Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

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Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Genuine surprises, sure. But not well thought out good ones. He literally just thought of doing what the fans didn't expect to see, but not in a good meaningful/thought provoking way. He literally turned it into a joke. He is not a good story teller.

I'm fine if they/he wanted Luke to be a tragically flawed character. It's how he went about it.

So many ways he could've told a compelling story, rather than what he thought would simply be an unexpected one. This isn't the fan fiction I had in my head, in fact I had none before seeing TLJ, I just expected to seethe characters continue on the journey/ their journey come to an end. But in a meaningful way.

A compelling story would've been Luke retreating to find the origins of the Jedi as to ensure none of this happens again. To embrace his failures and right a wrong. To admit he failed with Ben and how he tried to resurrect the Jedi based on the old ways. To find the knowledge to help him break the cycle and try again. To train an a new generation of protectors/defenders that won't fall into the same trap the Jedi did. To embrace the force in all it's glory and move away from light/dark, good/bad, Jedi/Sith. Actually teach Rey and show her what was right and wrong within the Jedi order, and how she can avoid/break the circle and the importance to stop/redeem Kylo before his fall is complete. He senses the struggle within him and there is still time....

So many good strong lessons and story telling potential. Instead we get a coward. The sad part is, this is how JJ seemed to be going with the mysterious disappearance of Luke. That there was a reason for his seclusion and departure, Not that he cowardly slinked away into hiding after failing his sister and best friend. Hiding away from the galaxy to simply die.

Rian must've had a sad childhood if this is how he wanted to continue/end the Skywalker legacy. He turned heroes into cowards, except Leia of course.

That sounds great loki...if you were creating a great Batman story :lol

Sell that to WB they need that lol
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Hamill played the part great. It's just not the part he should've been playing. Just like he said, this is Jake Skywalker, not the Luke Skywalker he/we knew.

It's obvious Disney wants the fans to let go of their beloved characters, and what better way than to tear them down so they are no longer the heroes we enjoyed. And instead have a new generation of young fans who long to see new stories of Disney created Star Wars characters rather than the previous generations. Usher in the new while burying the old, the past, so people no longer feel a connection to them, or long to see their continued struggle. It's all about Rey, Finn, Poe, Rose, & the omnipotent BB-8 fighting Kylo and his New First Order.

Epic new struggles on the horizon... :yess:
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Good stuff thank you.

:rock

Another awesome thing was how Rian didn't deny us younger incarnations of Luke that the 30 year gap after ROTJ had skipped over entirely. Even though the glimpses were brief we still got to see a younger Jedi Master Luke with green lightsaber via the flashbacks (with both Light and Dark Side representations to boot) and he even found an excuse to have the final duel be with a younger and more spry version of Luke. Pretty brilliant IMO.

Genuine surprises, sure. But not well thought out good ones.

And here's where we either respectfully disagree while recognizing the validity of the opposing opinion or you write me off as a gushing fanboy who has no standards and I write you off as an irrational hater who is enraged that he didn't get to see his favorite superhero fan-fiction brought to life. ;)

the purple hair was abit much like bad cosplay- she would have been alot better as a blonde or whatever but Disney needed to appeal to those females who gotta dye their hair odd colors to get attention and feel noticed...

What does she do when she's not wearing a purple dress? Redye her hair every morning so that it always matches her outfit? ;)
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

That sounds great loki...if you were creating a great Batman story :lol

Sell that to WB they need that lol

If Disney quietly dumps Johnson, and spins the story as creative differences or rather that Johnson decided to move on, WB should snap him up. He'd all but guarantee to continue WB/DC's streak of good decision making/story telling of the DCEU..
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

That sounds great loki...if you were creating a great Batman story :lol

Sell that to WB they need that lol

To all said by you and Khev..."That's great if you were recreating a Peter Pan story....Disney has the rights so it cost them nothing...Spielbergs Hook is better Peter Pan than Johnsons version"
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

So JJ makes EP IX a return to the OT riffs and beats and tone of TFA...this is what everybody wants to "right the ship"?
I don't....
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

if disney quietly dumps johnson, and spins the story as creative differences or rather that johnson decided to move on, wb should snap him up. He'd all but guarantee to continue wb/dc's streak of good decision making/story telling of the dceu..

i do not want johnson to do dc...noooo!....
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I don’t get it Rey/Holdo are disgusting for being perfect and stong yet Luke is disgusting for not being perfect and strong.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I don’t get it Rey/Holdo are disgusting for being perfect and stong yet Luke is disgusting for not being perfect and strong.

Well they're disgusting for being perfect females whereas Luke stopping the entire First Order army (whose ground forces hadn't suffered a single casualty) from advancing on the Resistance all by himself (without even actually being there!) shows what a flawed and horrible male he is. Or something.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

And here's where we either respectfully disagree while recognizing the validity of the opposing opinion or you write me off as a gushing fanboy who has no standards and I write you off as an irrational hater who is enraged that he didn't get to see his favorite superhero fan-fiction brought to life. ;))

Hmmmm.... I have to think about that one.... :idea



















Ok, I think I need to write you off as a gushing fanboy who has no standards.... :wink1:

:lol .... :1-1:
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Well they're disgusting for being perfect females whereas Luke stopping the entire First Order army (whose ground forces hadn't suffered a single casualty) from advancing on the Resistance all by himself (without even actually being there!) shows what a flawed and horrible male he is. Or something.

Yeah what a weak snowflake soy boi piece of **** he is lol
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

So JJ makes EP IX a return to the OT riffs and beats and tone of TFA...this is what everybody wants to "right the ship"?
I don't....
Star wars equals "Anything Goes"...rules are out...Force Religion is bad, Han is bad, Chewie was bad now a suckup to Rey tommyboy and vegetables, Leia godlike....It don't have to be a repeat but certain facts should remain...If Johnson did LOTR he would have Aragorn on a Rock vs becoming....Frodo would be sucking Gollums nipples...
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Hmmmm.... I have to think about that one.... :idea



















Ok, I think I need to write you off as a gushing fanboy who has no standards.... :wink1:

:lol .... :1-1:

It's like the end of Christmas with the Kranks.

"Does this mean we have to start being nice to each other old man?"

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"Nah."

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:lol :1-1:
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Star wars equals "Anything Goes"...rules are out...Force Religion is bad, Han is bad, Chewie was bad now a suckup to Rey tommyboy and vegetables, Leia godlike....It don't have to be a repeat but certain facts should remain...If Johnson did LOTR he would have Aragorn on a Rock vs becoming....Frodo would be sucking Gollums nipples...

I will say this- I have no idea how JJ is going to make this- but he WAS rehired by KK so you better be prepared!
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

And the all powerful Emperor couldn’t stop Vader from picking him up lol

It was the Chosen one...protecting his son...The Grinch heart growing picking up the Sleigh....Jye you should know better
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I will say this- I have no idea how JJ is going to make this- but he WAS rehired by KK so you better be prepared!

Rian turned Star Wars into Sausage Party...where everybody in the end gets some LOL...I would make ep 9 the most vicious Star Wars film ever to get things back on track...Force,Sith,Jedi would return from Rian Johnsons destruction of them
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

i do not want johnson to do dc...noooo!....

Johnson should go to WB. But instead of joining and finally improving the DCEU, he should make a Harry Potter sequel.

It'll be set many many years in the future, 30 maybe? Where Voldemort returns again, and instead of Harry fighting he turns tail and hides. Meanwhile after suffering a devastating loss in the battle to save all wizards and mankind, in which his former friend Hermione is now in desperation, and his best friend Ron perished after being slain by his son who turned out was the vessel for Voldemort's return. Harry's kids search him out and find him on a secret island, where magic began, and where he realized the fight is all for naught and is a perpetual circle with no end. Voldemort will always return. And in a surprising turn of events after his children are unable to persuade him to return or teach them what he's learned, he'll use an all powerful forgotten & forbidden spell to save the day, but ultimately will cost him his life. He won't kill Voldemort, but will hinder his progress and give his kids time to rally and continue the fight...

:lol

The new and old Harry Potter fans will eat this **** up!!!!!!!!!!! :yess:
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I liked Rey in TFA but they sure went hyper Mary Sue in TLJ. If her parents were truly nobodies showing the audience would have been way nicer than Kylo saying it. Just a little flashback of them being space junkies could have made TLJ and Rey's character better, instead they went for the ****tiest ripoff of the Erised mirror ever.

Also she can have all the power of the force she wants but without training it should be meaningless. One can tell how detached from reality Johnson and Kennedy truly are when they fail not only at getting combat right but even how gravity (or the absence of it) ****ing works.
 
Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

And for good reason based on his understanding of current events, though I might be inclined to agree with those who don't think that that moment should have been played for laughs.

I agree with you here. Throwing the lightsaber away wasn't the thing that annoyed me about the scene it was Rian's poor decision to play it for laughs. Luke tossing it over his shoulder so that the audience would be in hysterics at Rian's witty subversion took any emotional weight out of Luke's choice to reject his lost weapon and his link to his past. I was so distracted by how out of place and jarring the saber toss had been that I wasn't even considering why Luke would have acted in this manner.

Remember when Gandalf was offered the ring in FOTR, it would have been big lols if he had just tossed it right out of the window and into the waiting face of the eavesdropping Samwise, right?

I wish Luke had just let the lightsaber fall through his fingers to the floor - at least then it would have been consistent with the story that Rian was trying to tell. If Luke was rejecting the Jedi weapon because of his failing with Ben (as was later revealed) then one could be forgiven for supposing that when confronted with this stark reminder of his greatest failure that he might have had a different less comedic reaction to it. Was the comedy toss for Rey's benefit (a person he had never met and was openly hostile towards) or was that ... oh no wait that was for our benefit, sadness.

Anyways just took me right out of the movie and put me firmly on the path to disliking the film (gravity defying bombs, ridiculously impractically designed bombers, your mum jokes and Hux being an absolute buffoon had already made me uneasy but this moment cemented my bad feeling about this).

We saw Anakin fall in the PT but we didn't see that done *well.* Which is why I'm more than happy with the ST acting as a bit of a PT "do over" and having Ben Solo be the young Anakin that we should have gotten in the first place. And one interesting aspect to Kylo Ren is that he's unquestionably not on Vader's level but is also unquestionably far *above* Hayden's Anakin. That works IMO. No character will ever be as good as Vader but Driver's been doing a great job as the tormented prodigy (and for that reason I'm glad they ditched the mask, hopefully Abrams doesn't bring it back.)

Did we actually see Ben fall to the darkside? I didn't see that in this movie or the last one. He was already there or thereabouts. I preferred Lucas' attempts in the PT with Anakin... at least I know what he was going for even if it was clumsily delivered. Do you know what motivates Ben/Kylo or why he pursues this path of destruction of the past? I know Jake Skywalker snuck into his bedroom with a lightsaber in the Jedi school that one time but is that all we are really going to get on the point?

This ST would have been infinitely better if they had bothered to shoot a trilogy or even one movie of the missing years from the OT to the ST. I would have liked to have seen:

  1. the Republic and peace times ... they fought so hard for it in the OT that I wanted to see it realised at least as the set up for the new trilogy, not just consigned to a by-line in the crawl;
  2. Han being the familiar Han that we saw developed over three movies and experiencing the crisis with him that propels his character development backwards so that he reverts into same selfish smuggler man from the beginning of the saga and runs away;
  3. Luke training and discovering Jedi;
  4. Leia becoming disillusioned with the very system she spent years fighting to set up;
  5. Poe being becoming an awesome pilot, being inspired by Leia and leaving with her to form the resistance;
  6. Snoke having a backstory so we can understand the threat he poses and his cunning - so we can respect and fear him as a villain;
  7. the remnant of the Empire forming the First Order and acting as a terrorist / guerrilla group. Causing problems for the Republic but not ever perceived as a real threat until it was too late; and
  8. Ben being gradually seduced by the dark side and Snoke until the fateful day at the temple.

All these things would have been more satisfying and added weight to the episodes to follow.
 
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