Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Darth Skywalker]

I didn?t expect to see luke take down ships with the force. I wanted to see:

Rey confused as to why she?s so suddenly in tune with the force. Asks Luke to train her. Luke says ?I already did.?

Luke trained her in the Jedi school, she was the best student, Kylo went nuts, Luke erased her memory to protect her. Hid her on Jakuu.

When the balance of the force tipped too dark, the Force ?awoke? in Rey and led her to Luke to complete her training. It was time to take out the First Order.

Episode 8 is then an adventure with a heroic Luke, training Rey along the way.

Episode 9 is everyone teaming up. Everything is then passed on to the new characters for eps 10-12.

 

[Spartan Rex]

 

[Prime Clone]

Would you like blue/green milk with that?

 

[TaliBane]

Totally agree.....their hate has blinded them.

I give Mando 1 season before they start turning on that as well.



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SW is the ONE franchise that I start with a clean emotional slate prior every release not because they earned it but because i?m a HUGE fan of the elements that makes it whole.

I actually feel bad for other true SW -diehards- who are now so jaded inside that they actually completely write off a brand new 250 million dollar STAR WARS movie sight unseen based on the previous chapter instead of judging it by its own merits.




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Jaded: "bored or lacking enthusiasm, not having interest or losing interest because you have experienced something too many times."

Because I ignore the existence of the PT and heap scorn on the ST (because it is bad in four dimensions) in no way renders me or my SW fandom "jaded."

I still actively love the OT as much as I ever did, and have loved several attempts to graft onto it (RO and Mando) so I'm in no way jaded simply because I call out the ST as a lazy, uninspired pretender thus far.

Calling out mediocrity, imitation and commercialism masquerading as something more I consider a noble pursuit.

JJ - "Episode 9 will be the conclusion of story that is over 40 years in the making"... give me a ****ing break, you branded IP auteur-tard.

See? Still not jaded, speaking the truth, all part of a noble pursuit.

Via Force Skype.

The cost of that phone call killed him.

Well, to be perfectly clear, nobody, even at LFL or the Chee/Hildago twins are sure what killed Luke at the end of TLJ, other than the fact Hamill is over 60.

To show Luke's ambivalence to the Force by showing him do menial and quotidian tasks. It's very deliberate to be depreciative.

Also, it's a sharp contrast to him at the end of the movie when he lives up to the mantle of being Luke Skywalker which was done in an interesting way we've never seen in a SW film before.

This is of course opposed to wish-fulfillment Luke where people think he should have taken down fleets with a flick of a finger, joined Rey with no qualms and used his green saber to cut down fodder made up of a thousand faceless First Order troops which is something I'd expect from an 'Endgame'-like SW movie. I'm glad they didn't.

I dunno... I think it was RJ's creative choice to use a huge human breast that sorta stood out for me. I mean there's menial and quotidian, and then there's an overscale obese human female sitting just offscreen.

And how many times must we hear the "you wanted Luke to take down a wall of ATATs by raising an eyebrow" thing? It was a lame dodge even a year ago. C'mon, people.

 

[YoNoSe]

I just can’t imagine being Mark Hamill returning to one of the most iconic roles is cinema and watching that muppet being helicoptered in.

 

[ZE_501]

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And how many times must we hear the "you wanted Luke to take down a wall of ATATs by raising an eyebrow" thing? It was a lame dodge even a year ago. C'mon, people.

George ended at ROTJ. It was always going to be difficult to use the core heroes again in a meaningful yet exciting way.

As a fan what I would have wanted is pretty abstract:

1. Respect for the heroes' achievements in the OT.
2. Respect for their lives -- I didn't need a sugary 'happily ever after' but a life of depressing failure I didn't need to see.
3. A logical and well-considered story set within that universe and history.

They gave us the opposite of 1 and 2, as for 3...they had elements of something interesting but failed to deliver in a hash of re-treads and 'subversion'. Two competing, extremist visions that tore the property to shreds.

I never wanted Luke to take on a fleet or mow down multiple assailants. I've always been in the 'less is more' camp.

 

[Craig Walker]

I had a lot more issues with TLJ than that end battle but I didn?t care for it nonetheless. I was so far gone from the story by that time that it was probably the last thing I?d even think of when it comes to what I disliked about the movie.

QFT. I almost walked out.

 

[jye4ever]

Jaded: "bored or lacking enthusiasm, not having interest or losing interest because you have experienced something too many times."

Because I ignore the existence of the PT and heap scorn on the ST (because it is bad in four dimensions) in no way renders me or my SW fandom "jaded."

I still actively love the OT as much as I ever did, and have loved several attempts to graft onto it (RO and Mando) so I'm in no way jaded simply because I call out the ST as a lazy, uninspired pretender thus far.

Calling out mediocrity, imitation and commercialism masquerading as something more I consider a noble pursuit.

JJ - "Episode 9 will be the conclusion of story that is over 40 years in the making"... give me a ****ing break, you branded IP auteur-tard.

See? Still not jaded, speaking the truth, all part of a noble pursuit.







Well, to be perfectly clear, nobody, even at LFL or the Chee/Hildago twins are sure what killed Luke at the end of TLJ, other than the fact Hamill is over 60.



I dunno... I think it was RJ's creative choice to use a huge human breast that sorta stood out for me. I mean there's menial and quotidian, and then there's an overscale obese human female sitting just offscreen.

And how many times must we hear the "you wanted Luke to take down a wall of ATATs by raising an eyebrow" thing? It was a lame dodge even a year ago. C'mon, people.

Talibane you will be on your knights of the round table noble pursuit until your very last breath because the corporate studio system isn?t going anywhere.

IP branding, licensing and merchandising is here to stay and by all estimates will continue to be agenda driven by most studios.

I?m afraid your fantasy of cinema purity that speaks only to your truths and adheres to only your beliefs will lead you down a very lonely path.

I hope you loved Joker you could watch that 24/7 lol

For me I got my tickets for IX walking in ready to judge it from a clean emotional slate.

I wish you well on your journey Sir Lancelotalibane may you come upon the holy grail in a years age and cleanse Hollywood of its corporate profit driven agenda filth.




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[YoNoSe]

I can’t wait until Jye hates this one.

 

[jye4ever]

I can?t wait until Jye hates this one.

But at least it will come from someone who actually gave it a chance to succeed and not from ironwez who already gave it a 0.5/10 score lol


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[YoNoSe]

I’m gonna try to keep an open mind. I want SW to be good. I just wasn’t prepared for the shower stall shanking that was TLJ. I’m not going to sit arms folded looking for nits but my shields are at maximum.

 

[jye4ever]

I?m gonna try to keep an open mind. I want SW to be good. I just wasn?t prepared for the shower stall shanking that was TLJ. I?m not going to sit arms folded looking for nits but my shields are at maximum.

I was going as an AOTC arena Jedi but now i?m seriously considering going as the tall JAWA from ANH or a very big baby yoda lol


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[YoNoSe]

I want to go as pregnant Yaddle.

 

[jye4ever]

I want to go as pregnant Yaddle.

HOLY CRAP that is my post of the freaking weekend I just spit out my peach snapple lol

That yaddle image is now stuck for good.

OMG i?m googling some bad stuff right now but I need to create art.


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[The Buffinator]

Thank you for your sympathy. All they had to do was treat Luke Skywalker with some respect and I?d still be a fan. Sadly, he was too busy milking a space moose and then committed suicide.

Via Force Skype.

Luke literally phoned it in! Not that I had a problem with that...

The cost of that phone call killed him.

He should have reversed the charges...

 

[YoNoSe]

HOLY CRAP that is my post of the freaking weekend I just spit out my peach snapple lol

That yaddle image is now stuck for good.


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[jye4ever]

If Master Otomofan caught me doing this he would be very grumpy..

 

[YoNoSe]

Breaking my heart you are!

 

[Sassafras]

Luke was portrayed as a homeless, space cow milking loser in TLJ who couldn't even be bothered to show up for the fight. It was an incredibly disrespectful way to portray such an iconic character.

Unfortunately that was only one of many despicable portrayals/scenes from the entire sordid tale. It was truly the worst and most insulting movie I have ever seen based on content and plot.

But, another spin would be: unlike facing his father, for Luke, the guilt of even thinking about offing his nephew, followed by the guilt of feeling responsible as well for the death of all those other students (a problem with these movies and IW as well - all those little people get wiped out and there's not even a blip to show whether anyone cares or not) might send a great Jedi to solitude. As time goes on, Luke is still unable to know whether having powerful Force wielders are a good thing, or not, and becomes more isolated. (kind've *&^% tho that apparently all that time no handy Force ghost showed up to help Luke) Luke must've been thinking a LOT when he brings up the whole Jedi history of "failure".

(Also, the idea of the super-powerful isolating themselves isn't new- elves in LOTR, sorcerers etc.)

The whole space milk thing was Luke tweaking Rey anyway; he was trying to get her off the Skywalker-legend thing. (Plus, can't argue with excellent meme fodder)

In direct contrast to the younger Kylo, who has no answers to his own great power - but whose answer is to destroy everything. Luke is willing to die to save all, Kylo will kill all, including what he loves (Rey) out of hubris.

Anyway force projection must be a heavy-duty power; like Kylo tells Rey ("you're not doing this, the effort would kill you"). Plus Luke *mysteriously* was projecting physically with Leia already; and then goes out to face Kylo and had to be physical enough to fool his powerful nephew.

Far as I can tell, a huge thing that was unforgivable was Luke not showing up in person, even tho that would have been a kind of re-hash of Obi-Wan and Darth and it was, anyway, to a degree (spectacular visuals tho). So folks are *&^% even tho what Luke did was a lot harder than showing up for the mano a mano thing? And he was able to pass into the Force dimension with a nice nod back to the iconic shot of young Luke with the suns of Tatooine. Which to me was better than total re-hash of Obiwan and Darth. Which ALSO would have been disrespectful ("look, they didn't even respect not to REHASH WTF!!!!")

Not sayin' there aren't *TLJ issues* Poppins Leia but there's enough epic fantasy journey/hero arcs out (where what Luke goes through - including way back to Hercules - isn't that unusual). Whether outraged fans LIKE the treatment - NOT, apparently - well, IMO it's too bad if the rage is gonna stain ANY positivity to ROTJ.

 

[SilverStar17]

I'm looking forward to seeing it. I'm happy that Ian is returning as the Emperor - I hope they go full-ham evil fanservice mode for him, and the leaked script sounds like they will. I love the new trilogy cast. Daisy Ridley, Adam Driver, John Boyega and Oscar Isaac are fantastic, I just wish the writers gave them something better to work with. It's downright sad how Boyega's character is still being pushed to the sideliness even though he seems the happiest and most positive out of all of the cast to be in the new movies, and it seems like he's going to be a minor character yet again in TROS.

Overall, I like watching the ST more than the PT, but I still prefer the storytelling in the PT. TFA was a good movie to get the franchise back on course. I don't even hate TLJ, but Rian's twitter rants really give me a bad taste when watching it.

But yeah, here's hoping for the best. The trailers make it out to be the "Endgame" of the franchise, but without much buildup in the previous movies it's going to be hard for it to have the same payoff. I just don't know how they'll handle this, and JJ's words "hopefully fans will like the parts we got right" aren't very encouraging at all.

Of all the things wrong with TLJ and there is plenty wrong Luke is not one of those things for me.


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My sentiments as well.

I thought TFA was just fine because they just rehashed the plot of ANH, so they essentially played the safe route while setting up the new characters to be mildly intriguing. TLJ overall I didn’t care for, sans the Luke and Rey parts. With the exception of some scenes, I overall liked Luke’s character arc and it worked for me.

That being said, I think I actually like TFA and TLJ over TPM and AotC when comparing the ST to the PT up to this point. I certainly like individual characters like Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, Maul, and Dooku, but I actually find TFA to be more watchable than TPM as a film and I’d actually rather watch TLJ for the Luke and Rey parts than AotC. I found both TPM and AotC to be annoying to watch due to annoying characters like Jar-Jar and young Ani. And of course, a lot of the Anakin and Padme scenes in AotC were downright cringe worthy.