. But if one of the main protagonists is a clone, I've got a major problem with that because it cheapens the character for me. By definition, there's nothing uniquely special about a clone - someone created specifically to be a *copy* of someone else.

This is going to be a stupid analogy, but think about it like a diamond. A huge diamond would be incredibly valuable when it's a naturally-occurring stone. But if an identical-looking stone was created in a lab, it'd be far less valuable.

If a clone hero dies in a movie, it's kinda like "oh well, there can be another one." Much like time travel, it cheapens the stakes. With time travel, anything catastrophic that happens anymore in that movie universe can be considered less dramatic/urgent because you can conceivably just go back and change things to prevent it from happening.

Clone reveals and time travel are devices that I consider "gimmicks" in storytelling. I'd like SW to keep the gimmicks to a minimum. If Luke or Han were revealed to have been clones, I'd hate it. Even though I care far less about Rey, I'd still hate it if they reveal her to be a clone.

 

[YoNoSe]

Wait until it turns out Rise is just the plural of Rose.

 

[jye4ever]

I don't mind the concept of clones in SW; especially with "clone wars" being literally a war using cloned soldiers. But if one of the main protagonists is a clone, I've got a major problem with that because it cheapens the character for me. By definition, there's nothing uniquely special about a clone - someone created specifically to be a *copy* of someone else.

This is going to be a stupid analogy, but think about it like a diamond. A huge diamond would be incredibly valuable when it's a naturally-occurring stone. But if an identical-looking stone was created in a lab, it'd be far less valuable.

If a clone hero dies in a movie, it's kinda like "oh well, there can be another one." Much like time travel, it cheapens the stakes. With time travel, anything catastrophic that happens anymore in that movie universe can be considered less dramatic/urgent because you can conceivably just go back and change things to prevent it from happening.

Clone reveals and time travel are devices that I consider "gimmicks" in storytelling. I'd like SW to keep the gimmicks to a minimum. If Luke or Han were revealed to have been clones, I'd hate it. Even though I care far less about Rey, I'd still hate it if they reveal her to be a clone.

Fair enough you?re not wrong it would require really delicate handling to not destroy the character arc within that established narrative.

Going to be very interesting to see how the Vader reveal will play into all of this within the larger context of force ghosts and cloning.

ajp all i?m saying is that you better...

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[rushmore223]

I don't mind the concept of clones in SW; especially with "clone wars" being literally a war using cloned soldiers. But if one of the main protagonists is a clone, I've got a major problem with that because it cheapens the character for me. By definition, there's nothing uniquely special about a clone - someone created specifically to be a *copy* of someone else.

This is going to be a stupid analogy, but think about it like a diamond. A huge diamond would be incredibly valuable when it's a naturally-occurring stone. But if an identical-looking stone was created in a lab, it'd be far less valuable.

If a clone hero dies in a movie, it's kinda like "oh well, there can be another one." Much like time travel, it cheapens the stakes. With time travel, anything catastrophic that happens anymore in that movie universe can be considered less dramatic/urgent because you can conceivably just go back and change things to prevent it from happening.

Clone reveals and time travel are devices that I consider "gimmicks" in storytelling. I'd like SW to keep the gimmicks to a minimum. If Luke or Han were revealed to have been clones, I'd hate it. Even though I care far less about Rey, I'd still hate it if they reveal her to be a clone.

You made Dolly the Sheep cry. Nice work.

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[Bravomite]

I don't mind the concept of clones in SW; especially with "clone wars" being literally a war using cloned soldiers. But if one of the main protagonists is a clone, I've got a major problem with that because it cheapens the character for me. By definition, there's nothing uniquely special about a clone - someone created specifically to be a *copy* of someone else.

This is going to be a stupid analogy, but think about it like a diamond. A huge diamond would be incredibly valuable when it's a naturally-occurring stone. But if an identical-looking stone was created in a lab, it'd be far less valuable.

If a clone hero dies in a movie, it's kinda like "oh well, there can be another one." Much like time travel, it cheapens the stakes. With time travel, anything catastrophic that happens anymore in that movie universe can be considered less dramatic/urgent because you can conceivably just go back and change things to prevent it from happening.

Clone reveals and time travel are devices that I consider "gimmicks" in storytelling. I'd like SW to keep the gimmicks to a minimum. If Luke or Han were revealed to have been clones, I'd hate it. Even though I care far less about Rey, I'd still hate it if they reveal her to be a clone.

But Disney's whole thing is that anyone can be a diamond or that we are all diamonds (e.g. Broom boy) ... So it totally seems on message for Disney, from a certain point of view.

 

[chewblacca]

Read that this could be 3 hours long. They have a lot to fix and wrap up!

 

[abake]

Maybe this red-saber-wielding Rey isn't a vision...
Could it be that this is Rey uniting both the dark side and the light side of the force? Maybe Kylo and Rey do get togehter to confront Palpatine, Kylo dies, Rey has to escape and takes Kylo's saber, which she then rebuilds to defeat Palpatine in a final fight.

 

[teemu]

Maybe this red-saber-wielding Rey isn't a vision...
Could it be that this is Rey uniting both the dark side and the light side of the force? Maybe Kylo and Rey do get togehter to confront Palpatine, Kylo dies, Rey has to escape and takes Kylo's saber, which she then rebuilds to defeat Palpatine in a final fight.

I'd prefer that Luke shows up and cuts both their heads off - The End

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I'd prefer that Luke shows up and cuts both their heads off - The End

He'll be drinking milk and watching the action from the sideline along with the rest of the dead jedi.

 

[Khev]

Lol Voldemort.

 

[jye4ever]

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[ajp4mgs]

But Disney's whole thing is that anyone can be a diamond or that we are all diamonds (e.g. Broom boy) ... So it totally seems on message for Disney, from a certain point of view.

Saying that every individual has a potential for greatness is far different than individual greatness just being copied and replicated.

Technically, every able-bodied person has the potential to be great at a sport like baseball or soccer (practice, study, dedication, etc.). But Willie Mays and Pele were still more naturally gifted at their sports. That natural ability (their unique advantage), allowed them to be legends. If you cloned either one to play today, it would be nothing more than a copied version of original greatness. Not as special.

And I find it funny that people complain now about how Disney Wars "came up with" the idea that anyone has the potential to use the Force. It's funny because George Lucas told Lawrence Kasdan the same thing back in 1981 when they were making ROTJ.

Kasdan: The Force was available to anyone who could hook into it?

Lucas: Yes, everybody can do it.

Kasdan: Not just the Jedi?

Lucas: It?s just the Jedi who take the time to do it.

Marquand: They use it as a technique.

Lucas: Like yoga. If you want to take the time to do it, you can do it; but the ones that really want to do it are the ones who are into that kind of thing. Also like karate. Also another misconception is that Yoda teaches Jedi, but he is like a guru; he doesn?t go out and fight anybody.

If you're a fan of the prequels, please read the rest of that conversation transcript to see part of the reasons why some of us were so let down by the PT. Here's the link:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/star-wars-prequels-return-of-the-jedi_n_3313793

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

A few more thoughts

Clones, in the clone wars were created differently (mass production using 1 source) than Rey and for a much different purpose. They also look identical to their Source but each still have distinct personalities which is why Palpatine had those inhibitor chips installed in their heads during the cloning process to make them comply and obey order 66. He couldn’t trust them not to act on their own accord as individuals.

Anakin was literally created by Palpatine and placed into Shmi's belly with the force (force **** idk) Anakin is no less a clone then Rey, if natural conception is the bar, he just had the distinction of being the first and only copy made by Palps (he could have created more force babies easily) but he didnt because again his overconfidence he could not possibly fail with this pupil. He also wanted to maintain the rule of 2, an Apprentice and the Master, there can be only 2.

I believe Reys “cloning”/creation process is more like Anakin then like the Clones in Clone wars. The fact she isn’t an exact replica of Anakin, means she has to be have someone else’s dna mixed in (who the other source is anyone's guess) but combining two peoples dna makes here special right, isn’t that how we are created. Now the 2nd rey is an exact replica, so she was either Cloned from rey#1 (in the normal process -exact replica of source Rey#1) or the process somehow resulted in identical “twins” (bring it full circle baby). Just brainstorming here but maybe Palpatine didn’t order them to create multiple Reys maybe they ****ed up, or some rogue stole one of the twins before anyone could find out there were more than 1, and if there were multiples maybe they were ordered to kill them all but 1. The empire tends to screw **** up for Palps, which is why our Rey ended up where she did. In either case someone didn’t want Palpatine to find out about her.

Having said all that, Even if there were multiple reys accidently created during the creation process in a lab (lab baby). Rey is special since she was created using skywalker dna and that of some other person. She is no less special than Anakin Skywalker who was also created by Palps but in a much creepier manner.

A few more hints about Rey being created in a lab using Anakins DNA

1) She doesn’t have "parents" because her parents did not natural conceive her she was created (dna of Anakin/Vader and some unknown female). In TFA Maz says look to the future that past belonging you seek is gone, because she never really had parents or a family in the traditional sense (not a possibility). She will never have a family, she will always be alone which was her greatest fear (I am a nobody) because the main source of her DNA has been dead and gone for years before she was even born in that lab.

2) Anakin’s saber called to her because she has Anakin’s dna she is essentially his lab created daughter just born in a bacta tank of some sort not naturally like he was (although he wasn’t conceived naturally)

3) Luke states he has only seen this type of raw power once before it didn’t scare me enough then but it does now. Everyone assumes he was talking about Kylo but he was not he was talking about his first encounter with darth vader. Yoda warns Luke about the confrontation “ you will be afraid, you will be”” but he wasn’t in empire he went rushing in to confront Vader which is what he is referring too (Vaders power). All joking a side about kylo getting his butt wooped by everyone lol, luke was not referring to him, luke trained him himself if he feared him he wouldn’t have trained him from the start. This also explains his reluctance to train Rey, he focuses on balance and calm because vader was the opposite of that and its what led to his downfall, he was either full on JEDI savor, lover, or full on evil *******. There was no balance in Anakin.

4) Her innate piloting abilities and infinity for the force are because of Anakin’s dna in her

 

[jye4ever]

Thanks for the analysis as good a theory as any I guess.




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[Ropen]

So confused


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