Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[jye4ever]

I wonder why RO didn?t have horses on destroyers.


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[ajp4mgs]

All of the tv spots are continuing to confirm the plot leaks more and more. It all seems inevitable now. And I guess I'm the only one who came out of TLJ thinking this trilogy was set up for a better finish than it would've been otherwise.

After TFA, everything was looking like a complete rehash of the OT as the only way that the "plucky Rebellion/Resistance" would defeat the "oppressive Empire/FO" . . . by having the "new hope" (Rey) redeem the new Vader (Kylo) to take out the new Emperor (Snoke) and his FO.

That prospect was so lazy that it was depressing. Then TLJ cleared the way for a different outcome. When he killed his master, Kylo did more than show that he could defeat Snoke; he showed that he could defeat Rey. How? Because Rey was thoroughly embarrassed by Snoke, and it was obvious that she had no chance of surviving a confrontation with him. Kylo outsmarted Snoke, used the Force more masterfully, and *killed* him. Rey clearly couldn't have.

Snoke made Rey look amateurish and unready; tossing her around the room, easily reading her mind, and even knocking her in the head with a lightsaber hilt after taking it over from her in mid-flight. She was outmatched by Snoke in every way. Rey defeating Kylo in TFA could then suddenly be explained by Kylo foreseeing that he might be able to use her at some point (as he ultimately did).

When Rey refused to join Kylo at the end, he wouldn't need to lose to her a second time in Ep9 like he had in TFA. He even told Luke that he'd kill Rey and end every last shred of the Resistance. Episode IX had that as a starting point: Supreme Leader Kylo, no New Republic leadership, a diminished Resistance, and a Rey that wouldn't be able to benefit from a Kylo merely seeking to defend himself without killing her. In other words, a chance to capitalize on a credible threat and stakes in the first act.

But TROS will be nothing more than Kylo going back to being neutered by Rey. Palpatine will be used to replace the threat that Kylo could've/should've become. And Rey will ultimately prove to be able to do what Luke and Anakin couldn't do: truly defeat the greatest Sith of all. And Kylo (having become the best character in the ST), will be tossed aside with a token redemption for the sake of a more feel-good happy ending.

 

[abake]

All of the tv spots are continuing to confirm the plot leaks more and more. It all seems inevitable now. And I guess I'm the only one who came out of TLJ thinking this trilogy was set up for a better finish than it would've been otherwise.

After TFA, everything was looking like a complete rehash of the OT as the only way that the "plucky Rebellion/Resistance" would defeat the "oppressive Empire/FO" . . . by having the "new hope" (Rey) redeem the new Vader (Kylo) to take out the new Emperor (Snoke) and his FO.

That prospect was so lazy that it was depressing. Then TLJ cleared the way for a different outcome. When he killed his master, Kylo did more than show that he could defeat Snoke; he showed that he could defeat Rey. How? Because Rey was thoroughly embarrassed by Snoke, and it was obvious that she had no chance of surviving a confrontation with him. Kylo outsmarted Snoke, used the Force more masterfully, and *killed* him. Rey clearly couldn't have.

Snoke made Rey look amateurish and unready; tossing her around the room, easily reading her mind, and even knocking her in the head with a lightsaber hilt after taking it over from her in mid-flight. She was outmatched by Snoke in every way. Rey defeating Kylo in TFA could then suddenly be explained by Kylo foreseeing that he might be able to use her at some point (as he ultimately did).

When Rey refused to join Kylo at the end, he wouldn't need to lose to her a second time in Ep9 like he had in TFA. He even told Luke that he'd kill Rey and end every last shred of the Resistance. Episode IX had that as a starting point: Supreme Leader Kylo, no New Republic leadership, a diminished Resistance, and a Rey that wouldn't be able to benefit from a Kylo merely seeking to defend himself without killing her. In other words, a chance to capitalize on a credible threat and stakes in the first act.

But TROS will be nothing more than Kylo going back to being neutered by Rey. Palpatine will be used to replace the threat that Kylo could've/should've become. And Rey will ultimately prove to be able to do what Luke and Anakin couldn't do: truly defeat the greatest Sith of all. And Kylo (having become the best character in the ST), will be tossed aside with a token redemption for the sake of a more feel-good happy ending.

It's funny, I didn't share your enthusiasm for TLJ, but I do share your depression going into TROS...

 

[Khev]

I wonder why RO didn?t have horses on destroyers.

 

[ironwez20]

Damm. Even apj is losing hope. You know this movie will suck when even TLJ people lose hope

 

[jye4ever]

All of the tv spots are continuing to confirm the plot leaks more and more. It all seems inevitable now. And I guess I'm the only one who came out of TLJ thinking this trilogy was set up for a better finish than it would've been otherwise.

After TFA, everything was looking like a complete rehash of the OT as the only way that the "plucky Rebellion/Resistance" would defeat the "oppressive Empire/FO" . . . by having the "new hope" (Rey) redeem the new Vader (Kylo) to take out the new Emperor (Snoke) and his FO.

That prospect was so lazy that it was depressing. Then TLJ cleared the way for a different outcome. When he killed his master, Kylo did more than show that he could defeat Snoke; he showed that he could defeat Rey. How? Because Rey was thoroughly embarrassed by Snoke, and it was obvious that she had no chance of surviving a confrontation with him. Kylo outsmarted Snoke, used the Force more masterfully, and *killed* him. Rey clearly couldn't have.

Snoke made Rey look amateurish and unready; tossing her around the room, easily reading her mind, and even knocking her in the head with a lightsaber hilt after taking it over from her in mid-flight. She was outmatched by Snoke in every way. Rey defeating Kylo in TFA could then suddenly be explained by Kylo foreseeing that he might be able to use her at some point (as he ultimately did).

When Rey refused to join Kylo at the end, he wouldn't need to lose to her a second time in Ep9 like he had in TFA. He even told Luke that he'd kill Rey and end every last shred of the Resistance. Episode IX had that as a starting point: Supreme Leader Kylo, no New Republic leadership, a diminished Resistance, and a Rey that wouldn't be able to benefit from a Kylo merely seeking to defend himself without killing her. In other words, a chance to capitalize on a credible threat and stakes in the first act.

But TROS will be nothing more than Kylo going back to being neutered by Rey. Palpatine will be used to replace the threat that Kylo could've/should've become. And Rey will ultimately prove to be able to do what Luke and Anakin couldn't do: truly defeat the greatest Sith of all. And Kylo (having become the best character in the ST), will be tossed aside with a token redemption for the sake of a more feel-good happy ending.

I prefer the leak version over your version lol


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[TaliBane]

I wonder why RO didn?t have horses on destroyers.


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[FlyAndFight]

It's funny, I didn't share your enthusiasm for TLJ, but I do share your depression going into TROS...

Damm. Even apj is losing hope. You know this movie will suck when even TLJ people lose hope

I thought the same thing. I was hoping for at least a TPM type of film, where there would be the agonizing "Jar-Jar-ish and Ani-ish" scenes but at least have some "Darth Maul-ish" type of scenes interspersed as well. Bringing balance to the train wreck trilogy.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Damm. Even apj is losing hope. You know this movie will suck when even TLJ people lose hope

It'll be more of a crowd-pleaser than TLJ was (obviously). But for me, I hope for a depth and purpose of story. If the plot leaks are true, as they seem to be, I don't understand the purpose of the TROS story. Maybe it'll be there. And maybe low expectations will prove to be a blessing. I'm just not seeing it.

I prefer the leak version over your version lol


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I'm glad you'll be happy with TROS.

 

[Prime Clone]

The Mandalorian also relies on nostalgia, but maybe it's a cooler kind. Or maybe it gets a pass cos it's "only" a TV series.

 

[Wor-Gar]

All I know is that once this hits theaters... it will be over! The ST will be gone forever. No more worrying about what they'll ruin next. How they'll defile the past. What earthly nationality will show up next.

Hopefully JJ will never come near another Star Wars movie again. And may 2020 be the year that KK is no longer Keeper of the Force.

And we can settle back with Mando... and relax.

 

[Khev]

The Mandolorian also relies on nostalgia

Fake news.

 

[Khev]

What earthly nationality that is inexplicably obsessed with horseys will show up next.

Fixed, lol.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I know that may sound harsh... but think of all the people KK has fired before they even got their chance to fail.

She's failed multiple times with a major franchise and yet she still smiles for the photos.

Zach Snyder is impressed. How much she bench?

 

[TaliBane]

All I know is that once this hits theaters... it will be over! The ST will be gone forever. No more worrying about what they'll ruin next. How they'll defile the past. What earthly nationality will show up next.

Hopefully JJ will never come near another Star Wars movie again. And may 2020 be the year that KK is no longer Keeper of the Force.

And we can settle back with Mando... and relax.

Nik Cage will save the ST one day. It shall be resurrected.

 

[greedo737]

And we can settle back with Mando... and relax.

https://youtu.be/Ab47umgoLrk

 

[Prime Clone]

And we can settle back with Mando... and relax.

 

[The Buffinator]

Nik Cage will save the ST one day. It shall be resurrected.

It looks like you put Michael Shannon's face on Poe while you were at it.

 

[ZE_501]

[...]
Sure the execution is different but Lucas winged it just the same as Disney.

[...]

Hell yeah. Lucas has pretended to have had a sprawling master plan, but the evidence is all up there on the screen, most notoriously the Luke & Leia make-out in ESB followed by their being siblings in ROTJ.

It's not like he knew what the Clone Wars actually were. It was a throw-away line in 1977. Etc. etc.

As far as all the films go IMO:

Greatness -- ANH, ESB

Very, very good albeit flawed -- ROTJ (Ewoks, some questionable choices but satisfactory resolution) -- Rogue One (Too dark and gritty for traditional SW but *so entertaining* and gorgeous texture)

Fun -- Solo

Poor outings but had their moments -- TPM (Jar Jar, Lil' Ani etc. but Sidious, Maul, Duel of the Fates) -- Revenge of the Sith (Sidious)

Confusing -- TFA (Re-hash, blew it with OT characters, killed Han etc. but Falcon chase, scary Kylo + F.O. introduction, Rey was entertaining)

Dead to me -- AOTC, TLJ

I think that's as honest as I can be. In AOTC I did like the brawl between Jango and Obi Wan, and their chase through the asteroid field in spite of Baby Boba.

 

[Khev]

Baby Yoda >>>>>> Baby Boba.

Great breakdown of all the films.