Star Wars: Episode IX - THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

[Adolfo]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Johnson should go to WB. But instead of joining and finally improving the DCEU, he should make a Harry Potter sequel.

It'll be set many many years in the future, 30 maybe? Where Voldemort returns again, and instead of Harry fighting he turns tail and hides. Meanwhile after suffering a devastating loss in the battle to save all wizards and mankind, in which his former friend Hermione is now in desperation, and his best friend Ron perished after being slain by his son who turned out was the vessel for Voldemort's return. Harry's kids search him out and find him on a secret island, where magic began, and where he realized the fight is all for naught and is a perpetual circle with no end. Voldemort will always return. And in a surprising turn of events after his children are unable to persuade him to return or teach them what he's learned, he'll use an all powerful forgotten & forbidden spell to save the day, but ultimately will cost him his life. He won't kill Voldemort, but will hinder his progress and give his kids time to rally and continue the fight...



The new and old Harry Potter fans will eat this **** up!!!!!!!!!!!

DO not give Johnson any franchises...Got forbid he gets Terminator and Looperizes it to death...Now I loved Looper...but it was its own fresh film...he will ruin any established franchise...nope..no johnson

 

[Adolfo]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I liked Rey in TFA but they sure went hyper Mary Sue in TLJ. If her parents were truly nobodies showing the audience would have been way nicer than Kylo saying it. Just a little flashback of them being space junkies could have made TLJ and Rey's character better, instead they went for the ****tiest ripoff of the Erised mirror ever.

Also she can have all the power of the force she wants but without training it should be meaningless. One can tell how detached from reality Johnson and Kennedy truly are when they fail not only at getting combat right but even how gravity (or the absence of it) ****ing works.

Reys Parents were the Chosen Alcoholics...Every child has a right...

 

[pixletwin]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I have a problem where the OT characters OVERNIGHT out of the blue changed who they were....

Erm, overnight or over 30 years. Assuming a similar time deferential to our own would mean over approximately 11,000 nights.

 

[Adolfo]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Erm, overnight or over 30 years. Assuming a similar time deferential to our own would mean over approximately 11,000 nights.

Disney magic..Fairy dust and kennedys milk spritzers...remember too Force religion also entered metamorphosis overnight...Disney back story..."After being bored and feeling badly about being men Luke, Chewie and Han".....etc etc...there you go disneys backstory over 30 yrs...Luke got lost on a three hour tour and got stranded on an island with Ginger and Maryann woulda been more acceptable to me

 

[Adolfo]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Lucas "Chosen One" Star Wars > Kennedy/Johnsons "Anything Goes" Star Wars any day

 

[Khev]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Welcome back to the discussion Bravomite!

I agree with you here. Throwing the lightsaber away wasn't the thing that annoyed me about the scene it was Rian's poor decision to play it for laughs. Luke tossing it over his shoulder so that the audience would be in hysterics at Rian's witty subversion took any emotional weight out of Luke's choice to reject his lost weapon and his link to his past. I was so distracted by how out of place and jarring the saber toss had been that I wasn't even considering why Luke would have acted in this manner.

While I think that Rian could have made a better choice with Luke's reaction I don't mind the comedic shoulder toss since it does set the stage for the antics to follow (milk scene, slapping Rey's hand, etc.) I liked his mischievous detachment in all of those scenes (save arguably the lightsaber toss.)

Remember when Gandalf was offered the ring in FOTR, it would have been big lols if he had just tossed it right out of the window and into the waiting face of the eavesdropping Samwise, right?

I wish Luke had just let the lightsaber fall through his fingers to the floor - at least then it would have been consistent with the story that Rian was trying to tell. If Luke was rejecting the Jedi weapon because of his failing with Ben (as was later revealed) then one could be forgiven for supposing that when confronted with this stark reminder of his greatest failure that he might have had a different less comedic reaction to it. Was the comedy toss for Rey's benefit (a person he had never met and was openly hostile towards) or was that ... oh no wait that was for our benefit, sadness.

I disagree that the toss was for the audience only. It was also a good indicator to Rey right off the bat of what she was going to be in for.

Anyways just took me right out of the movie and put me firmly on the path to disliking the film (gravity defying bombs, ridiculously impractically designed bombers, your mum jokes and Hux being an absolute buffoon had already made me uneasy but this moment cemented my bad feeling about this).

Hopefully you've let the bomb thing go since your initial viewing. I mean on the one hand it's Star Wars and they've never followed the rules of physics very well. Why on earth would Han have NOT expected to get immediately sucked out into space (along with Leia, Chewie, 3PO, etc.) when opening the Falcon's lower ramp in what he assumed was an ordinary asteroid cave? Because Star Wars.

But the Resistance bombs actually do have a plausible explanation. Like pretty much all ships in SW the Resistance bombers have their own internal artificial gravity (which is why the bombadiers walked around inside without any fuss.) Since the bombs were caged inside the ships they would have been subjected to that same artificial gravity pulling them downward. Once the bombadiers released the bombs they'd "fall" (just like Paige did when she lost her balance on the ladder) and then all that needed to happen was to make sure that the bottom doors were open so that the bombs would continue out into space. With no friction once they exited the ship they'd just proceed in the same direction thus giving the impression that they were "dropping" out of the bomber even though there's technically no up or down in space.

Did we actually see Ben fall to the darkside?

No we didn't see him transition from precocious child to evil incarnate but technically TLJ did show us the exact moment that he fully crossed over into darkness.

This ST would have been infinitely better if they had bothered to shoot a trilogy or even one movie of the missing years from the OT to the ST. I would have liked to have seen:

1. the Republic and peace times ... they fought so hard for it in the OT that I wanted to see it realised at least as the set up for the new trilogy, not just consigned to a by-line in the crawl;
2. Han being the familiar Han that we saw developed over three movies and experiencing the crisis with him that propels his character development backwards so that he reverts into same selfish smuggler man from the beginning of the saga and runs away;
3. Luke training and discovering Jedi;
4. Leia becoming disillusioned with the very system she spent years fighting to set up;
5. Poe being becoming an awesome pilot, being inspired by Leia and leaving with her to form the resistance;
6. Snoke having a backstory so we can understand the threat he poses and his cunning - so we can respect and fear him as a villain;
7. the remnant of the Empire forming the First Order and acting as a terrorist / guerrilla group. Causing problems for the Republic but not ever perceived as a real threat until it was too late; and
8. Ben being gradually seduced by the dark side and Snoke until the fateful day at the temple.

Fair enough but I'm sure you'll get your fair share of comics, novels, and video games that fill all those gaps (assuming they aren't available already.)

Nice chatting with you again bud. I like it when PT boys like you and Prime Clone chime in.

 

[Ce Ilhuicamina]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Rian turned Star Wars into Sausage Party...where everybody in the end gets some LOL...I would make ep 9 the most vicious Star Wars film ever to get things back on track...Force,Sith,Jedi would return from Rian Johnsons destruction of them

Seriously. KK must have the higher ups by the balls to not only keep her position but to give her favorite sycophant a whole trilogy when his most memorable film is bloody Looper of all things. No wonder TLJ is so stupidly chaotic since the direction of its parent company doesn't make a hint of sense.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I truly doubt that Rian trilogy will ever come to pass. It could be reinvented into a cartoon series or something much smaller if at all. But I can't see a theatrical tent-pole trilogy from the director of TLJ.

 

[Adolfo]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

I truly doubt that Rian trilogy will ever come to pass. It could be reinvented into a cartoon series or something much smaller if at all. But I can't see a theatrical tent-pole trilogy from the director of TLJ.

God I hope youre right

 

[Popnfresh98]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Hasbro CEO Brian Goldner making excuses for TLJ merchandise’ low sales:

Chief Executive Officer Brian Goldner says the company made an error by releasing toys too far ahead of the franchise’s most recent movie, “The Last Jedi.” That contributed to disappointing sales of the products during the holidays — a season that was already hurt by the bankruptcy of Toys “R” Us Inc.

“The fact that we began to merchandise the film in September and the film came out in December was just too long a period of time to sustain retail interest,” Goldner, 54, said in an interview. It didn’t help that lots of other toys were hitting around the same time, he said, “with an array of entertainment initiatives coming to market”

As if they haven’t been doing this every single year and don’t know how it works by now. As if ‘other toys hitting around the same time’ ever stopped something that people really wanted. I’m sure they must have sold more before people saw the movie and didn’t want the toys anymore in fact.

They’re in full damage control mode on every aspect of this, from the film itself to the toys.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Maybe Disney will do Broom Boys.... or rather Star Kids or Force Kids or something for their channel. A bunch of Force-endowed tykes flying around the galaxy fighting and doing stuff kids like. Mostly boring talk inside cockpits like on Rebels now.

 

[Popnfresh98]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Maybe Disney will do Broom Boys.... or rather Star Kids of something for their channel. A bunch of Force-endowed tykes flying around the galaxy fighting and doing stuff kids like. Mostly boring talk inside cockpits like on Rebels now.

That is such a spot on way to put it

 

[Adolfo]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Hasbro CEO Brian Goldner making excuses for TLJ merchandise’ low sales:



As if they haven’t been doing this every single year and don’t know how it works by now. As if ‘other toys hitting around the same time’ ever stopped something that people really wanted. I’m sure they must have sold more before people saw the movie in fact.

They’re in full damage control mode on every aspect of this, from the film itself to the toys.

What a freakin excuse....hope damage control cost them millions...and millions and firings...have PCS do the toys...Ep8 toys on sale when Ep 9 comes out...sales success!

 

[Adolfo]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Maybe Disney will do Broom Boys.... or rather Star Kids or Force Kids or something for their channel. A bunch of Force-endowed tykes flying around the galaxy fighting and doing stuff kids like. Mostly boring talk inside cockpits like on Rebels now.

That is such a spot on way to put it

that will be shown on Freeform channel...LOL

 

[Bravomite]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Welcome back to the discussion Bravomite!

Haha well like Old Ben I will be with Star Wars discussions always...

While I think that Rian could have made a better choice with Luke's reaction I don't mind the comedic shoulder toss since it does set the stage for the antics to follow (milk scene, slapping Rey's hand, etc.) I liked his mischievous detachment in all of those scenes (save arguably the lightsaber toss.)

Oh boy I forgot how much I loved those later scenes ... I take back my earlier comment, serious tone would have been weird haha.

I disagree that the toss was for the audience only. It was also a good indicator to Rey right off the bat of what she was going to be in for.

Dropping the lightsaber might have had the same impact? Perhaps even forcefully rejecting?

Hopefully you've let the bomb thing go since your initial viewing. I mean on the one hand it's Star Wars and they've never followed the rules of physics very well. Why on earth would Han have NOT expected to get immediately sucked out into space (along with Leia, Chewie, 3PO, etc.) when opening the Falcon's lower ramp in what he assumed was an ordinary asteroid cave? Because Star Wars.

But the Resistance bombs actually do have a plausible explanation. Like pretty much all ships in SW the Resistance bombers have their own internal artificial gravity (which is why the bombadiers walked around inside without any fuss.) Since the bombs were caged inside the ships they would have been subjected to that same artificial gravity pulling them downward. Once the bombadiers released the bombs they'd "fall" (just like Paige did when she lost her balance on the ladder) and then all that needed to happen was to make sure that the bottom doors were open so that the bombs would continue out into space. With no friction once they exited the ship they'd just proceed in the same direction thus giving the impression that they were "dropping" out of the bomber even though there's technically no up or down in space.

Wait did Poe say that ??? I must have been asleep to miss all the exposition in the movie haha! Just joshing you, I know it's from the visual dictionary and yes I can definitely forgive that one because I've let the prequels get away with a whole bunch of stuff / be enhanced by additional source material filling in the gaps.

No we didn't see him transition from precocious child to evil incarnate but technically TLJ did show us the exact moment that he fully crossed over into darkness.

Didn't that happen in TFA?

Fair enough but I'm sure you'll get your fair share of comics, novels, and video games that fill all those gaps (assuming they aren't available already.)

Nice chatting with you again bud. I like it when PT boys like you and Prime Clone chime in.

Haha that's true in the PT days I had a lot of time to read / watch all the additional source material / play the games and it definitely made the films better. I won't be delving into the ST stuff though as it hasn't grabbed me in the same way and time ... I don't have that anymore.

Good chatting with you Khev (even if you are one of the ST loving crazies )

 

[loki2371]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

We all know Johnson and Disney has been doing extensive damage control for the TLJ, and pathetically at that, since shortly after its release and all the backlash started. But has Kennedy herself even made a peep?? She did maybe, what 1 or 2 interview panels with other people, but has she come out on her own and made any official statements??

I think Disney has quietly chained her in a dungeon somewhere. Bob Iger is making her pay for her war crimes against the fans and Disney's bottom line.

 

[Adolfo]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Star Wars TLJ paid homage to...A mouse, Kennedy and Johnson...not Star Wars

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

But has Kennedy herself even made a peep?? She did maybe, what 1 or 2 interview panels with other people, but has she come out on her own and made any official statements??

Yes -- she gave the party responsible for TLJ an entire trilogy. That says a lot.

 

[Captain Clown]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Can I direct a Stah Wahs movie too?

 

[Ce Ilhuicamina]

Re: Star Wars: Episode IX - December 20, 2019

Firing her ass would be a way cheaper and effective damage control measure.

I like how the same company who turned Iron Man and Black Panther into cultural icons managed to turn Star Wars into a bad joke.